Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario

[thebenjamin]

I’ve noticed he gets targeted at corners in most matches recently. Last night was blatant throughout, constantly getting pushed off balance as corners taken.

why is no one standing between Vic and the Man City player. It seemed strange to me. Is it because we just mark in zones at set pieces?

He will have said he doesn't want it

 

[agrdavidsfan]

I’m sorry but tonight’s goal is such a clear foul, I am a keeper and people don’t understand how hard it is already before you add what Dias does to him people saying it’s soft are laughable

 

[Whazam]

I’m sorry but tonight’s goal is such a clear foul, I am a keeper and people don’t understand how hard it is already before you add what Dias does to him people saying it’s soft are laughable

And Diaz was allowed to do it all the f***ing game. I'm fine with VAR not intervening, since I don't think it was clear and obvious in isolation, but at that point Tierney should have had a talk with Diaz about ten times already.

Annoying.

 

[superted4]

And Diaz was allowed to do it all the f***ing game. I'm fine with VAR not intervening, since I don't think it was clear and obvious in isolation, but at that point Tierney should have had a talk with Diaz about ten times already.

Annoying.

Tierney didn’t want to know.

Silva did 4 fouls on the bounce and should have been carded, but wasn’t.

rodri showed dissent twice before eventually been carded for a foul.

Vicario should have got into a tussel with Dias to bring it to the attention of the ref, the ref has a word with both of them and keeps an eye on the situation from there

 

[G Ron]

Tierney didn’t want to know.

Silva did 4 fouls on the bounce and should have been carded, but wasn’t.

rodri showed dissent twice before eventually been carded for a foul.

Vicario should have got into a tussel with Dias to bring it to the attention of the ref, the ref has a word with both of them and keeps an eye on the situation from there

Yep absolute classic - Silva and Foden took turns tactically fouling us when we started to break out from the press. After about 6 fouls he finally booked Silva then Udogie commits his first foul and gets booked straight away.

I thought the ref was shit to be fair, on multiple occasions blew for the foul when we had a decent advantage to play on from.

 

[spurs mental]

Tierney didn’t want to know.

Silva did 4 fouls on the bounce and should have been carded, but wasn’t.

rodri showed dissent twice before eventually been carded for a foul.

Vicario should have got into a tussel with Dias to bring it to the attention of the ref, the ref has a word with both of them and keeps an eye on the situation from there

Rodri didn't get booked. He could have murdered someone last night and still wouldn't have had a yellow. Tierney allowed them to do what they wanted all game.

Udogie got booked for his first foul, Walker did exactly the same foul less than 5 minutes later and didn't get booked.

Silva didn't get booked for the most cynical foul all night, first half dragging Kulu's jersey off his back.

The game got a little out of his control then, Rodri clattered Romero in the air and still didn't get booked. There was no way he was giving a foul against Vic, soft or not, its still a foul.

 

[spurs mental]

booked Silva

Silva didn't get booked. Pathetic officiating.

 

[Impspur1]

Sorry, Still think it was a goal. I’d be gutted if it was the other way and had been disallowed for us.

 

[McFlash]

I’ve noticed he gets targeted at corners in most matches recently. Last night was blatant throughout, constantly getting pushed off balance as corners taken.

why is no one standing between Vic and the Man City player. It seemed strange to me. Is it because we just mark in zones at set pieces?

Yeah, my lad and I noticed from the very first corner and maybe Vic should have had a word with the ref about it, or a defender should have picked up on it and given him some protection.

I think it was Diaz most of the time, who was literally backing him into the net at every corner, from the very first one.
Maybe Vic needs to be a bit more physical and shove the defender out of the way straight off, catch the refs eye to the fact he's being blocked before the ball comes in?

 

[G Ron]

Silva didn't get booked. Pathetic officiating.

Even worse then - madness!

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Rodri didn't get booked. He could have murdered someone last night and still wouldn't have had a yellow. Tierney allowed them to do what they wanted all game.

Udogie got booked for his first foul, Walker did exactly the same foul less than 5 minutes later and didn't get booked.

Silva didn't get booked for the most cynical foul all night, first half dragging Kulu's jersey off his back.

The game got a little out of his control then, Rodri clattered Romero in the air and still didn't get booked. There was no way he was giving a foul against Vic, soft or not, its still a foul.

Yep we have always been shit at the dark arts and getting in the ear of the ref. We have a lot to learn about ref management. Klopp and Pep are the masters of it.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Sorry, Still think it was a goal. I’d be gutted if it was the other way and had been disallowed for us.

Honestly it’s a foul, when you play in goals the slightest nudges affect the way you can claim the ball if Vicario is stronger and pushes him out the way I guarantee it’s a pen

 

[Tucker]

I’m sorry but tonight’s goal is such a clear foul, I am a keeper and people don’t understand how hard it is already before you add what Dias does to him people saying it’s soft are laughable

He just jumps into him without even trying to get to the ball. It was a clear foul.

 

[UncleBuck]

I’m sorry but tonight’s goal is such a clear foul, I am a keeper and people don’t understand how hard it is already before you add what Dias does to him people saying it’s soft are laughable

Interesting take on it, especially as you say you currently play. I hung up my gloves about fifteen years ago having played at a decent level and it was such a different ball game being a keeper back then which is why I look at that goal and question why a defender wasn’t between the pair of them, especially as it wasn’t the first time it had happened, so for me I didn’t see any reason not to award it.
I don’t understand why there is never a man on the front post and l don’t understand why keepers don’t own the six yard box, players used to be fearful of going in the six yard box and if they did they knew they were going to get a whack.
I just don’t think keepers dominate their area like how they used to and there is too much emphasis on being able to play out from the back as opposed to doing what a keeper should be traditionally good at.
I suppose that’s how the game and modern football have evolved though.

 

[McFlash]

He just jumps into him without even trying to get to the ball. It was a clear foul.

What got me was McCoist say he needed to be stronger.
How strong do you have to be to stop a CB pushing you back when you're in the air? He's not wearing Iron Man boots FFS!

It was a foul for me, obstruction at the very least but the defender just jumps back into him.
It happened all game but the ref either didn't see it, or quite simply just ignored it.

 

[McFlash]

Interesting take on it, especially as you say you currently play. I hung up my gloves about fifteen years ago having played at a decent level and it was such a different ball game being a keeper back then which is why I look at that goal and question why a defender wasn’t between the pair of them, especially as it wasn’t the first time it had happened, so for me I didn’t see any reason not to award it.
I don’t understand why there is never a man on the front post and l don’t understand why keepers don’t own the six yard box, players used to be fearful of going in the six yard box and if they did they knew they were going to get a whack.
I just don’t think keepers dominate their area like how they used to and there is too much emphasis on being able to play out from the back as opposed to doing what a keeper should be traditionally good at.
I suppose that’s how the game and modern football have evolved though.

I totally agree with everything you say, apart from that it wasn't a foul.
It's our own fault really as we could've/should've done so much to stop it from happening.
We should've put someone in there to protect Vic and alerted the ref to what was happening.

Vic just doesn't have the build to bowl through defenders and when they're backing into him in the air, there's not much he can do about it.
It was a foul for me but we shouldn't have let it keep happening.

 

[johnwhitesghost]

Many other days that would be a foul. Today it wasn’t, that’s football.

There’s plenty of other reasons we lost the game that were in our control…midfield and wide forwards come to mind.

 

[yido_number1]

Honestly it’s a foul, when you play in goals the slightest nudges affect the way you can claim the ball if Vicario is stronger and pushes him out the way I guarantee it’s a pen

The one at Burnley was definitely a foul, players are allowed to challenge the ball and I think that's all he did there.

I don't like it but you have to accept he played the ball and vicario needs to do a little better. No criticism of Vic but it's something he'll need to deal with. Anyone saying stick a man between attacker and keeper thinks it's better for him to try and get past two players to claim the ball.

 

[dude573]

It isn't a foul in my opinion. I'd feel very aggrieved if it went against us. I don't know why we didn't put a blocker in between them.

If that happened to a keeper like Martinez or Allison, they would get into a tussle with the attacker and make sure the ref sees it before the corner is taken. I love Vic and he is amazing, but he is still quite an inexperienced keeper at this level.

 

[mil1lion]

It's always been a foul but they've always been soft ones. If they are consistent with it that's ok but they aren't. I genuinely think they allowed it because it was not long after the Luton/Burnley one. Like if they give a foul they're admitting that one wasn't the right call. we need to protect Vicario now those can be allowed and to stick someone on their keeper the other end. Kulusevski would be the ideal as he's great at holding off opponents and doesn't offer an aerial threat.