Dele Alli at Everton

[Joely]

I bet Mourinho would rather sell ndombele than Dele.

Had that thought to. Think a lot of the problem for Mourinho is where does he fit Dele into his system. Don't see him playing behind/wide of Kane now Bale is here. It'll be Bale and Son.

I think he'd probably want to try and fit him in the furthest in a midfield 3 and my guess is he really wants to give him a chance there but isn't seeing the all round game from him to feel he can do a job there. Dele can have a tendency to slow down play and Mourinho is probably looking for us to shift the ball quickly, something Ndombele seems to excel at even though has question marks over the rest of his game.

Dele seems the type who is much happier receiving the ball from the midfield and pulling off cute touches in the last third, especially in and around the area or getting on the end of things there. He starts looking lost and peripheral the further away from the area he gets imo.

 

[sausage]

I've never seen a poached egg that didn't ruin a plate with all it's Yolky bullshit

It's a skill, but it's perfectly possible.

If you lay out a sheet of cling film, crack the egg into it, then gather it up like a little fish at the fair. Drop it into the water and you get nice little poached but runny eggs if you do it for a short time, but hard if you leave it longer.

 

[Joely]

Another thing with Dele is I think he benefited massively from having Dembele behind him in midfield. The guy gave us so much control in midfield, almost allowed Poch to maybe give Dele more of licence to go play more of a free role.

 

[nicdic]

Dele has a season that was completely disrupted by injury, followed by one where no one played well. Yet when he came back from injury and Jose took over he had a run where he was back to his best. Then Kane got injured, and then Son and we decided not to play football anymore and he lost rhythm. This not played well for two years thing is not really the full story. Fit and firing with decent options around him he can still be great. And through ore season was looking one of the more promising players.

If we sell we will regret it.

 

[dfree]

He had about 0.6 goal contributions per 90 last season, which was roughly the same as a certain Harry Kane. Has he been at his best? No. But everybody acting like he's been the worst player in the squad is just being incredibly reactionary.

 

[adamsky]

I would prefer to see Alli on the right wing as an inside forward than Moura if Bale is not available. If Kane is gonna drop back and play balls through then Alli does have the intelligence to make inside runs. It would take a bit of adjustment from him but I think he is capable of it.

 

[Timberwolf]

He had about 0.6 goal contributions per 90 last season, which was roughly the same as a certain Harry Kane. Has he been at his best? No. But everybody acting like he's been the worst player in the squad is just being incredibly reactionary.

I honestly don't think we are being reactionary. Everyone here acknowledges that Alli's best quality is his output. The problem is everything else. We've literally watched him hundreds of times - it's the opposite of reactionary.

Is it worth a goal/assist every other game if he slows down our attack, continuously loses the ball and wastes tons of other chances? Dele is a prime example of why stats dont tell the whole story in football.

Also when you take into account he scored like 5 of his goals in a very short period when we played him in his best position...it doesnt paint the whole picture. Outside of that spell I can rarely think of a game in which I thought Dele was one of our best players. Far more often he was one of our worst.

Said it already this thread but I really don't think it's a coincidence that Kane and Son were so direct and clinical today. There was no Alli getting in the way.

 

[lukadownthelane]

I’ve never understood why Dele couldn’t perform the Lampard role with us. Surely if there’s a coach to turn him into a CM it’s Mourinho

 

[dfree]

I honestly don't think we are being reactionary. Everyone here acknowledges that Alli's best quality is his output. The problem is everything else. We've literally watched him hundreds of times - it's the opposite of reactionary.

Is it worth a goal/assist every other game if he slows down our attack, continuously loses the ball and wastes tons of other chances? Dele is a prime example of why stats dont tell the whole story in football.

Also when you take into account he scored like 5 of his goals in a very short period when we played him in his best position...it doesnt paint the whole picture. Outside of that spell I can rarely think of a game in which I thought Dele was one of our best players. Far more often he was one of our worst.

Said it already this thread but I really don't think it's a coincidence that Kane and Son were so direct and clinical today. There was no Alli getting in the way.

You can't complain about Dele getting in the way when Lucas is standing on the wing doing absolutely fuckall unless he's running into traffic. Dele isn't untouchable anymore, but he's not suddenly a must sell like some in this thread are insinuating.

 

[Timberwolf]

You can't complain about Dele getting in the way when Lucas is standing on the wing doing absolutely fuckall unless he's running into traffic. Dele isn't untouchable anymore, but he's not suddenly a must sell like some in this thread are insinuating.

Yeah fair enough, Lucas was shit, but that's another matter. We're talking about Dele here and Lucas is probably the third choice right forward now we have Bale. I think neither should be in our first 11.

 

[aliyid]

I’ve never understood why Dele couldn’t perform the Lampard role with us. Surely if there’s a coach to turn him into a CM it’s Mourinho

Dele is as far from a Lampard style player you can imagine, he’s more in the Joe Cole mould (and we all know how that turned out for Cole).

Dele’s biggest plus point is his unpredictability where he tries random flicks. When they come off he catches defences unprepared but when they don’t he appears to give the ball away cheaply.

Personal view, I love him and him think we’re far too predictable in our build up without him in there. Only problem is that he’s not a Mourinho player so can see him being forced out.

 

[hamsup_sotong]

Whats the hg picture like if we actually sell him? Its going to be bloody tough to replace someone like that...

 

[dagraham]

Dele is as far from a Lampard style player you can imagine, he’s more in the Joe Cole mould (and we all know how that turned out for Cole).

Dele’s biggest plus point is his unpredictability where he tries random flicks. When they come off he catches defences unprepared but when they don’t he appears to give the ball away cheaply.

Personal view, I love him and him think we’re far too predictable in our build up without him in there. Only problem is that he’s not a Mourinho player so can see him being forced out.

Well Jose actually turned Joe Cole into a much better all round player, so maybe he’ll do the same with Ali if he responds in the right way?

 

[Wig]

We've seen enough of Dele in recent years to know what he offers the team and where his best position is. But we're not going to pick him ahead of a front 3 of Son, Kane and Bale/Moura/ Bergwijn. If he's going to competing for a central attacking midfield position ahead of Hojbjerg to link midfield to our forwards like Lo Celso and Ndombele, then I would rather we give more chances to Gedson to see what he can do to make a proper judgement on him.

 

[TC18]

It's a skill, but it's perfectly possible.

If you lay out a sheet of cling film, crack the egg into it, then gather it up like a little fish at the fair. Drop it into the water and you get nice little poached but runny eggs if you do it for a short time, but hard if you leave it longer.

I like to put the cling film over and into a mug

what on earth is happening to this thread

 

[dtxspurs]

Whats the hg picture like if we actually sell him? Its going to be bloody tough to replace someone like that...

Kane, Winks, Davies, Doherty, Bale, Hart, Japhet is 21 so doesn't he count? Its not so much a HG issue as it is we just have too many players.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Fantastic synopsis. The issue I have and have had in the past is my emotional connection to certain players. My first season watching and supporting spurs was in deles breakthrough in 15/16, and I fell in love with the guy. I have to understand that maybe now would be the best time for all parties to say “time for a fresh start”. I’ll always cherish the memories he gave us if he were to go, but if he stays, still a player who can contribute goals and assists out of nothing, even if he doesn’t fit in our system.

You missed Bale first time around then...now that guy really did contribute goals and assists out of nothing.
During his last season with us, our performances were often quite reminiscent of Poch's last year in charge - flat, unable to break teams down etc. But time and time again Bale saved the day. 9 league goals from outside the box. Every time he picked up the ball there was a sense of anticipation - like there was with Ronaldo the season he scored 42 goals for United.

Long story short, if Bale is half as good as he was in 2013, you won't be spending much time missing Dele.

 

[spurslenny]

In all honesty, I'd rather we sold Moura than Dele, purely because we already have players that can do what Moura does, just better.

Also, Dele is a bit of a one off as others have already pointed out. So, in that regard, it makes sense to keep a player that offers a different skill set.

Be it being off form, sulking, not doing what Jose is asking of him, I don't know. But if he plays against Orient or the Macedonian pub team, we definitely need to see a reaction from him.

 

[guy]

In all honesty, I'd rather we sold Moura than Dele, purely because we already have players that can do what Moura does, just better.

Also, Dele is a bit of a one off as others have already pointed out. So, in that regard, it makes sense to keep a player that offers a different skill set.

Be it being off form, sulking, not doing what Jose is asking of him, I don't know. But if he plays against Orient or the Macedonian pub team, we definitely need to see a reaction from him.

Agreed, mouras are a dime a dozen. Alli not so much.

Someone posted about 10 pages ago whether moura provides what dele can. He doesn't, dele scores goals. Moura has not scored in the league in 2020. That is awful.

 

[SandroClegane]

I wonder how badly the Amazon documentary has impacted the way us fans see and think about him? I know from my side he was pretty much the only player who didn’t come across well. There was no in depth conversation ala Tanganga, nothing like Aurier, etc, the focus when it turned to him was always so immature. Even the fight with Dier left him looking like a spoilt brat. I don’t know, it just doesn’t feel like it has done him any favours.

Lol seriously? You don't joke around with colleagues and friends about stupid nonsense? He was one player that definitely cared. Once again overanalyzing a documentary that showed probably less than 5% of the day to day for any of these guys.