Paul Mitchell & Rob McKenzie

[Mullers]

If memory serves, under Jol and Arnesen we achieved a 7th place finish, the following two seasons under the Jol-Commolli axis we finished 5th twice in a row, having never finished in the top 6 in the premier league before that.

I might have imagined that though.

I'm not denying the benefits of manager and *insert vaguely applicable job title here* being BFFs, just saying that it has far less affect on what we witness on the pitch than people seem to think. Ultimately, a strong manager who has ultimate control and support is most important, and that is seemingly what we have.

But in the end Jol was sacked and he made it very clear that Commoli should take some of the blame for that. It could be argued that we achieved 5th place finishes, inspite of Comolli instead of because of him.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Guys, its Mullers, why are you biting? Surely you don't take anything he says seriously still? If 98 out of 100 people have an opinion, he'll be one of the two, every time, standing out front bashing his chest and screaming "lets be having you" at the top of his voice.....He's a professional devils advocate, he'll take the antsy and unpopular view every time, he'll take the thread completely away from topic whilst doing it......he loves this shit

 

[Gb160]

Guys, its Mullers, why are you biting? Surely you don't take anything he says seriously still? If 98 out of 100 people have an opinion, he'll be one of the two, every time, standing out front bashing his chest and screaming "lets be having you" at the top of his voice.....He's a professional devils advocate, he'll take the antsy and unpopular view every time, he'll take the thread completely away from topic whilst doing it......he loves this shit

I'm convinced he's actually a bot specifically programmed to poke the hornets nest when the forum gets a bit quiet.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I'm convinced he's actually a bot specifically programmed to poke the hornets nest when the forum gets a bit quiet.

That would be me

 

[Mullers]

[QUOgoShadydan, post: 5150637, member: 22727"]Key allies even though he said himself that he had no say in bringing him into the club in the first place?

Sounds like they're speculating.[/QUOTE]
Yeah could be, but Poch is one of the most diplomatic managers we have ever employed, intelligent too. He would know better than to directly criticize the board.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

But in the end Jol was sacked and he made it very clear that Commoli should take some of the blame for that. It could be argued that we achieved 5th place finishes, inspite of Comolli instead of because of him.

I was no fan of Damian and was glad to see the back of him but his record for signings was pretty decent in the end. Some atrocious ones too but no more than most in that role.

Ultimately, the only relationships that will affect things to a tangible amount are: manager with chairman; manager with players; manager with supporters. If those three are all good, we will continue to progress.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Guys, its Mullers, why are you biting? Surely you don't take anything he says seriously still? If 98 out of 100 people have an opinion, he'll be one of the two, every time, standing out front bashing his chest and screaming "lets be having you" at the top of his voice.....He's a professional devils advocate, he'll take the antsy and unpopular view every time, he'll take the thread completely away from topic whilst doing it......he loves this shit

I'm ashamed of myself, I thought I was better than that

 

[Spurs1960]

Well the Guardian are fairly clear . They say that after the regime change at Marseille , Levy tried to renegotiate the payments .

Marseille 'unhappy with the structure of payments proposed by Levy having previously agreed to pay the majority of the fee upfront '

It could be deduced that due to typical Levy prevarication we have lost the incoming player PLUS an important part of our scouting team .

The Guardian also had the headline earlier about Mitchell saying it was a nightmare at Spurs , tho that wasn't in quotes . I'd speculate that Mitchell , having scouted/arranged the player's transfer felt that his reputation/trustworthiness had been compromised by Levy's late prevarications over what in 2016 Prem terms would be paltry sums.

£11m for an unknown while giving away a player for under £6m isn't a very good deal, no wonder Levy got involved and moved the goalposts, bloody good job he did. We are not here to simply pay what other clubs want and dish out wages we can't afford (Batshuayi) that would then affect our whole wages budget, with everyone else wanting parity.

People who can analyse data are ten a penny, people who can negotiate are not. Mitchell still has a lot to learn about the business side of football he is now in.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Guys, its Mullers, why are you biting? Surely you don't take anything he says seriously still? If 98 out of 100 people have an opinion, he'll be one of the two, every time, standing out front bashing his chest and screaming "lets be having you" at the top of his voice.....He's a professional devils advocate, he'll take the antsy and unpopular view every time, he'll take the thread completely away from topic whilst doing it......he loves this shit

Well I dunno . Do we only want to hear the opinions of the herd..like ..always ??

 

[dagraham]

But Levy was doing what any good businessman would do. He was trying to take advantage of Marseille in a time of uncertainty of you believe what has been reported. Anyway it seems like we are still chatting to Marseille so I can't see how the media can claim this to be the reason Mitchell was annoyed.

We can't be sure what the full story is, but if it's accurate then I'm afraid it is not what any "good businessman would do". It's actually pretty shoddy business practice and ethics.

As I said though, it's all speculation at this point.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Well I dunno . Do we only want to hear the opinions of the herd..like ..always ??

Think harder about it, that's got nothing to do with it and its not what i'm saying.

 

[TheSpillage]

Pochettino, the Argentine who has led Spurs back into the Champions League, is understood to be gutted at the possibility of losing one of his key allies at the club.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-head-recruitment-paul-mitchell-8596557

No quotes there .

Not knocking you personally but you hear this sort of phrase a lot in football and it annoys me:

'...losing one of his key allies'.

Like Spurs lodge is full of constantly warring factions all fighting for their own causes. It isn't.

Like Poch's enemies are able to circle closer now that he's lost a 'key ally'. They aren't.

Like he's adrift on the battlefields of Europe circa 1940. He's not.

 

[Mullers]

Guys, its Mullers, why are you biting? Surely you don't take anything he says seriously still? If 98 out of 100 people have an opinion, he'll be one of the two, every time, standing out front bashing his chest and screaming "lets be having you" at the top of his voice.....He's a professional devils advocate, he'll take the antsy and unpopular view every time, he'll take the thread completely away from topic whilst doing it......he loves this shit

But yet you still did a rather lengthy response to me, not for the first time. I mean it's not like I made a second account and named it BSODL for the sole purpose of winding people up or anything .Maybe I could have elaborated more in my first post, but my concern that we might not replace Mitchell properly is not without merit or justification.
Very happy to stand by and back my other arguments in other threads as well regardless of the consensus.

 

[Gilzeanking]

£11m for an unknown while giving away a player for under £6m isn't a very good deal, no wonder Levy got involved and moved the goalposts, bloody good job he did. We are not here to simply pay what other clubs want and dish out wages we can't afford (Batshuayi) that would then affect our whole wages budget, with everyone else wanting parity.

People who can analyse data are ten a penny, people who can negotiate are not. Mitchell still has a lot to learn about the business side of football he is now in.

Could be. But however Levy has done this , it definitely looks from appearance and Press reports , that Levy has estranged a valuable member of staff to the extent that he walked out . Difficult to present Levy as perfect in this situation , but never underestimate the BSODL....

 

[dagraham]

£11m for an unknown while giving away a player for under £6m isn't a very good deal, no wonder Levy got involved and moved the goalposts, bloody good job he did. We are not here to simply pay what other clubs want and dish out wages we can't afford (Batshuayi) that would then affect our whole wages budget, with everyone else wanting parity.

People who can analyse data are ten a penny, people who can negotiate are not. Mitchell still has a lot to learn about the business side of football he is now in.

So you don't think Levy was involved in the first set of negotiations and subsequent agreement? Mitchell has nothing at all to do with negotiations or finances.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

But yet you still did a rather lengthy response to me, not for the first time. I mean it's not like I made a second account and named it BSODL for the sole purpose of winding people up or anything .Maybe I could have elaborated more in my first post, but my concern that we might not replace Mitchell properly is not without merit or justification.
Very happy to stand by and back my other arguments in other threads as well regardless of the consensus.

Can't take any of that seriously

 

[Mullers]

Didn't mean that arsehat smiley btw, I pressed it accidentally.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Didn't mean that arsehat smiley btw, I pressed it accidentally.

Slag

 

[Gilzeanking]

Slag

I may be mistaken A&C , can't be arsed to check , but didn't you write a poem or song lyric in the transfer thread that semi predicted this Marseille player outcome...

 

[danielneeds]

I was no fan of Damian and was glad to see the back of him but his record for signings was pretty decent in the end. Some atrocious ones too but no more than most in that role.

Ultimately, the only relationships that will affect things to a tangible amount are: manager with chairman; manager with players; manager with supporters. If those three are all good, we will continue to progress.

I can see where this thread is going, but quickly let's just downgrade Comolli from decent to patchy. Modric, Bale have to be countered with Zokora, Bent, Bentley, Pav...