Nicolò Zaniolo

[SambaSpurs]

Just seems like all parties want this to happen, so it should do. The added extra is that Paratici and Conte are supposed to love the player, so I can see us pushing that little bit further to get it done.

It makes sense for Roma to sell, given this is their last summer of being able to at top dollar. With no CL football and Serie a prize money I don’t see them competing with us on wages for contract renewal, not even close.

Seems like there are details being ironed out on 1. loan fee amount, 2. option amount, 3. obligation amount, and importantly 4. the appearances threshold it becomes an obligation.

Fitting this puzzle together so everyone is happy will take time. There are two competing agendas: Roma will want to be reasonably sure of funds coming in, so that they can replace him and won’t have him back at their place with one year left next summer. We will want to be sure that we don’t end up stumping up big money for a player that has an injury hit season. That would make it only 1 season in 4 that he has played - imagine stumping up £40-50m for that, we have to protect against that.

 

[Gpnash84]

chill your panties negotiations ongoing .

Good advice in general given the weather

 

[What Lies Beneath]

Just seems like all parties want this to happen, so it should do. The added extra is that Paratici and Conte are supposed to love the player, so I can see us pushing that little bit further to get it done.

It makes sense for Roma to sell, given this is their last summer of being able to at top dollar. With no CL football and Serie a prize money I don’t see them competing with us on wages for contract renewal, not even close.

Seems like there are details being ironed out on 1. loan fee amount, 2. option amount, 3. obligation amount, and importantly 4. the threshold it becomes an obligation.

Fitting this puzzle together so everyone is happy will take time. There are two competing agendas: Roma will want to be reasonably sure of funds coming in, so that they can replace him and won’t have him back at their place with one year left next summer. We will want to be sure that we don’t end up stumping up big money for a player that has an injury hit season. That would make it only 1 season in 4 that he has played - imagine stumping up £40-50m for that, we have to protect against that.

That's a great take ! This will take few days to see a conclusion in a negative or positive way . Transfers are not straightforward but club remain hopeful money talks .

 

[DodgyLasagne]

I'd suggest the way you say it as if it's absolute fact is what people are taking the piss out of

I'm not bullying you for goodness' sake

It was the way it was being portrayed as 100%. You definitely have a point, but I think it's fair to say there are other alternatives, that have some credibility i.e. that he might want to come to us where the probability is more than 0%

But it is absolute fact that his agent is angling for a bigger deal - Zaniolo is still on a prospect-style contract at Roma, he doesn’t make anywhere near the top player’s wages. Moreover, his contract expires in ‘24 and if they don’t renew this year, they risk losing him in ‘23/24 for cheap.

So what does his agent do? Like any good agent, he is trying to get his player paid. Whether it’s at Juve or us (where there is obvious interest) or Roma doesn’t matter.

i think you misunderstood what I was saying - I’m not implying the transfer news is just posturing to get Roma to pay up, but I am saying a lot of this is agent-driven. I mean our ITK have said we had agreed terms with him contractually but Roma had different price demands than what his agent told us. Ergo I feel like the angle of a new deal is very very important here.

 

[DiamondLites]

cmon guys lets be friends

 

[CantSmileWithoutYou]

But it is absolute fact that his agent is angling for a bigger deal - Zaniolo is still on a prospect-style contract at Roma, he doesn’t make anywhere near the top player’s wages. Moreover, his contract expires in ‘24 and if they don’t renew this year, they risk losing him in ‘23/24 for cheap.

So what does his agent do? Like any good agent, he is trying to get his player paid. Whether it’s at Juve or us (where there is obvious interest) or Roma doesn’t matter.

i think you misunderstood what I was saying - I’m not implying the transfer news is just posturing to get Roma to pay up, but I am saying a lot of this is agent-driven. I mean our ITK have said we had agreed terms with him contractually but Roma had different price demands than what his agent told us. Ergo I feel like the angle of a new deal is very very important here.

All agent want to get the best deal for their clients, but maybe more so in this case... Just in case those ACL injuries flair up again, with a short contract, that's not good for any player/agent.

 

[Pimpa]

But it is absolute fact that his agent is angling for a bigger deal - Zaniolo is still on a prospect-style contract at Roma, he doesn’t make anywhere near the top player’s wages. Moreover, his contract expires in ‘24 and if they don’t renew this year, they risk losing him in ‘23/24 for cheap.

So what does his agent do? Like any good agent, he is trying to get his player paid. Whether it’s at Juve or us (where there is obvious interest) or Roma doesn’t matter.

i think you misunderstood what I was saying - I’m not implying the transfer news is just posturing to get Roma to pay up, but I am saying a lot of this is agent-driven. I mean our ITK have said we had agreed terms with him contractually but Roma had different price demands than what his agent told us. Ergo I feel like the angle of a new deal is very very important here.

Near 80k a week is a very good prospect contract especially for serie a

 

[Trix]

I’m being cyber bullied.

Vigorelli (his agent) has been shopping Zaniolo to us and Juve the entire summer. Let’s not act like the contract isn’t a massive factor here. This is Roma’s last summer to get big money for him if he doesn’t renew.

It’s normal transfer window stuff - player hits 2 years before contract expires, club looks to either sell him for a big fee or to renew… is this really that controversial of a take?

No it isn't and it's entirely plausible. What it isn't though, is 100% the case.

 

[tommyt]

Do people honestly think we’ve been negotiating with Roma/Zaniolo for the last few weeks and only the last few days Jose has said he wants to keep him. Come on….

Not at all mate, that would be daft...

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[FloridaSpur]

That's a great take ! This will take few days to see a conclusion in a negative or positive way . Transfers are not straightforward but club remain hopeful money talks .

This will be a definitive signing for us, and one that covers Kulu or even Bentancur (although we have cover anyway).

I cannot believe that if Paratici has taken this so far down the road that it won't come off, even if we eventually get close to what we paid for Richarlison.

Talent like Zaniolo doesn't come around that often, and when they do for a club like ours surrounded by the likes of Chelsea, United, City and Scouse, then Levy should go all in.

I think the Don will get this over the line.

 

[thelak]

I’m being cyber bullied.

Vigorelli (his agent) has been shopping Zaniolo to us and Juve the entire summer. Let’s not act like the contract isn’t a massive factor here. This is Roma’s last summer to get big money for him if he doesn’t renew.

It’s normal transfer window stuff - player hits 2 years before contract expires, club looks to either sell him for a big fee or to renew… is this really that controversial of a take?

Cyber bullying is better than a real life Wedgie to be fair

 

[andrewt]

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[KingNick]

Seems like there are details being ironed out on 1. loan fee amount, 2. option amount, 3. obligation amount, and importantly 4. the appearances threshold it becomes an obligation.

Fitting this puzzle together so everyone is happy will take time. There are two competing agendas: Roma will want to be reasonably sure of funds coming in, so that they can replace him and won’t have him back at their place with one year left next summer. We will want to be sure that we don’t end up stumping up big money for a player that has an injury hit season. That would make it only 1 season in 4 that he has played - imagine stumping up £40-50m for that, we have to protect against that.

This is great summation. Any slight change to one of the four details will have an impact on one or more of the other three. And even where you think you have agreement on 3 out of 4, no agreement on the 4th might mean that the other three have to be re-opened and you almost have to start again.

Here, however, it does seem like we're in the right ball park. It's just narrowing that down does take time. And when there is no real time constraint (other than one side just threatening to walk away), people just take whatever time they feel they need. I bet if tomorrow was deadline day, this deal would be done within hours though.

 

[lobob8]

This just feels more and more like this window's Dybala/Lautaro. Just as Bastoni was this window's Skriniar. Something about these Italian clubs man. Half expecting tentative links to Rafael Leao next year.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

chill your panties negotiations ongoing .

 

[nedley]

Not sure we can finish the window with only Lenglet as our only CB incoming.

Wasn't good enough at the begining of the window and isn't good enough now.

I'm not sure that 'creator' type whether that be another forward or a more deep lying player is thought of a imperative this window.

The window has been really good thus far but nobody can really pass judgement until the window has closed.

Lots of outs yet to execute and for me it's imperative that other CB comes in.

A long term injury to Dier and that will be really disappointing.

Not saying Lenglet isn't good enough.

Rather the situation.

 

[DodgyLasagne]

Not saying Lenglet isn't good enough.

Rather the situation.

Personally I don’t feel at all comfortable with our CB or AM/FW situation.

If either Dier or one of KSK gets hurt then we’re relying on Lucas Moura and Davinson Sanchez as extremely key players in the side. Think the dier backup is especially pressing.

I do agree we need another AM option and even if it isn’t Zaniolo, someone to replace Lo Celso/Bergwijn needs to come in.

 

[spursfast]

Not saying Lenglet isn't good enough.

Rather the situation.

inter are starting to panic, they need to get a player out this summer, Bastoni could happen, got to sit tight and see what FP plans are

 

[worcestersauce]

inter are starting to panic, they need to get a player out this summer, Bastoni could happen, got to sit tight and see what FP plans are

Nice to know spursfast but what makes you think Inter are starting to panic.

 

[DodgyLasagne]

Nice to know spursfast but what makes you think Inter are starting to panic.

Italian clubs don’t panic, they’ll legitimately get relegated, take points penalties, and do Barca-esque high risk lever pulling before selling a player if they don’t want to lol.

for example if we were trying to buy Pellegrini then I’m pretty sure Roma wouldn’t even pick up the phone.