I specifically watched every corner to see if they were going to do it and they didn't attempt the tactic.
Fair enough.
I specifically watched every corner to see if they were going to do it and they didn't attempt the tactic.
FYI -A “barge” is a subjective term. But honestly I’m not sure what the actual written rules are and what advice referees are given. I just rely on how the rules are being applied generally.
There is actually a move before doing that, if blocked on the line yoy need to step away from thr line, metre off at least, then as the ball is about to be struck, push opponent away, steo back to create your space...I will say that Vicario could do a bit more of what some other top keepers do when they have a man on them at set pieces. Which is to shove the opponent away from them forcefully before the set piece is taken.
I've seen Alisson, Ederson and others do that and they're never penalised.
It also draws the attention of the officials to it before the set piece is taken, helping ensure they're watching out for a foul on the keeper when it is taken.
I said the same after the City one, Vic needs to be shoving the man and calling the refs attention to the problem.I will say that Vicario could do a bit more of what some other top keepers do when they have a man on them at set pieces. Which is to shove the opponent away from them forcefully before the set piece is taken.
I've seen Alisson, Ederson and others do that and they're never penalised.
It also draws the attention of the officials to it before the set piece is taken, helping ensure they're watching out for a foul on the keeper when it is taken.
I haven't seen the game or goals, so have no opinion my self but when City had a goal disallowed v Liverpool for a foul on Alisson, Dermot Gallagher said:Not really. It’s not like it was even a strong barge that led to the goal. We’re literally talking about being backed into.
Brilliant that we’ve got a situation where referees ignore fouls because VAR can overturn them, and VAR ignores fouls because the referee chose to allow them.This was what VAR said about the Diaz goal the other night:
VAR review: We've seen a handful of situations recently where there has been contact between an attacking player and a goalkeeper before a goal.
On each occasion the VAR has chosen not to overrule the decision of the referee, an outcome backed up by the Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents Panel.
Consistency is about the point of the VAR intervention, rather than the final decision.
So they've just stopped caring about this type of situation and it's totally cool now even if the ref doesn't see it
I said the same after the City one, Vic needs to be shoving the man and calling the refs attention to the problem.
Either that or going down before the kick is taken, something to bring the refs attention to him.
Putting a defender in between them could help but it could also be risky in regards to penalties if the defender is seen to be pushing his opponent down, say the oppo player takes a bit of a dive.
I think the problem is that the game has become too over-reffed, too complicated and var also has to shoulder some of the blame. The officials seem to wait on decisions at times, relying on var sorting things out for them.
They've managed to make a simple game far too complicated and nobody knows what the fuck is happening anymore.
Yeah, VAR was supposed to make decisions more consistent, but the opposite has happened.This was what VAR said about the Diaz goal the other night:
VAR review: We've seen a handful of situations recently where there has been contact between an attacking player and a goalkeeper before a goal.
On each occasion the VAR has chosen not to overrule the decision of the referee, an outcome backed up by the Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents Panel.
Consistency is about the point of the VAR intervention, rather than the final decision.
So they've just stopped caring about this type of situation and it's totally cool now even if the ref doesn't see it
It is actually obstruction when you shepherd the ball out - if you are not in position to play the ball.There would be an insane amount of fouls given when players are shepherding the ball out for a corner or throw in if that was true.
Putting a man on the goalkeeper has been a valid tactic for at least as long as I've been alive.
I know but there seems to be a decision made to move all 11 players in to the box, something I don't understand. Hardly conceded from corners before last few games. First one this season was Everton H. Headed out and Gomes shot went in. One v City and today . Cannot think of any more.
People, especially football refs and officials are morons. Introducing tech on top of that was always going to have unintended, negative consequences.Brilliant that we’ve got a situation where referees ignore fouls because VAR can overturn them, and VAR ignores fouls because the referee chose to allow them.
They shouldn't scrap var but they should just use it for offside and to check for handball. Fouls should always be down to the ref because they're an interpretation of the rule. It's not something you need var to be involved with. The ref clearly sees the incident and for some reason allows it. Just poor officiating.Yeah, VAR was supposed to make decisions more consistent, but the opposite has happened.
If it's just going with the onfield decision despite the evidence showing the opposite, what is the point of if?
Time to scrap it IMO, it's taking away from the game but adding nothing.