Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[WiganSpur]

Reading between the lines, I think he's not part of Ange's plans at all and he'd play Porro over him regardless of any question marks about his suitability.

To not even get on the bench of a single pre-season game when he was apparently fit says a lot. Surely something about his application or attitude in training hasn't pleased Ange and he's not considered part of the group going forward. Ange has historically been very black & white when he assesses his squads upon arrival and you're either in or you're out.

Spence is out.

Yeah think you may be right. Frustrating really as you can see Porro not being a fit and us splurging on yet another RB next summer, and quite possibly a HG one.

 

[Impspur1]

We could regret letting Spence go whilst the questions remain about Porro at RB. I'd send him out on loan to a PL side with a view to selling him next summer if needs be.

Different coaches have looked and deemed him not worth persevering with, whatever the reason.

 

[he is you know!]

So 12.5 we agreed and the rest was add-ons?

Yes, apologies to all, I've become a bit of a pedant about transfer fees and putting the correct currency on values posted

 

[Timberwolf]

Yeah think you may be right. Frustrating really as you can see Porro not being a fit and us splurging on yet another RB next summer, and quite possibly a HG one.

Yeah I completely agree we'll be looking for a new RB before long. I like Porro a lot as a player but I maintain he was a stupid signing given he's such a specialist wing back and the question marks around both Conte and Paratici at the time.

If a schmuck like me on the internet could predict it, why couldn't the highly paid professionals at Spurs see this one coming?

 

[ukdy]

I'm not a Conte fan but I don't think we can blame him here.

Well maybe not 100% - but he certainly didn’t help matters or publicly give DS the boost he needed. Imagine as a young player coming in, only to find out you’re unwanted under the current managerial administration!

Smacks of disorganisation from the club, unless EVERYONE knew he was a future prospect, so the player gets his head down and works ready for his opportunity.

Otherwise DS has had time here in training and a clean slate pre-season to impress Ange and didn’t for whatever reason or not enough to be kept around.

 

[WiganSpur]

Yeah I completely agree we'll be looking for a new RB before long. I like Porro a lot as a player but I maintain he was a stupid signing given the question marks around both Conte and Paratici at the time.

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If a schmuck like me on the internet could predict it, why couldn't the highly paid professionals at Spurs see this one coming?

Was always going to be an issue unless we hired a back 5 manager. He's a square peg at RW as well let's be honest. Hopefully he can improve at RB but I just don't think he is up to it physically. You watched us yesterday and Royal and Udogie who had excellent games are much more likely to win duels and the individual battles.

Only way you get the best out of him is a back 5 with defensive nous around him or at RM in a 442.

It's a shame because technically he's as a good a FB as you'll see.

 

[felmani26]

A symptom of just poor recruitment in a poor working environment.

Will undoubtedly be enough interest in him to shift on this summer but this might be one that Levy has to take a hit on or is he going to merely be loaned out for the foreseeable.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Gutted with this.

I can only think it’s down to attitude because he has the ability and physicality. Ange also has no agenda where as Conte did have a clear agenda against him (not surprising given his treatment of Destiny too which I read on COYS yesterday).

Disappointing because him and Destiny together at fullback could have given us supreme elite pace and strength on both sides which would have made us formidable imo.

Just thinking about how we could have lined up with a backline of Destiny, VdV, Romero and Spence.

Would have been the fastest backline in world football and perfect for playing super aggressive and high up the pitch. Defence full of physical monsters.

Such a shame.

 

[$hoguN]

A symptom of just poor recruitment in a poor working environment.

Will undoubtedly be enough interest in him to shift on this summer but this might be one that Levy has to take a hit on or is he going to merely be loaned out for the foreseeable.

I disagree to a degree. Purchasing him as a RWB option for a Conte was clearly wrong as Conte wasn’t going to play him. However from a club perspective, we took the opportunity to gamble on a player with a high ceiling putting in good performances for a relatively reasonable price.

We should have got in someone Conte was ok with. If we still wanted Spence he should have gone straight out on loan

 

[Timberwolf]

I disagree to a degree. Purchasing him as a RWB option for a Conte was clearly wrong as Conte wasn’t going to play him. However from a club perspective, we took the opportunity to gamble on a player with a high ceiling putting in good performances for a relatively reasonable price.

We should have got in someone Conte was ok with. If we still wanted Spence he should have gone straight out on loan

From a purely talent-perspective I agree he was certainly worth the punt.

Homegrown, affordable, specialist wing back, young, incredible pace, huge ceiling...he was basically a unicorn - very few options out there with that profile.

But if the manager's not behind it, it's hard to justify. Conte is so picky and moody when it comes to signings, the last thing you want to do is give him a player against his will and ask him to use them - he's more likely to purposefully not use them out of spite (and maybe that's what happened?).

If Conte did sign off on the deal then instantly call him a club signing and refuse to use him, that's just Conte being a prick, though.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

From a purely talent-perspective I agree he was certainly worth the punt.

Homegrown, affordable, specialist wing back, young, incredible pace, huge ceiling...he was basically a unicorn - very few options out there with that profile.

But if the manager's not behind it, it's hard to justify. Conte is so picky and moody when it comes to signings, the last thing you want to do is give him a player against his will and ask him to use them - he's more likely to purposefully not use them out of spite (and maybe that's what happened?).

If Conte did sign off on the deal then instantly call him a club signing and refuse to use him, that's just Conte being a prick, though.

Conte being a prick..Surely not!!!

 

[freeeki]

Not bothered at all.

Warnock said he had a bad attitude, Conte clearly didn’t like him and Ange is already willing to let him go.

If those 3 are all on the same page, then there’s clearly something in it.

Shame because the lad clearly has bags of natural ability but as we know, that’s not enough.

 

[Japhet]

Gutted with this.

I can only think it’s down to attitude because he has the ability and physicality. Ange also has no agenda where as Conte did have a clear agenda against him (not surprising given his treatment of Destiny too which I read on COYS yesterday).

Disappointing because him and Destiny together at fullback could have given us supreme elite pace and strength on both sides which would have made us formidable imo.

Just thinking about how we could have lined up with a backline of Destiny, VdV, Romero and Spence.

Would have been the fastest backline in world football and perfect for playing super aggressive and high up the pitch. Defence full of physical monsters.

Such a shame.

Emerson isn't exactly slow.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Attitude is everything. Royals attitude earned him redemption, even though I always thought he was a top RB

Spence needs a hard think about his career

 

[felmani26]

I disagree to a degree. Purchasing him as a RWB option for a Conte was clearly wrong as Conte wasn’t going to play him. However from a club perspective, we took the opportunity to gamble on a player with a high ceiling putting in good performances for a relatively reasonable price.

We should have got in someone Conte was ok with. If we still wanted Spence he should have gone straight out on loan

Probably should clarify, this was more of an 'at the time' thinking under the previous regime which just wasn't a conducive environment for Spence to succeed.

The notion of targeting up and coming talent should, in my opinion, be at the forefront of our transfer policy - just a shame this particular deal turned out the way it has.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

So, that's £60m on him and Porro (don't get me wrong, good player, but a specialist RWB...) - people say we don't spend money...we just don't spend it well

It's a shame, for sure

 

[KILLA_SIN]

So, that's £60m on him and Porro (don't get me wrong, good player, but a specialist RWB...) - people say we don't spend money...we just don't spend it well

It's a shame, for sure

Its all that wing back nonsense, people lapped it up, it was total bs, flash in the pan,
though I think Porro will come good in the end

 

[RuskyM]

I would take attitude arguments with a pinch of salt, and suggest it benefits the people who are saying it (the club for signing him/Conte for not playing him) rather than a player who can’t speak up without being called unprofessional. I just fuckin hate the suggestion professional athletes aren’t arsed about being professional athletes when they’ve dedicated their lives to it.

Dele’s interview wasn’t that long ago lads. I’m not saying it’s that bad and maybe he is just a bell/lazy/thick but I’m always happier to give the player the benefit of doubt.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

It is easy to blame Conte - but, maybe, Spence is either not good enough, or does not put in the work on the training ground.

Boro wanted to be rid of him. Conte did not play him. Ange is happy for him to go. Even on loan, he only played when the starter was injured - never got a look in after that.

At some point it stops being the manager's fault that he is not playing...

 

[spursville]

Loan Spence, sell Porro and buy another right back in this summer. Simples