Let's All Laugh At... Lets all laugh at Man City

[Trotter]

I thought that - then I heard today the Carabao/League Cup is in the Football League's domain, nothing to do with the PL.

Sadly. But then again Arsenal would have got 2 of those.

And even then Man Utd would say well Man City beat us in the Semi, we have as much right as Tottenham, then Arsenal would say well Man City beat us in the Quarters so we have a right.
Zero chance cups get awarded, will either stay with Man City, or be no winners, if they are found guilty

 

[tommo84]

Yeah, agree with this.

Over at Blue Moon many are arguing that there's nothing wrong with an owner of a business putting money into their business. So, it also doesn't matter how much the owner puts in to make the business succeed. They also view FFP as a tool introduced to keep other players out from the 'Cartel'.

There's nothing wrong with an owner pumping money into their business, but football is not a regular business, it's about competitive sport. If an entity can pour unlimited funds into a club, it removes competition, and therefore the sport is no longer competitive. This is what has become of the Premier League.

Football was/should be about local clubs having local lads trying to be the best team in whatever tournament they compete in. With unlimited funds, the whole thing becomes artificial and certain clubs can hoover up the top talent from all over the globe and assemble super squads. This defeats what the game is about.

To allow football to function like other businesses, the best solution would be what you've proposed. Have a super league of super wealthy owners buying the super level players and pumping super amounts of money into it. It would have to be quarantined away from local football entirely. The clubs involved should not be allowed to compete in local leagues of nations (e.g. EPL, La Liga, etc.), international leagues (e.g. Champions League, Copa Libertadores, etc.) and they should not have names linked to local regions, e.g. Tottenham Hotspur. These clubs would only play against each other and would have no regional footprint anywhere. They would have training pitches, etc. in a region, but the club would not represent that region.

Something along those lines would be workable. A playground for the wealthy.

I think you’ve pretty much just described the 90s cartoon series, ‘The Hurricanes’.

They touched on City here and there on Talksport earlier, with Simon Jordan on good form. City fans really are incredibly myopic on this issue - they genuinely think their club is the victim in this somehow.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

It is not a phantom company, it is Al Jazira that allegedly paid the extra monies for the “consultancy work”, and it won’t be for them to prove the work they were being paid for was not consultancy work, would be other way round HMRC would have to prove they were being paid for other stuff than their contracts said and prove that work should be taxable in UK, which will be nigh on impossible as the paper trail supports it.
There is going to be a lot of what we believe versus what can be proved in this case, as getting information of the UAE will just not happen, UEFA sided with what we believe and found them guilty, CAS overturned that saying UEFA don’t have the proof.

I don't know exactly what's gone on, nor what the evidence is, so this may all be academic.

But the very first thing HMRC would do when they open a tax investigation is have the person submit a more detailed and forensic version of their self assessment.

What all the income was, what it was for, and under a more severe penalty for perjury.

The risks for any party lying at this point are considerable, especially if there are lots of people involved, because:

1) you never know what information may come out in the future. Why would you want the stress of that hanging over your head, when you could just pay a fine and some back dated tax and be done with it?

2) because of that, someone else involved in the same racket then decides to come clean pay their fine and get it over with rather than risk a criminal conviction. That evidence may also implicate others or further a wider investigation.

 

[Dov67]

City fans can bleat all they like, but if they’re found guilty I hope they throw the book at them!

If you’re deliberately flouting rules specifically set up to allow fairer competition, then it’s cheating plain and simple.

I don’t see it’s much different to Lance Armstrong, just involving cash doping to gain an advantage, as opposed to blood doping!

It’s worse than Lance because when he doped you could argue that every rider in the peloton with the exception of Christophe Bassons in 1999 was doped up to their eyeballs too - so he cheated better than his rivals.

That makes what Abu Dhabi City have done much worse because they have gained an advantage through financial doping and deliberate false accounting that were not open to others in the PL.

I hope they are expelled from the league and the EFL refuse to take them……….then lets take a good hard look at Chelsea

 

[montylynch]

Man City v Dagenham and Redbridge, with a 60,000 crowd would be epic !!

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

Forgive me for asking but there are a lot of pages to this thread already, but has anyone worked out how much their potential cheating has cost Spurs.

I think we finished fith in the league four times when we would have qualified for the Champions League, and then there was the drop into the third tier Uefa competition when we would have got Europa league, added to that a potential lost place most seasons in the Premier and the cost to us probably runs into the tens of millions

Try hundreds of million maybe??

 

[newbie]

But they do have money (an excessive amount of players) in the bank. The next part of this is to sell half of them off - Tammy Abraham style.

easier said than done, a lot of there players are loosing value and will
Loose value over inflated transfers, wages and who is there to buy them?

covid has made selling hard!

it’s going to be hard to increase the value on there players if they can’t play, there squad is huge, a lot of players on the bench!

maybr levy needs more credit, city clearly bunged players and agents, Chelsea paid over the odds of you take them out of the picture most clubs don’t spend that much unless they get a windfall from an oil club

 

[Trix]

Man City v Dagenham and Redbridge, with a 60,000 crowd would be epic !!

Well considering they average 52k in the Prem I doubt it would be as epic as you think.

 

[Snarfalicious]

It’s always the ones you least expect, you know?

 

[brasil_spur]

They will recover but not to the point they are now. If they are relegated they won't have PL money, tv rights, CL revenue for an entire season. That'll massively affect their ability to spend in future years.

That and the fact that they won't be able to keep continuing to cook the books with their income streams. Their spending model even with all of that only worked because it was breaking a load of regulations.

 

[brasil_spur]

No I don't, FFP is based over a 3 year period and Mike Ashley spent nothing. Why are you only looking at what they've spent since they come in, and not what the club has spent over that time?

Exactly, they've spend about £35m less than we have over the last 3 years and that's also based on Porro and Kulusevski not being included in this seasons transfer figures.

 

[brasil_spur]

They are literally stretching to their limits.

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LOL at Everton.

And why am I not surprised about who's bottom of that list

 

[brasil_spur]

Cheeky approach for Pep to join in the summer? ?

And Haaland as Kane's future successor (he's still a bit raw for a first team spot ).

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

JOH said "Agbonlahor isn't the brightest tool in the box" live on air yesterday morning, which tells you everything you need to know about JOH and Agbonlahor.

To be fair JOH is one card shy of a picnic himself

 

[ernie78]

Man City v Dagenham and Redbridge, with a 60,000 crowd would be epic !!

When do city get 60k crowds??? You can pay on the day at the emptihad

 

[GMI]

LOL at Everton.

And why am I not surprised about who's bottom of that list

FFS Levy! ?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

LOL at Everton.

And why am I not surprised about who's bottom of that list

Club response to THST questions about future investment of the club, reckon we will still be bottom of that table for years to come

Financial sustainability has been fundamental to how we have run this Club. Our aim has always been to combine the financial stability of the Club with remaining competitive on the pitch.

The ENIC investment was timely and critical as we emerged from the pandemic and sought to stay competitive on the pitch. We are ever-conscious of the new capital injected into other clubs which has seen player transfer spending increase significantly.

 

[spursfan77]

Club response to THST questions about future investment of the club, reckon we will still be bottom of that table for years to come

Financial sustainability has been fundamental to how we have run this Club. Our aim has always been to combine the financial stability of the Club with remaining competitive on the pitch.

The ENIC investment was timely and critical as we emerged from the pandemic and sought to stay competitive on the pitch. We are ever-conscious of the new capital injected into other clubs which has seen player transfer spending increase significantly.

That last sentence tells me we are indeed looking for outside investment.

If all else fails it will rein them in in the future. They don’t make more than Man Utd and Real Madrid for example yet are posting higher profits than them. How that isn’t being investigated too I’ll never know. Maybe it will be wrapped into this by someone else in due course.

 

[Ickle73]

The Blue Moon forum called Talksport

 

[brasil_spur]

The Blue Moon forum called Talksport

Could watch these videos all day long. Talksport finally giving me something interesting to watch, the world has gone mad