Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[Gb160]

I think he needs to instil discipline. You don't get anywhere with hot heads in your team. If they don't meet the standard then ship them out. Thats three games Romero is out for. That's screwed us for 9 points. He should not have played Udogie. Looked like he was struggling and the fouls were his way of coping with the physicality. We have so many posts talking about how plucky we were. We had our noses rubbed in it lads. We were fucked over in our own manor. That is unforgiveable. There was nothing positive to take away from this game. The one game where you would not want that to happen and allow those blue ****s to have bragging rights. I am still pissed off.

No-one should be out celebrating, but that is one really weird take.

 

[spurs mental]

Not sure itll show how good Ange is. Hes been left massively short at CB which we knew.

I believe it was Trix who said Kelly was ours if we made the reasonable asking price but we chose not to and now look at us. We sold Sanchez too who has the pace for this high line.

Spot on. And Sanchez had actually looked OK when he had played under Ange too, in pre season and v Brentford opening weekend.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I get people saying it was brave to play a high line with nine men, but it still played out exactly like you would expect it to.

You play that line when you're down to 9 men you will ship a lot of goals.

And we did.

When Liverpool were down to ten against Newcastle, they didn't play a high line. They still got a win.

When they were down to 9 against us, they didn't play a high line and were unlucky not to get something from the game.

There is a thin line between bravery and naivety.

 

[RuskyM]

This man

I know im being a bit hyperbolic but he’s not just changing how I feel about Spurs, but life in general. Stick to who we are, there will be bumps in the road, mate, but stick true and the future will be bright. What a man

Nah I fully relate to this. Footballers don’t have to be role models (no one does), but he is the kind of guy I wanna be. Confident but never arrogant, fun but not foolish; and beneath it all just a decent man. If more of the world were like him it’d be a better place.

 

[RuskyM]

I get people saying it was brave to play a high line with nine men, but it still played out exactly like you would expect it to.

You play that line when you're down to 9 men you will ship a lot of goals.

And we did.

When Liverpool were down to ten against Newcastle, they didn't play a high line. They still got a win.

When they were down to 9 against us, they didn't play a high line and were unlucky not to get something from the game.

There is a thin line between bravery and naivety.

How many teams have won games with 9 men vs 11?

 

[Cavehillspur]

How many teams have won games with 9 men vs 11?

Plus a total of 21 minutes additional time (12 of those with 10 men).

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

How many teams have won games with 9 men vs 11?

The better question would be how many teams have drawn with 9 men?

Liverpool were an own goal on the dying seconds away from salvaging a point against a much better team than we just played.

 

[14/04/91]

I think the tactics last night were extremely intelligent and far-sighted.

It would have been the easiest thing in the world at 1-1 to have dropped deep trying to hang on. It’s what every single other manager in the PL would have done.

But In his pomp, Bill Nick would have done the equivalent of what Ange did. Rather lose by playing brave football than grind out a draw by sacrificing the one thing that in the end is going to distinguish us from everyone else.

Being brave includes accepting that sometimes we’ll lose but if we don’t try to win at all times then how are we different from all the rest?

As the man said, I would rather lose trying to win than be bored by trying to grind out a draw to a team we know in our hearts we can beat.

Fuck teams like Chelsea. There’s not a single thing I admire about them, and I want us to be better than them in every way, and Ange is the first manager in a very long time who is trying to do it by sticking to the sort of football that gives us a realistic chance of not just competing but beating anyone, providing we stick to it and don’t compromise.

And had Dier held his run by half a yard or Son caught his shot properly, we’d have likely got a 2-2 draw.
We were well in the game and sitting deep would likely have seen us concede plus been more difficult to create chances.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

And had Dier held his run by half a yard or Son caught his shot properly, we’d have likely got a 2-2 draw.
We were well in the game and sitting deep would likely have seen us concede plus been more difficult to create chances.

If you start going down that road then you have to apply the same logic to the plethora of chances Chelsea missed.

If both sides had taken all their chances the score would have been 5-10.

 

[Shanks]

I get people saying it was brave to play a high line with nine men, but it still played out exactly like you would expect it to.

You play that line when you're down to 9 men you will ship a lot of goals.

And we did.

When Liverpool were down to ten against Newcastle, they didn't play a high line. They still got a win.

When they were down to 9 against us, they didn't play a high line and were unlucky not to get something from the game.

There is a thin line between bravery and naivety.

Yes, I don’t necessarily agree though, invite the attacking team on (like Liverpool did), or actually try and go win the game …

Both son and bents came very close, Son scores, they don’t get their 3rd.

personally liked the fact we still went for it, fine margarine though, but I do know if we packed the box out, eventually Chelsea would have scored, so I’m on the side of cracking on

 

[Gassin's finest]

Ehhh... it's the story of Tottenham, mate. Ange just had his first taste of it.

 

[wrd]

I understand people are lamenting the result and perhaps if we played a different way then we get a point. However I think what Ange has done is seen the bigger picture and he's used the opportunity to imbue a spirit and a mentality within the players, the fans and the club of who we are and to show that level of bravery in the circumstances is going to do wonders for the level of fearlessness our players have going forward I hope.

It reminds me of the early origins of the ancient greek spirit with the story that inspired 300 because it's based on a true story where I think they left with only 300 soldiers but they gained a few thousands but they ended up holding off the persian army for a week who had several hundred thousand. It was the spirit shown that cultivated a courage within the greeks going forward that inspired the generations thereafter.

I'm gonna get carried away and say I think this is a crucial moment in the history of spurs, I think the Roy Keane that spurs described may have finally been replaced last night.

 

[Col_M]

I get people saying it was brave to play a high line with nine men, but it still played out exactly like you would expect it to.

You play that line when you're down to 9 men you will ship a lot of goals.

And we did.

When Liverpool were down to ten against Newcastle, they didn't play a high line. They still got a win.

When they were down to 9 against us, they didn't play a high line and were unlucky not to get something from the game.

There is a thin line between bravery and naivety.

They were playing to keep the points. We were playing for a win.

 

[philll]

It's what you get when you sign up for Ange, warts and all. He's said he couldn't set up a defensive side if he tried so all he'll do is keep attacking. We'll be made to look like fools from time to time but we very nearly scored multiple goals with 9 men on the pitch.

 

[wadewill]

Difference between us and Liverpool when they had 9 was that we actually tried to win.

The only thing that does concern me if that ever happens again, which it absolutely shouldnt, is that if thats against Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Brighton, then we probably ship 5/6 in that second half.

 

[Dov67]

That sort of comes back to Ange’s point though. Do you react in the way that you think best gets you a future result. A hidden agenda to get the outcome you want rather than a principled stand?

Or maybe the refs think, “this guy and his team have been on our side, I like them” and we get the benefit.

You’d hope the officials see beyond all the bollox though and just call the decisions as they genuinely see them.

that's the thing though - I have very little faith in their competence, courage or integrity.

 

[Japhet]

I get people saying it was brave to play a high line with nine men, but it still played out exactly like you would expect it to.

You play that line when you're down to 9 men you will ship a lot of goals.

And we did.

When Liverpool were down to ten against Newcastle, they didn't play a high line. They still got a win.

When they were down to 9 against us, they didn't play a high line and were unlucky not to get something from the game.

There is a thin line between bravery and naivety.

We also created genuine goal scoring opportunities with 9. This is who Ange is.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

The better question would be how many teams have drawn with 9 men?

Liverpool were an own goal on the dying seconds away from salvaging a point against a much better team than we just played.

But they didn't.

On the flipside: We were a marginal strand of hair from equalising in the 92nd playing this way.

Much easier to judge in hindsight, isn't it.

 

[mil1lion]

How accurate is var anyways? For the Son disallowed goal, they looked at it from one angle first, which looked like it was onside, before switching to an alternate view camera, which then looked offside. Where they just trying to vindicate the linesman’s decision? Are the cameras position foolproof? Wouldn’t the different angles/positioning of the cam introduce inconsistencies? There has to be a margin of error built in at least? Can’t be absolute if the cams aren’t perfectly positioned at all times, in line with the changing plays?

I like the system in the Champions League with the 3d image they show. It looks so much clearer than what we see in the Premier League.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

The only worry I have is, if our centre backs can cope with the high line now.

Hopefully having 11 men will help because the fixtures/attackers, are only getting tougher