Player Watch Player Watch: Brennan Johnson

[THFCSPURS19]

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[cliff jones]

If he performs than I’m sure it will be framed by the fanbase as good scouting and and excellent pick by Ange.

If he doesn’t live up to expectations then it will be put down to another ‘Levy buy’ foisted on a subservient manager.

The narrative is already being formed here.

you seem hell-bent on reframing every debate as Levy vs ‘people’

Like a broken record

 

[wiggo24]

I just don't get it. He's not the profile we need as either WF or CF, and his data doesn't suggest he's some sort of hidden gem being restricted by Forest's system. He's just not been very good since he stepped up to the Prem.

It screams of a last minute opportunistic Levy deal to get rid of some deadweight, rather than taking hits on the deadweight and paying proper money for a WF who would actually elevate us.

Also, there's no actual evidence that Ange wants him over anyone else - if this were the case we surely would have made our move earlier in the summer. We all assumed Conte must have wanted Danjuma in January because it's a more pleasant scenario than Levy being up to his old tricks again, but we were all proven wrong within a month. Don't see anything to suggest this isn't the same.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Juve fans didn’t rate Bentancur

They didn’t rate Arthur ether.

 

[yankspurs]

Three things for me here.

1)Brennan Johnson? I just don't see the fuss. I really don't see why he's in such demand. He doesn't pass the eye test and he's nothing special statistically.

2) Not my money but £50m is a hell of a lot for someone who in my book is completely unproven and not an upgrade on our attacking players.

3) Brennan was the player that cleared out Richy when he decided to "showboat" with keepie uppies.

Is he in demand, though? Dont think anyone else is even taking a glance at him besides Spurs. To me this is a Levy opportunistic push rather than the footballing people actually wanting him.

Forest in FFP trouble? Check. Can use unwanted player to lower price? Check. Johnson not fitting the profile of what we need? Check. Data not showing there is even a gem somewhere in there? Check.

 

[BENNO]

you seem hell-bent on reframing every debate as Levy vs ‘people’

Like a broken record

Tbf literally the next post after yours is someone moaning about this potential signing being an 'opportunistic levy deal' and a moan about Levy being up to his old tricks.

To some people the repetition of those sort of posts gets fucking annoying too !

 

[yankspurs]

I just don’t see it being Johnson + a striker coming in. We’re stacked in those attacking positions if Johnson joins.

Solomon
Perisic
Kulu
Richy
Gil
Son
Johnson

7 for 3 positions is more than enough with no Europe. Also considering we had ITK that Ange potentially sees Kulu as a striker option.

Son better hit form & get 15-20 again then. There are very little goals in there.

 

[chas vs dave]

Is he in demand, though? Dont think anyone else is even taking a glance at him besides Spurs. To me this is a Levy opportunistic push rather than the footballing people actually wanting him.

Forest in FFP trouble? Check. Can use unwanted player to lower price? Check. Johnson not fitting the profile of what we need? Check. Data not showing there is even a gem somewhere in there? Check.

That's all good and well, if you ignore the fact that we've been scouting him for over 2 years....

Again, it may be a mix of opportunity, but its well known that we have been scouting him for a long time.

Most on here said we signed viccario because he was cheaper. It doesn't seem that way now.

 

[goughie1966]

Forest fans view last 24 hours

• If johno goes to Tottenham, how long before they realise their mistake and bomb squad him ? Johnno is still too raw and inexperienced at this stage. This season, he still has all to prove and if he does well again this season, nobody would begrudge him his move
• 100% agree, its a bit harsh in saying it would be a mistake imho because he is more than capable of developing into a player that would be excellent for a top six team but Spurs ain't it (In any respect) Spence, Sessegnon, Clarke et al show what they do. Theyve loaned out Troy Parrot (Again) who was talked if in the same way as the young Irish striker at Brighton but persist in playing a cock up front who has scored something like 1 goal in the past season. The spuds fans drove out Harry Winks because he misplaced a pass on the odd occasion, slate Eric Dier for not tackling well enough and they would react the same if they had seen Jonno miss the chance against Arsenal.

After Utd game:

• Thought he had a decent game today
• Was OK, could and should have been more dangerous. Seems to be lacking a bit of confidence to really take the opposition's players on. Will come in time.
• I wish he'd stop being injured every 10 mins. He must have the pain threshold of a 4 year old girl
• He's still not match fit. At one point he had a head start on Dalot, but he caught him up. Much better performance though and caused a few problems. EDIT: forgot he was asleep for their 2nd and played everyone onside. That was shit!
• Great assist for MGW if Taiwo hadn't blocked it!
• I’d sell him
• Liverpool may be coming into some cash - perhaps they and Spurs can bid up to 100.
• Thought he was good today. He's a real Rolls Royce when he gets going and he's working hard. Team player.
• Honestly for 50 mil, I'm not too upset. He hasn't impressed me so far this season.
• Even for £50m, what are Forest going to get, that plugs the loss of his goals and his attacking threat?
• I can't disagree more mate. Considering his substantial lack of minutes in pre-season he's building up nicely in my opinion
• Agreed looked more like his normal self yesterday I thought
• Well £50m is the bottom end of what i'd accept, was hoping we could push for a figure closer to £60m
• He got in behind Man Utd 4 or 5 times yesterday. At one point, he split two opponents and did them for pace. I think it was the lead up to MGW's blocked shot. He's developing his game and there's more to come. I'm hoping we can hang on to him.
• I’d prefer it if he stayed but £50m plus would soften the blow, provided we spent it on some legitimate wonderkids who are guaranteed to be world class, and are good eggs. Easy
• He struggled alone up front against Arsenal but has been decent since imo. And we know what he can do. I'd rather have him than £50m personally.
• I was aghast at the prospect of selling him at the start of the window. Now ....if we can get CHO & Batshuayi or another decent striker in, plus Dominguez, I think I'd take that. I also think we'll see a surprise or two on deadline day if we do sell.
• If we get anything like £50m, so we can strengthen elsewhere then fair enough but I think he'll be a miss. I keep reading he's been bad lately but he's still better than most at getting us up the pitch & creating opportunities. The 2nd goal yesterday came from a Johnson break, the MGW chance after he beat two men down the right. Not bad considering we generally have very little of the ball in the attacking third.
• It’s too late in the window to replace him so I’d say no unless something stupid was offered like 70M which won’t happen. Take away BJ and the only person I’d fancy to score double digits is Taiwo.
• I love johnno but there’s no way anyone is mad enough to pay £50m for him. His finishing and decision making are hit and miss. Great asset for us because of his pace but would be an impact sub at best for a top half team and no-one bar man city pays 50 mil for a sub. i hope he stays but if he goes I’d be shocked if it’s more than 30 mil. Maddison was only 40. Having said all that i’d love to see him staying wide and crossing balls in - the rare occasions he’s done that he’s shown his crossing is way better than his finishing
• Oh sod off with Davison Sanchez. Just give us straight money or do one.
• Spurs trying to offload some of their crap as part of the deal. Tell them to get fucked. Pay the fee within the next couple of days or stop wasting everyone's time.

 

[McFlash]

If he performs than I’m sure it will be framed by the fanbase as good scouting and and excellent pick by Ange.

If he doesn’t live up to expectations then it will be put down to another ‘Levy buy’ foisted on a subservient manager.

The narrative is already being formed here.

Personally, i think people are just voicing different opinions and thoughts about the (potential) signing.
I don't think there has to be an "agenda", or "narrative", behind everything.

This could yet turn out to be anything, either a great move for a decent player that comes along with the chance of shifting some unwanted players, or a Levy driven bargain.
Nobody knows but to keep jumping on people and accusing them of having agendas and narratives is getting a bit boring now.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Yeah I see that as the problem really. I think we'd be relying an awful lot on a struggling striker, coupled with the fact that he's had multiple injury problems too. It would be a risk to take Kulusevski possibly filling in into account in our decision making and I'd even say the same with Son. They are more so options to 'get by' as opposed to an option that may elevate us.

I agree in that it would leave us with a lot of attacking players, but as much as I'd like a pacey winger and even that winger being Johnson, I feel we may need a striker more.

Yeah I definitely understand your concern. We just got to hope Richy eventually finds his shooting boots. Or Kulu channels his inner Firmino and facilitates Son/Johnson to score goals.

We’re definitely in uncharted territory not having that guaranteed 20 goal a season striker though so I get why fans have anxiety on how it will transpire.

 

[JayB]

Tbf literally the next post after yours is someone moaning about this potential signing being an 'opportunistic levy deal' and a moan about Levy being up to his old tricks.

To some people the repetition of those sort of posts gets fucking annoying too !

Has everyone missed Herc’s post from earlier today, or Trix’s posts yesterday?

The narrative that this transfer is being pushed by Levy not coming out of nowhere.

 

[ukdy]

Not sure if anyone can verify this is real but appaz this is Brennan's dad liking the post:

Edit: Can confirm this is real

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[Ghost Hardware]

Has everyone missed Herc’s post from earlier today, or Trix’s posts yesterday?

The narrative that this transfer is being pushed by Levy not coming out of nowhere.

Very curious to see what happens if they stick to their £40-50 mil valuation and refuse to take any players as part of the deal.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Personally, i think people are just voicing different opinions and thoughts about the (potential) signing.
I don't think there has to be an "agenda", or "narrative", behind everything.

This could yet turn out to be anything, either a great move for a decent player that comes along with the chance of shifting some unwanted players, or a Levy driven bargain.
Nobody knows but to keep jumping on people and accusing them of having agendas and narratives is getting a bit boring now.

All fair points but surely seeing a few sporadic posts from me isn’t as boring as every thread being turned into an anti-levy doom spiral - which has happened to the majority of threads on here?

 

[Shep]

Im not sold. More DL doing his stuff. Not sure everyone agrees.

This would be incredibly disappointing but in no way surprising whatsoever.

 

[mil1lion]

If spending £40 mil on Johnson stops us from bringing in a quality CF I’m going to be rather disappointed. I’m also not convinced by the idea of bringing him in as a CF

I can't see us getting a better centre forward than Son this late in the window. A young prospect is probably the best we can get. We could do worse than moving Son up top and getting a versatile wide player.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I’m still of the opinion that going for Johnson when Williams has a 45 mil release clause is a very bad move. I sincerely hope he is one of the other two names on this list.

 

[wrd]

Why has it triggered you? I’m just making an observation.

Surely it’s better to make that observation now than seem all negative Nigel if he does perform?

I'm not triggered, I'm just aware of those who consistently complain about people bringing up Levy who seem insistent on doing so themselves.

I can see the logic in bringing it up now but I don't see how it would be negative to bring up that it was supposedly Levy who brought him in, if Ange was getting the credit. I don't see the logic in calling thing's that haven't happened agenda's.

Frankly none of us know who is driving the deal, might well be Levy, might be Paratici. Might be that Levy is driving the deal, Ange is happy. Might be that Levy is driving the deal and Ange has to accept what he's given and for the players sake has to put a positive spin on it and use what he's given, none of us know. Understandable to be concerned if deals are being done outside of a structure involving our scouting department but it's nothing more than an if, unless Ange wants to follow in Conte's footsteps and call it a club signing. So all that matters really is, are we going to sign him and is he good enough.

 

[ajspurs]

Yeah I definitely understand your concern. We just got to hope Richy eventually finds his shooting boots. Or Kulu channels his inner Firmino and facilitates Son/Johnson to score goals.

We’re definitely in uncharted territory not having that guaranteed 20 goal a season striker though so I get why fans have anxiety on how it will transpire.

Yeah it seems as such! To be fair to Richarlison at least he always puts in a shift and works his ass off so it's not like we get nothing from him, it's just the time will come when we'll need the quality in front of goal to go with that.

I think even besides the prospect of a guaranteed 20 goal a season striker, I'd have always thought in losing Kane the very least we'd end up with would be one or two very exciting prospects to somewhat compensate. The great football under Ange has almost eased that desire but it doesn't make it any less crazy in my mind that it's maybe something that won't happen after losing one of the best strikers in the world.

Anyway, going a bit off topic here so I'll leave it there