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Mourinho identifies second signing after Hojbjerg transfer agreed

mawspurs

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Tottenham boss Jose Mourinho will turn his attention to signing Bournemouth striker Callum Wilson after landing Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg. Spurs' transfer kitty was boosted after Mourinho's men secured a top six finish - and Europa League football for next season.

Source: Daily Express
 

davidmatzdorf

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I’m sceptical that our participation in the Europa League will have any significant impact on our transfer finances. It’s like the Champions League with a couple of zeros knocked off. Perhaps journalists aren’t very good at exponential maths.
 

yid-down-under

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I’m sceptical that our participation in the Europa League will have any significant impact on our transfer finances. It’s like the Champions League with a couple of zeros knocked off. Perhaps journalists aren’t very good at exponential maths.

dont we get 10 million if we reach group stage? Certainly not going to uproot trees but would cover the suggested fee for Wilson. I had read somewhere that our prize money for reaching the final last year paid for Tanguy; Although I know it’s not that black and white it that might be the able they’re using for the story
 

yid-down-under

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Happy if we got him as back up but if he wants regular football to lock in his place for the euros he may go else where
 

Laboog

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Happy if we got him as back up but if he wants regular football to lock in his place for the euros he may go else where
I'm sure he will get plenty of playing time with us. Europa League, cups, substitute appearances, playing alongside Kane or filling in when Kane hurts an ankle, which sadly we all know will happen.
 

davidmatzdorf

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dont we get 10 million if we reach group stage? Certainly not going to uproot trees but would cover the suggested fee for Wilson. I had read somewhere that our prize money for reaching the final last year paid for Tanguy; Although I know it’s not that black and white it that might be the able they’re using for the story
I don't know if the prize money "paid for" Ndombele - transfer funding doesn't work like that, it's not a piggy bank - but those two phrases in bold illustrate my point. The CL is worth at least 10 times as much as the EL. The prize money is only a slice of it. The television rights are multiples greater, as are the gate receipts. Exponential, as I said.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Happy if we got him as back up but if he wants regular football to lock in his place for the euros he may go else where
Unless the man is deluded, he knows he would be signing on as a second string to Kane. Assuming we get through the qualifiers, there is a busy EL programme, plus domestic cups.

And Wilson still has his pace, which would make him useful as part of the Son/Lucas/Bergwijn group of players to flank Kane, if mainly as a substitute.
 

soflapaul

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I don't know if the prize money "paid for" Ndombele - transfer funding doesn't work like that, it's not a piggy bank - but those two phrases in bold illustrate my point. The CL is worth at least 10 times as much as the EL. The prize money is only a slice of it. The television rights are multiples greater, as are the gate receipts. Exponential, as I said.

if you are going to correct people on grammar, proper word usage (and rightfully so) you do need to expect that your "math" (Not maths) may be challenged.

I did a quick graph of a team winning every game in Europa vs winning every game in the Champion's league minus the market pool an gate receipts.
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Champion's League is certainly a growing multiple over Europa but but the same growth can be described by a quadratic function as much as it can be an exponential function. Given that it has a max value (winning the CL) and the gap there is still only 4x (on prize money) i submit to you that this is better described as quadratic growth or the very early stages of exponential growth with a fairly low limiting factor

onto the market pool and its impact. I did look up the market pool share for Liverpool and tottenham and found that it amounted only to 13M and 16m respectively. (If the website was correct, we made more than liverpool in market pool share. the market pool data is very interesting. see link below.). Assuming that the Europa share was tiny, let's say 2M, the delta between the two is in the 11m to 15M range which is pretty minor in total winnings and still fits the Y=ax^2 + bx + c with just a larger value for c.

so unless the gate receipts were massive, i suspect that the difference would be more accurately described " The CL is worth at least 4-6 times as much as the EL. The prize money is only a slice of it. The television rights are multiples greater, as are the gate receipts. Quadratic, as I said.


LOL. i spent entirely too much time of my life challenging a post that conceptually is dead on. (come to think of it, that's like your grammar correction posts). the Europa league will cannot have a major impact on our transfer fees. It might pick up a quality senior player, a couple of future high po players or some younger speculative players but I can't imagine that it would be any more than that. What it does reinforce is the need for certain teams to reach the champions league because their cost of doing business is so high, i.e. there is less room for error and missing out on it or Europe if your costs are not contained, has a direct impact on a team's ability to keep it's players.

please note that my sources were limited, it's late at night and the wine and Kenny Gee were in abundance. (it started with some brilliant old school samba) but i could be wrong and would appreciate anyone weighing in with better data. (And David - i hope you know that i do appreciate your posts because in many cases, they do force one to re-consider one's beliefs or add another level of understanding)
 

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please note that my sources were limited, it's late at night and the wine and Kenny Gee were in abundance. (it started with some brilliant old school samba) but i could be wrong and would appreciate anyone weighing in with better data. (And David - i hope you know that i do appreciate your posts because in many cases, they do force one to re-consider one's beliefs or add another level of understanding)
Fuck all the math(s) and shit, this post gets a ‘winner’ for the Covid hardened line above
 

Hakkz

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if you are going to correct people on grammar, proper word usage (and rightfully so) you do need to expect that your "math" (Not maths) may be challenged.

I did a quick graph of a team winning every game in Europa vs winning every game in the Champion's league minus the market pool an gate receipts.
View attachment 71212

Champion's League is certainly a growing multiple over Europa but but the same growth can be described by a quadratic function as much as it can be an exponential function. Given that it has a max value (winning the CL) and the gap there is still only 4x (on prize money) i submit to you that this is better described as quadratic growth or the very early stages of exponential growth with a fairly low limiting factor

onto the market pool and its impact. I did look up the market pool share for Liverpool and tottenham and found that it amounted only to 13M and 16m respectively. (If the website was correct, we made more than liverpool in market pool share. the market pool data is very interesting. see link below.). Assuming that the Europa share was tiny, let's say 2M, the delta between the two is in the 11m to 15M range which is pretty minor in total winnings and still fits the Y=ax^2 + bx + c with just a larger value for c.

so unless the gate receipts were massive, i suspect that the difference would be more accurately described " The CL is worth at least 4-6 times as much as the EL. The prize money is only a slice of it. The television rights are multiples greater, as are the gate receipts. Quadratic, as I said.


LOL. i spent entirely too much time of my life challenging a post that conceptually is dead on. (come to think of it, that's like your grammar correction posts). the Europa league will cannot have a major impact on our transfer fees. It might pick up a quality senior player, a couple of future high po players or some younger speculative players but I can't imagine that it would be any more than that. What it does reinforce is the need for certain teams to reach the champions league because their cost of doing business is so high, i.e. there is less room for error and missing out on it or Europe if your costs are not contained, has a direct impact on a team's ability to keep it's players.

please note that my sources were limited, it's late at night and the wine and Kenny Gee were in abundance. (it started with some brilliant old school samba) but i could be wrong and would appreciate anyone weighing in with better data. (And David - i hope you know that i do appreciate your posts because in many cases, they do force one to re-consider one's beliefs or add another level of understanding)

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spursfan77

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dont we get 10 million if we reach group stage? Certainly not going to uproot trees but would cover the suggested fee for Wilson. I had read somewhere that our prize money for reaching the final last year paid for Tanguy; Although I know it’s not that black and white it that might be the able they’re using for the story


Group stage participation earns teams a base fee of €2,920,000 (£2.5m/$3.5m), while each win in the group pays €570,000 (£515k/$680k) and a draw €190,000 (£170k/$230k). Each group winner then earns €1,000,000 (£900k/$1.2m), while each runner-up receives €500,000 (£450k/$600k).
 

Japhet

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I'd be happy enough with Callum Wilson but doubt the rumoured 10m would get the deal done.
 

Sarsipius

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It's been a decade or two since I read the word quadratic in a sentence.

*Tips fedora*
 

davidmatzdorf

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if you are going to correct people on grammar, proper word usage (and rightfully so) you do need to expect that your "math" (Not maths) may be challenged.

I did a quick graph of a team winning every game in Europa vs winning every game in the Champion's league minus the market pool an gate receipts.
View attachment 71212

Champion's League is certainly a growing multiple over Europa but but the same growth can be described by a quadratic function as much as it can be an exponential function. Given that it has a max value (winning the CL) and the gap there is still only 4x (on prize money) i submit to you that this is better described as quadratic growth or the very early stages of exponential growth with a fairly low limiting factor

onto the market pool and its impact. I did look up the market pool share for Liverpool and tottenham and found that it amounted only to 13M and 16m respectively. (If the website was correct, we made more than liverpool in market pool share. the market pool data is very interesting. see link below.). Assuming that the Europa share was tiny, let's say 2M, the delta between the two is in the 11m to 15M range which is pretty minor in total winnings and still fits the Y=ax^2 + bx + c with just a larger value for c.

so unless the gate receipts were massive, i suspect that the difference would be more accurately described " The CL is worth at least 4-6 times as much as the EL. The prize money is only a slice of it. The television rights are multiples greater, as are the gate receipts. Quadratic, as I said.


LOL. i spent entirely too much time of my life challenging a post that conceptually is dead on. (come to think of it, that's like your grammar correction posts). the Europa league will cannot have a major impact on our transfer fees. It might pick up a quality senior player, a couple of future high po players or some younger speculative players but I can't imagine that it would be any more than that. What it does reinforce is the need for certain teams to reach the champions league because their cost of doing business is so high, i.e. there is less room for error and missing out on it or Europe if your costs are not contained, has a direct impact on a team's ability to keep it's players.

please note that my sources were limited, it's late at night and the wine and Kenny Gee were in abundance. (it started with some brilliant old school samba) but i could be wrong and would appreciate anyone weighing in with better data. (And David - i hope you know that i do appreciate your posts because in many cases, they do force one to re-consider one's beliefs or add another level of understanding)
That's a lot of work to carry out to fact-check my jokey post about journalists and math. And it broadly confirms my main point, which is that the Europa League isn't going to generate enough revenue to affect our transfer dealings in a material way.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Callum Wilson, seriously!?

A very poor mans Jermain Defoe. Son does a better job centrally than Wilson would.

Hope I’m wrong again if this isn’t just paper talk. Pointless just buying someone because he’s been relegated and it’s a 'good' deal
 

Japhet

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That's a lot of work to carry out to fact-check my jokey post about journalists and math. And it broadly confirms my main point, which is that the Europa League isn't going to generate enough revenue to affect our transfer dealings in a material way.

Don't go all 'USA' on us David. The fabric of society may crumble. As you well know, it's mathS because it's an abbreviation of mathematicS. You'll be calling herbs 'erbs' next. Heaven forbid.
 

Rusta81

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if you are going to correct people on grammar, proper word usage (and rightfully so) you do need to expect that your "math" (Not maths) may be challenged.

I did a quick graph of a team winning every game in Europa vs winning every game in the Champion's league minus the market pool an gate receipts.
View attachment 71212

Champion's League is certainly a growing multiple over Europa but but the same growth can be described by a quadratic function as much as it can be an exponential function. Given that it has a max value (winning the CL) and the gap there is still only 4x (on prize money) i submit to you that this is better described as quadratic growth or the very early stages of exponential growth with a fairly low limiting factor

onto the market pool and its impact. I did look up the market pool share for Liverpool and tottenham and found that it amounted only to 13M and 16m respectively. (If the website was correct, we made more than liverpool in market pool share. the market pool data is very interesting. see link below.). Assuming that the Europa share was tiny, let's say 2M, the delta between the two is in the 11m to 15M range which is pretty minor in total winnings and still fits the Y=ax^2 + bx + c with just a larger value for c.

so unless the gate receipts were massive, i suspect that the difference would be more accurately described " The CL is worth at least 4-6 times as much as the EL. The prize money is only a slice of it. The television rights are multiples greater, as are the gate receipts. Quadratic, as I said.


LOL. i spent entirely too much time of my life challenging a post that conceptually is dead on. (come to think of it, that's like your grammar correction posts). the Europa league will cannot have a major impact on our transfer fees. It might pick up a quality senior player, a couple of future high po players or some younger speculative players but I can't imagine that it would be any more than that. What it does reinforce is the need for certain teams to reach the champions league because their cost of doing business is so high, i.e. there is less room for error and missing out on it or Europe if your costs are not contained, has a direct impact on a team's ability to keep it's players.

please note that my sources were limited, it's late at night and the wine and Kenny Gee were in abundance. (it started with some brilliant old school samba) but i could be wrong and would appreciate anyone weighing in with better data. (And David - i hope you know that i do appreciate your posts because in many cases, they do force one to re-consider one's beliefs or add another level of understanding)

Can you put the above into one or two sentences please ? I got headache.
 
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Shadydan

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Callum Wilson, seriously!?

A very poor mans Jermain Defoe. Son does a better job centrally than Wilson would.

Hope I’m wrong again if this isn’t just paper talk. Pointless just buying someone because he’s been relegated and it’s a 'good' deal

Who were you expecting to come sit on the bench behind Kane?
 

soflapaul

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Don't go all 'USA' on us David. The fabric of society may crumble. As you well know, it's mathS because it's an abbreviation of mathematicS. You'll be calling herbs 'erbs' next. Heaven forbid.

@Japhet - Don't bring up the song that ends in Zee rather than in Zed. Regarding Callum, it is far from a guarantee but given the upside, it seems like a good move especially for back up. If Jose has ideas on how to make best use of him when he does play, you would have to expect a tick up in productivity given that he would be surrounded by a better cast.
 
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