Was thinking this the other day....I know they are different kind of players and Johnson can obviously improve but in terms of technical ability, Palmer looks on a whole different level. Had the advantage of coming through at City where no doubt he was training with some top quality players but regardless gap appears to quite noticeable.
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Was thinking this the other day....I know they are different kind of players and Johnson can obviously improve but in terms of technical ability, Palmer looks on a whole different level. Had the advantage of coming through at City where no doubt he was training with some top quality players but regardless gap appears to quite noticeable.
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Same price as Johnson too
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Probably on 4 times the salary though, which might explain why we weren’t interested.
I’ve been really impressed with Palmer though - by far the best bit of business that lot have done under the new owner (mind you, a broken clock is still right twice a day!)
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Johnson will be fine if he’s a squad option who we develop but I agree there’s a huge gap between him and the quality wide players we need right now.
I would absolutely love Neto IF he is over his injury issues. Superb player and the type of wide player an elite team has.
I just can’t see us signing Neto unless we sell.
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We shouldn’t need to sell to buy especially if we qualify for the CL or even EL.
If you mean we have too many players in the squad, we should move Deki to midfield imo and sell Gil. That immediately creates room.
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I reckon he needs, at least, next season before we take a view.
There are flashes - the assist for Deki vs. City being one - and there could be something there. He needs to show that he can take a player on, make a yard, and either get a clean shot away or create something. Being played in and running in behind just isn't enough, long term.
If he can work on that and develop, great. He seems like a great kid, with a brilliant attitude. He could absolutely be one that flourishes, and I hope he is. He needs support, and belief though. Tough to say which way it will go at this stage.
Either way, he needs at least another season before we can make any fair long term judgements.
I thought we would have learned not to give up on new players after 6 months, with Richarlison being the latest example. But hey, posting ad infinitum that we need to sell and/or how great other players are compared to him is definitely a healthy coping mechanism. Give the boy a chance, it's his second season in the Premier League...
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the thing is with him he does have potential. You can see us going for him if he was an 18 year starter in a championship team scoring double figures. It still gives him enough time to work on his technical and mental deficiencies; however at 22 years old at that price you get players at Odegaard or Palmer level. Not a decent early twenties championship player.
Question to all, obviously this season is his first season at a top six club. What should he do in terms of goals and assists next season to justify his place and price? What would you sell him for if you don’t rate him?
Question to all, obviously this season is his first season at a top six club. What should he do in terms of goals and assists next season to justify his place and price? What would you sell him for if you don’t rate him?
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Bit harsh that!
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Agree. Neto looked fantastic yesterday, exactly what we are lacking on the wings, he's so physical as well. If he could stay fit he would have to be one of the most attractive talents in Europe currently, he probably is regardless but there is a question there. Its such a shame he has injury issues. Like you say re Johnson, for now he should 100% be a bench option rather then starter.
I do think that in general our wings being one of the weakest parts of the squad currently does put extra focus on Johnson and if Solomon was fit, Kulu wasn't in a really bad patch of form and Son was here then we wouldn't be so focused on Johnson underperforming. As it is currently its easy for fans to jump on his back because he cost over 40 mil and isn't imposing himself in matches. The fact he's only 22 gets forgotten about all to easily.
In general I think we had hoped Solomon to proved certain aspects that have been lacking from our front line and probably targeted Johnson to compliment Solomon. Unfortunately due to his injury that hasn't worked out and has sort of left us looking towards Johnson to provide something that just isn't in his skill set.
Yes, I'm not entirely convinced Johnson will ever becomes an elite player but I think he can be a very useful asset and there is no reason he won't go up a few levels over the next few years. For now he should be a sub for the remainder of the season.
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Can you point me towards someone who's giving up on him?
I just mean from a squad perspective. Currently we have;
Richie Veliz - striker
Son, Solomun, Gil, Werner (loan) - LW
Kulu, Johnson - rw
8 players for 3 positions. I think we’d need to sell at least Gil, maybe 1 more if we wanted Neto in.
I’m all for Neto I think he’s exactly what we need. He would be a statement signing going after a top winger from another prem club.
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Out of those players only Richarlison, Son and Werner are developed. The rest are young potential (Soloman is a bit older but still relatively young). So for me I would get another experienced more established first team starter or Werner if he can find his old form. This is the issue when people say just sign Werner at 15m, we already have a lot of numbers in attack. We just lack 1 who is already top quality rather than the potential that the likes of Johnson has. That way you have experienced starters in the front 3 with young prospects fighting to displace them. I think that's the role Johnson needs. He's just not there yet to be a starter at this level.
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I think Gil will certainly leave come summer, im not entirely sure Werner will be retained and I do wonder what happens to Solomon. His injury record over the last two season's has been awful. Almost Sess levels. At this point its hard to even consider him an option. I really hope he can come back soon and stay fit for the rest of the season but at the moment I would be nervous going into next season with him as option. There was also mention by ITK that Son's contract won't be renewed so next season would be his last. Ether way I think there will be a lot of change to our wide players, its probably the one area of the team that needs the most work IMO.
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No way son doesn't get renewed if he wants to stay
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I think we should move Son to striker permanently from the summer. He will be 32 and there is no way he can keep playing the wide role in our system with the necessary energy and intensity imo. Plus he isn't really suited to the wide role anyway.
Gil should leave and Deki should be moved to midfield, he just doesn't have the mobility and pace required to play wide in our system to make us a consistent threat.
I would use Solomon as a 3rd choice wide player for either side, which we will need if we are in the CL or EL.
So I'd have:
ST: Son, Richarlison, Veliz
LW: New Signing, Werner, Solomon
RW: New Signing, Johnson, Solomon
In regards to Johnson, his weaknesses are magnified by the fact we don't have any wide players with the correct profile to play opposite him (or even rotate with him).
Not saying this would happen but if we had Williams and Neto in our squad, then the blend of profiles out wide would mean Johnson could be paired opposite a much more rounded player which would help him and us as a team.
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Yeah I think we have an option of 1 year if I'm not mistaken. I imagine we're just waiting to see how he looks in a year. Just in case he loses it which we've seen with the likes of Dembele and Vertonghen. He's still a top level and will be first choice next season. It's just whether we have a young prospect for the long run but we need to be patient with the ones we have. Maybe someone like Devine will be ready in a couple of years. Even Johnson himself could hit those heights for all we know. Have to remember how Son looked in his early 20s.
Yeah that’s fair. I’d Imagine we might try to sell
Solomun or just keep him around as he was free as an option.
If Kulu is moved to 10 option permanently then yeah we need significant investment into wide areas.
2 big signings Neto and someone else would be big.
If we have champions league, I can’t see any reason we can’t sign 2 big players at 60-80 million a piece.
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