Luka Vusković

[Trix]

Helps when we have a manager that will give youth a chance. Last one we had before now was Poch....and that was in his earlier seasons I think.

Conte was happy to play Kulusevski and Skipp. I think fans need to remember that when they are criticising managers for not bringing players through, how good was the production line at that time. Our academy has been lacklustre to say the least over the last few years because it had been badly neglected, and that is not the job of the first team coach to address that. There is an argument to be made that Sarr could have been given more minutes, but that's about it really imo.

 

[Tony-Bish]

If we sign five young players for this kind of money, we're then at the same kind of sum that we paid for each of Ndombele, Richarlison & Romero. If 20% of the young signings comes good, that's equivalent to us needing 100% of our big money signings to live up to their transfer fee (but our success rate with big-money signings is well below 50%).

and if the big money signing doesn't work out, we lose money or find it difficult to sell. If one of the kids doesn't make it, we'll probably break even at least or make money still and should be easier to shift as they'll be on lower wages

 

[Coolpudge]

If we’re signing players we shouldn’t be doing it for profit! I don’t want to sell players for profits, ideally they should be players improving our starting 11 eventually and then we keep them until they are no longer good enough and then sold!

That is true but it is important to anticipate the decline in our players. If you look at someone like Dele or Dier. There was a time when we could have got a lot of money for them but held on to them for to long and got nothing for Dele and will get nothing for Dier. It is easier to sell young players who still have perceived potential then established players who are on their decline.

 

[Japhet]

That is true but it is important to anticipate the decline in our players. If you look at someone like Dele or Dier. There was a time when we could have got a lot of money for them but held on to them for to long and got nothing for Dele and will get nothing for Dier. It is easier to sell young players who still have perceived potential then established players who are on their decline.

Trouble is, the pitchforks would be out if we sold players in their prime. It would be like taking a big profit now on Maddison or Bissouma and nobody would be happy with that. Occasionally a club will absolutely nail it like Liverpool did with Coutinho but those instances are few and far between.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

That is true but it is important to anticipate the decline in our players. If you look at someone like Dele or Dier. There was a time when we could have got a lot of money for them but held on to them for to long and got nothing for Dele and will get nothing for Dier. It is easier to sell young players who still have perceived potential then established players who are on their decline.

Didn't we spend only circa £10m on the two of them combined though? Not much to lose out on even if they leave for free.

 

[Coolpudge]

Didn't we spend only circa £10m on the two of them combined though? Not much to lose out on even if they leave for free.

That’s true but if they had sold them before the drop off there would have been a lot of money to reinvest in the team and the team might not have declined as much as it did.

 

[offside_ruel_fox]

So has this guy signed yet?

 

[Gbspurs]

Conte was happy to play Kulusevski and Skipp. I think fans need to remember that when they are criticising managers for not bringing players through, how good was the production line at that time. Our academy has been lacklustre to say the least over the last few years because it had been badly neglected, and that is not the job of the first team coach to address that. There is an argument to be made that Sarr could have been given more minutes, but that's about it really imo.

To be fair Conte brought Sarr on against Southampton which started the rot. Conte's use of youth wasn't the issue, bet he would have loved Udogie too.

 

[Nanky_1988]

He was signed as a young squad player and did improve the squad. No CB signed while Toby & Jan were in their prime was going to improve our starting XI...we already had two world-class CBs. The fact that Foyth left for a 50% profit evidences that he was far from the flop that people like to make out.

But once Jan and Toby left he was nowhere near their level! You need to be signing players who have the potential to be as good as Your starters if not better! Maybe they thought he did but we shouldn’t be buying players for sell on value is what im trying to say!

 

[SpursSince1980]

Conte was happy to play Kulusevski and Skipp. I think fans need to remember that when they are criticising managers for not bringing players through, how good was the production line at that time. Our academy has been lacklustre to say the least over the last few years because it had been badly neglected, and that is not the job of the first team coach to address that. There is an argument to be made that Sarr could have been given more minutes, but that's about it really imo.

True dat. When Poch first came in, we actually had a fairly robust line of talent emerging from the youth ranks (just prior to him joining and during his first two years): Townsend, Mason, Bentaleb, KWP, Kane, Winks, Skippy, Tanganga, CCV >>> all spring to mind immediately.

But after that two years, the well ran dry.

Glad to see there is a strong focus on augmenting our youth system from top to bottom. Clearly something positive is happening, as evidenced by the ongoing success of the U21s this season, the U19s, and U15s. All seem to be in great nick.

Long may this investment strategy continue. Long may the likes of Ivan Drago's son keep getting spotted and swooped up. Albeit, we do so with precision and intelligence. Unlike Chelsea and City, who are basically hoovers who make it rain on the best of the best (and their families). We should approach this with a scalpel. I'd imagine that the kids who really are focused on being successful will get the red carpet treatment. Won't just be one of the 875 kids swept up over the summer. Moreover, this approach theoretically weeds out the kids who are money-focused, and have potential character issues. The more prudent we are, the more likely we make smart decisions.

 

[Majick]

Provided Vuskovic signs in the summer window in 2025, which appears to be the case, and stays with Spurs through to his 21st birthday in February 2028 (where does the time go?) he'd qualify as homegrown for Spurs in Europe, and in the PL - the Athletic confirms this as the PL's rules say it needs to be 3 years by their 18th birthday... but provided a player is born in the first half of the year and joins in the summer window then that's apparently acceptable.

(I recognise that the details of stuff like this are likely only interesting to those, like me, who spend too much time on FM and spend too much of that time scouting for South American and Eastern European prospects...)

 

[Carson35]

It's good that we sign young players with great potential. But let's not just stop here. We gotta keep doing it. There are a few guys that I want, like Federico Redondo, Antonio Nusa, Gaku Nawata...

 

[fecka]

It's good that we sign young players with great potential. But let's not just stop here. We gotta keep doing it. There are a few guys that I want, like Federico Redondo, Antonio Nusa, Gaku Nawata...

Redondo definitely looks like he has "it", similar to Julian Alvarez. Probably wouldn't slot in right away but looks like he has massive potential.

 

[Thenewcat]

To be fair Conte brought Sarr on against Southampton which started the rot. Conte's use of youth wasn't the issue, bet he would have loved Udogie too.

The second sentence may or may not be true, but to fair to Sarr one of the worst penalty decisions you’ll ever see started the rot rather than him

 

[Hazelton]

Scenes when we finally sign him at 18 and have to loan him to the Lakers because he's 7'1".

 

[Neon_Knight_]

That’s true but if they had sold them before the drop off there would have been a lot of money to reinvest in the team and the team might not have declined as much as it did.

And if we had instead signed players at their peak rather than at (this is where this convo started), we would have paid circa £100m for Dele & circa £40m for Dier, then have sold them for a tiny fraction of that once they declined.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

That’s true but if they had sold them before the drop off there would have been a lot of money to reinvest in the team and the team might not have declined as much as it did.

Our recruitment / retention policy took a clear shift away from us being a "selling club" to retaining all key players through their peak years. Unlike our rivals, we failed at complimenting that with the right key signings. We were also less able to throw big money at new signings once a key player is over the hill.

I'm very much in favour of signing young players in the hope that some (not all) of them progress - particularly as we seem to have a manager who will be willing to give them a chance if they deserve it. Udogie & Sarr are doing well enough that we could take the hit if neither of Veliz or Vuskovic comes good (but hopefully they both will).

I had no issue with us signing Johnson, but I can't help wondering whether the same money would have been better spent on 3-4 younger players...or someone older and more proven as a more immediate replacement for Kane (while Veliz is given time to settle & develop).
Porro & VDV each cost a similar amount to Johnson, but even if they don't end up as perfect players for our starting XI, that's what they were signed to be in the first instance, so the spend is justified and their relatively young ages are a bonus.
Vuskovic makes perfect sense, as we've already signed Romero & VDV for the starting CB spots. I know some people had hoped we'd sign VDV as back-up and Tapsoba on top, but that simply wasn't realistic for a club that's not in Europe or expected to challenge for a league title.

 

[synththfc]

"To see that project was crucial for Luka Vuskovic. He told Hajduk not to negotiate with any other club, he only wanted to go to #Tottenham"

"From what I’m hearing it [Medicals] will take place next week very soon, Vuskovic will complete medical tests as a new Tottenham player"

"It won’t be a small fee, it will be an important fee for a 16-year-old boy, it won’t be £1m or £2m it will be way more than this"

@FabrizioRomano

 

[Rob]

How does this work? Can we actually sign him now or do we have to wait? Do we sign a contract with a start date of 2025?

 

[$hoguN]

How does this work? Can we actually sign him now or do we have to wait? Do we sign a contract with a start date of 2025?

I guess he will sign a pre contract unless for some strange reason his parents were presented with an opportunity not related to his transfer at all to move their family to the UK. No sure how that could be manipulated at all