Match day protest to target Tottenham fans over new stadium plans
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Of those 3,000-odd homes scheduled for demolition, how many of those demolitions are a direct result of the stadium plans? Probably less than 1% if that is my guess.
The protestors are playing fast and loose with the truth. Yes, there is a acute housing shortage in London and its only getting worse as we fail to build enough to replace old and dilapidated housing stock. But to try to blame the stadium scheme for this turns reality on its head.
They like to pose as representatives of 'the people' but really they are ant-growth and anti-development of any kind and just want to keep 'the people' poor and miserable....
The protestors are playing fast and loose with the truth. Yes, there is a acute housing shortage in London and its only getting worse as we fail to build enough to replace old and dilapidated housing stock. But to try to blame the stadium scheme for this turns reality on its head.
They like to pose as representatives of 'the people' but really they are ant-growth and anti-development of any kind and just want to keep 'the people' poor and miserable....
onthetwo
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assuming theres some commitment to affordable housing within the plans, (please enlighten me) the dilema for the locals would seem to be do they either want to continue living in an urban shit-hole or would they appreciate some regeneration. Im not a local but if i were, i cant think of a single reason why I wouldnt appreciate the latter.
I lived there from birth to about 16yrs of age and, although some improvements have been made in the years since I have left, it is still a poor borough with a lot of problems. Spurs and the new ground are a catalyst for much-needed change within the area as a whole.
I'm not au fait in terms of the wider regeneration, but if there are 3000 homes being demolished, I can't imagine that a large percentage will be directly associated with the building of the stadium.
Also, we have to bear in mind that if Spurs were to leave the borough completely then the negative effect of that (in terms of matchday income coming into the area, employment, etc) would be great.
On the other hand, if 3000 is an accurate figure, that is a huge number of properties to lose. What is the plan for replacement, if any exist?
I'm not au fait in terms of the wider regeneration, but if there are 3000 homes being demolished, I can't imagine that a large percentage will be directly associated with the building of the stadium.
Also, we have to bear in mind that if Spurs were to leave the borough completely then the negative effect of that (in terms of matchday income coming into the area, employment, etc) would be great.
On the other hand, if 3000 is an accurate figure, that is a huge number of properties to lose. What is the plan for replacement, if any exist?
shelfmonkey
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What planet are these people on? These are probably the same people who lock themselves inside their homes as soon as it gets dark, mind you I used hang around Tottenham at all times of the night, and worked there for years, never had a problem, but still, the whole area needs to be dragged into the 21st century!!
If these protesters start bothering the wrong fans I can see a few right hooks being thrown.
If these protesters start bothering the wrong fans I can see a few right hooks being thrown.
Which would be really silly. And not of benefit to the club at all. Hopefully this doesn't happen.
shelfmonkey
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Maybe that's what the antagonists want, a good 'ol ding dong..........avonspurs
Surely not - people going out their way to provoke others....... that doesn't happen does it?!?!
shelfmonkey
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Surely not - people going out their way to provoke others....... that doesn't happen does it?!?!
It does in the Tott Nam!!
shelfmonkey
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The protesters are those that did the rioting, they don't want new fancy shutters on the shops, too much grief to break in during the next riot!! Anyway, if Tottenham does turn nice, what the fuck are they gonna riot about?!!!
Gaz_Gammon
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Early Christmas shopping for some then.
Hold on a minute here. We all want the new stadium to be built as soon as possible. But don't dismiss the feelings of local residents so easily. This is by no means the first time I have heard about such concerns. Even before I read this, when I was walking to the ground from WHL station the other week I was unable to understand how the proposed grand walkway could possibly be driven through the Love Lane estate without those blocks of flats being demolished. The people in those 400 homes will need to be found decent alternative affordable accommodation. This is the first I've heard about massive demolitions on the other side of the ground but they do seem to cover a remarkable area according to this map.
Take the time also to consider the perspective of the local owners of shops and small businesses, whose statement submitted to Haringey Council on 28 November is included in the following report of the council meeting. And note within the report this councillor's perspective: ‘I still have a niggling concern that we rolled over far too quickly on the section 106 on Spurs’ [in which the Council allowed THFC to abandon its agreed obligations to build affordable housing and to put 16m into the local community]. ‘It just seems like everything is Spurs, Spurs, Spurs, Spurs, Spurs at the expense of everything else.’
This was the account of the Council meeting:
On Thursday 28th November a delegation of traders from North Tottenham High Road West addressed the Council’s cabinet meeting. They presented their 4,000-strong petition in which local people rejected the demolition of the area. The traders condemned the consultation over the future of the area as a ‘sham’ and said they had been lied to by the Council. They also condemned the report of the consultation that had excluded or sidelined most of the objections. They called on the Council to ‘freeze this planning process and sit down to design a new Scenario, one that includes this Business Community and allows it to move forward and grow within the regeneration process, not be excluded from it.’ Their powerful presentation is included below in full…
It should be noted that many Councillors are at last beginning to criticise the Council’s plans. At the meeting, Cllr Meehan called on the Council to condemn Tottenham Hotspur FC for buying up shops and businesses under threat, describing this as ‘making a killing’ and a ‘fire sale’. Cllr Stanton said the process of demolition and redevelopment was recognised throughout London as ‘social cleansing’. Cllr Winskill, the Chair of the Overview & Scrutiny Committee which met on the previous Tuesday, said then that ‘we are talking about a massive socio-economic transformation of the area’ and asked ‘who is the redevelopment of Tottenham for?’. At that same meeting Cllr Bull, the former head of the Scrutiny Cttee, said ‘I still have a niggling concern that we rolled over far too quickly on the section 106 on Spurs’ [in which the Council allowed THFC to abandon its agreed obligations to build affordable housing and to put 16m into the local community]. ‘It just seems like everything is Spurs, Spurs, Spurs, Spurs, Spurs at the expense of everything else.’
The Council leader, Clare Kober, said she recognised that there was ‘an affordable housing crisis’, which was a ‘crucial’ challenge ‘for ordinary working people’. The plans would be looked at again to take into account all that had been said and a new ‘masterplan’ for the area would be drawn up and consulted on in the summer of 2014.
THE TRADERS’ PRESENTATION
” This business community has been part of the fabric of Tottenham in most cases for over 20 years and in some cases for more than fifty. Are we to be thrown out to make way for a Football fans Walkway?
This petition with over 4000 signatures shows overwhelmingly that local people are against this.
These figures should have been added into the recent High Road West Consultation, here today for approval. The result would have been a resounding NO to your present plans. However this was not allowed to happen. When we presented it to Alan Strickland in June he neglected to tell us the petition had to be formally presented and so the figures were never included.
There has been no engagement with local business about the development of this Regeneration plan. We have been lied to and lied to by our own elected representatives.
The key decisions for this master plan were made long before the consultation. Key factors were decided at the beginning of 2012. Thats when our small businesses were sacrificed in order that one very big business could become even richer.
The demolition of our shops and businesses became a non-negotiable in every master plan scenario. Where is the Democracy in that? That is why we began this petitionto give the community a chance to show how they felt about it. An option to comment, which was not given to them in the consultation forms
Have we have come through recession and through riots to have our businesses blighted like this? Are successful businesses that we have worked and developed over many years to be snatched away and given to developers for their profit?
The consultation is a sham. It is not an independent study. Figures are inaccurate and manipulated to achieve the preferred Scenario.
The plans were misleading: marking new buildings for community use when they will in fact be retail outlets which incorporated community facilities.
The 68%, which has been widely quoted as a figure that shows overwhelming support for the demolition plans, is not justified. As a percentage of the total households on the estate it is just 40%. In the wider community of 4000 homes and businesses it is just 3% in agreement. Thats using the figures quoted in the report and of course 70 of the business replies were never included in the figures but were placed in the appendix to the consultation report.
Regeneration is not about providing a football venue or boosting land values to justify an investment. The council should not be acting like a Corporation.
Regeneration needs to create hope for the existing community by building a better neighbourhood.
Regeneration is not about moving the existing community OUT so more up-market people can move in.
In 2011, after the riots, the council ran an I Love Tottenham campaign. Its tag line was Support your Local Traders. It needs to stand by that promise today.
- Recognise the value of the established community and its contribution over many years.
– Recognise and accept the wishes of this community as presented now in this Petition.
– Freeze this planning process and sit down to design a new Scenario, one that includes this Business Community and allows it to move forward and grow within the regeneration process, not be excluded from it. “
Take the time also to consider the perspective of the local owners of shops and small businesses, whose statement submitted to Haringey Council on 28 November is included in the following report of the council meeting. And note within the report this councillor's perspective: ‘I still have a niggling concern that we rolled over far too quickly on the section 106 on Spurs’ [in which the Council allowed THFC to abandon its agreed obligations to build affordable housing and to put 16m into the local community]. ‘It just seems like everything is Spurs, Spurs, Spurs, Spurs, Spurs at the expense of everything else.’
This was the account of the Council meeting:
On Thursday 28th November a delegation of traders from North Tottenham High Road West addressed the Council’s cabinet meeting. They presented their 4,000-strong petition in which local people rejected the demolition of the area. The traders condemned the consultation over the future of the area as a ‘sham’ and said they had been lied to by the Council. They also condemned the report of the consultation that had excluded or sidelined most of the objections. They called on the Council to ‘freeze this planning process and sit down to design a new Scenario, one that includes this Business Community and allows it to move forward and grow within the regeneration process, not be excluded from it.’ Their powerful presentation is included below in full…
It should be noted that many Councillors are at last beginning to criticise the Council’s plans. At the meeting, Cllr Meehan called on the Council to condemn Tottenham Hotspur FC for buying up shops and businesses under threat, describing this as ‘making a killing’ and a ‘fire sale’. Cllr Stanton said the process of demolition and redevelopment was recognised throughout London as ‘social cleansing’. Cllr Winskill, the Chair of the Overview & Scrutiny Committee which met on the previous Tuesday, said then that ‘we are talking about a massive socio-economic transformation of the area’ and asked ‘who is the redevelopment of Tottenham for?’. At that same meeting Cllr Bull, the former head of the Scrutiny Cttee, said ‘I still have a niggling concern that we rolled over far too quickly on the section 106 on Spurs’ [in which the Council allowed THFC to abandon its agreed obligations to build affordable housing and to put 16m into the local community]. ‘It just seems like everything is Spurs, Spurs, Spurs, Spurs, Spurs at the expense of everything else.’ The Council leader, Clare Kober, said she recognised that there was ‘an affordable housing crisis’, which was a ‘crucial’ challenge ‘for ordinary working people’. The plans would be looked at again to take into account all that had been said and a new ‘masterplan’ for the area would be drawn up and consulted on in the summer of 2014.
THE TRADERS’ PRESENTATION
” This business community has been part of the fabric of Tottenham in most cases for over 20 years and in some cases for more than fifty. Are we to be thrown out to make way for a Football fans Walkway?
This petition with over 4000 signatures shows overwhelmingly that local people are against this.
These figures should have been added into the recent High Road West Consultation, here today for approval. The result would have been a resounding NO to your present plans. However this was not allowed to happen. When we presented it to Alan Strickland in June he neglected to tell us the petition had to be formally presented and so the figures were never included.
There has been no engagement with local business about the development of this Regeneration plan. We have been lied to and lied to by our own elected representatives.
The key decisions for this master plan were made long before the consultation. Key factors were decided at the beginning of 2012. Thats when our small businesses were sacrificed in order that one very big business could become even richer.
The demolition of our shops and businesses became a non-negotiable in every master plan scenario. Where is the Democracy in that? That is why we began this petitionto give the community a chance to show how they felt about it. An option to comment, which was not given to them in the consultation forms
Have we have come through recession and through riots to have our businesses blighted like this? Are successful businesses that we have worked and developed over many years to be snatched away and given to developers for their profit?
The consultation is a sham. It is not an independent study. Figures are inaccurate and manipulated to achieve the preferred Scenario.
The plans were misleading: marking new buildings for community use when they will in fact be retail outlets which incorporated community facilities.
The 68%, which has been widely quoted as a figure that shows overwhelming support for the demolition plans, is not justified. As a percentage of the total households on the estate it is just 40%. In the wider community of 4000 homes and businesses it is just 3% in agreement. Thats using the figures quoted in the report and of course 70 of the business replies were never included in the figures but were placed in the appendix to the consultation report.
Regeneration is not about providing a football venue or boosting land values to justify an investment. The council should not be acting like a Corporation.
Regeneration needs to create hope for the existing community by building a better neighbourhood.
Regeneration is not about moving the existing community OUT so more up-market people can move in.
In 2011, after the riots, the council ran an I Love Tottenham campaign. Its tag line was Support your Local Traders. It needs to stand by that promise today.
- Recognise the value of the established community and its contribution over many years.
– Recognise and accept the wishes of this community as presented now in this Petition.
– Freeze this planning process and sit down to design a new Scenario, one that includes this Business Community and allows it to move forward and grow within the regeneration process, not be excluded from it. “
Kendall
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Regeneration usually means a hike in living costs in a given area. Cake and eat it springs to mind.
Lilbaz
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People want change and regeneration. As long as it doesn't effect them.
Some people will be effected. I feel sorry that they might need to move home. But they will not be kicked out on the street.
The majority effected are council renters. I live in a council house and know that I don't own it. If they need to move me they will. As long as they offer me something acceptable and pay the costs of moving etc... I have no problem.
The area badly needs this.
Some people will be effected. I feel sorry that they might need to move home. But they will not be kicked out on the street.
The majority effected are council renters. I live in a council house and know that I don't own it. If they need to move me they will. As long as they offer me something acceptable and pay the costs of moving etc... I have no problem.
The area badly needs this.
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