Player Watch Player Watch: James Maddison

[Impspur1]

Not holding my breath for Maddison. When we shaved money off the Kulu fee i thought that would expedite Raya. Now we've saved money on the Raya deal going for Vicario i fear it is more an emerging trend in line with Dragons sub £15m signings ITK rather than funds to help bridge the gap for

best thing that could happen on this one is that A****al announce a few signings and Levy panics!

You really think that is likely?

 

[Dunc2610]

But who would bring his level of output? Is proven in the league etc.
this is where I just get so frustrated with the club. We have an opportunity to sign big output and we just won’t as per usual pay the money it’s just rinse and repeat season after season and it’s why we are where we are

That worked in the Scottish league but the premier league is a whole other beast.

Maddison is proven in the PL, homegrown, and has pretty much had double goals and assists tallies for the past 4+ years.

One of these hidden gems might take two seasons to get fully up to speed. Whereas, Maddison can hit the ground running straight away.

Haaland wasnt prem proven, Bentancau, Kulu... List goes o ? Not sure that carries the weight so many people think it does. Cheaper but just as good or maybe not cheaper but easier to obtain, but just as good is fine with me! And does it really matter if it takes them a season or two to bed in, nothing to say a prem proven player wouldn't!

 

[Impspur1]

Haaland wasnt prem proven, Bentancau, Kulu... List goes o ? Not sure that carries the weight so many people think it does. Cheaper but just as good or maybe not cheaper but easier to obtain, but just as good is fine with me! And does it really matter if it takes them a season or two to bed in, nothing to say a prem proven player wouldn't!

I think as a fan base we have become obsessed with the amount of spend rather than identifying the right player for our manager and style. I don’t care if we sign a player that’s £15m, if he’s the right fit and the manager wants him then that’s fine by me

 

[chas vs dave]

It is creativity too. I watched us offer nothing in a few games last season but spam crosses. There were games where you shut down Kane we have nothing. We absolutely need passing creativity and someone other than Kane who can unlock defences.

I'd say that was as much to do with the set up. We were so deep and negative last season, that son and kulu couldn't affect the game in the final 3rd. Imo

Yes, we need another AM, but CB is the priority imo.

 

[sidford]

So he's keen to come here but just like Raya we won't pay what his club is looking for so will take another option that is riskier and cheaper?!
He's home grown, proven premier League player in a position we really need but we won't sign him.

Nothing changes

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I’m not as convinced as others that we need him.

If you watch todays Sensible Transfers video from Tifo, they suggest exactly what I’ve been thinking, which is to move Deki to the 8 role (De Bruyne role) and instead spend our money on 2 quick wide players who are strong dribblers. They suggest Jota and Nico Williams who are both on my list.

Instead of signing Maddison, we push Deki inside where I think he can really thrive. Deki is also an excellent presser. It then gives us way more pace and dribbling ability out wide.

I’m not convinced Maddison is the right fit for Ange’s system anyway.

 

[Dunc2610]

So he's keen to come here but just like Raya we won't pay what his club is looking for so will take another option that is riskier and cheaper?!
He's home grown, proven premier League player in a position we really need but we won't sign him.

Nothing changes

You don't know the alternative will be riskier or cheaper, it might just be an easier deal to do. And as I've said the prem proven thing isn't the most important thing, or even important at all.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

I think as a fan base we have become obsessed with the amount of spend rather than identifying the right player for our manager and style. I don’t care if we sign a player that’s £15m, if he’s the right fit and the manager wants him then that’s fine by me

For me, the main concern isn't the amount of money spent. It's Levy's involvement that's so worrying. I wouldn't be surprised if a fair few people share my concern.

 

[Styopa]

I'd rather we spent big in defence personally because that is where the biggest need is in the squad.

This assumes we approach transfers like there is a set pot of cash each summer, and by saving 20 million on this deal, we can spend 20 million more on that deal. But I see very little evidence suggesting this is the case.

I think we approach every deal in more or less the same way, irrespective of how much we 'saved' or not in previous deals. For sure, we will have budgets, but just because we save money on a GK and AM does not mean we will use that 'extra' cash to splash out on a new CB.

 

[Guntz]

Haaland wasnt prem proven, Bentancau, Kulu... List goes o ? Not sure that carries the weight so many people think it does. Cheaper but just as good or maybe not cheaper but easier to obtain, but just as good is fine with me! And does it really matter if it takes them a season or two to bed in, nothing to say a prem proven player wouldn't!

You just listed a generational talent and yes whilst there are exceptions to the rule. The fact is the majority of our major signings who have come from outside the PL have flopped massively.

Lo Celso
Ndombele
Gil
Perisic
Bergwijn

We were at our best under Poch when we were signing PL proven players.

 

[RobjDerby]

The prem proven\ not proven stuff is irrelevant.

Signing the right\wrong player for the right\wrong manager who plays the right\wrong system. (and if that manager even wants that player) is the issue.
Which is why we have that LONG list of players being successful after leaving THFC
Performing in a dysfunctional team or club is almost impossible (where Harry is always the exception)

Get aligned, do what Ange wants. (or dont and see History repeat itself)

 

[Mr Pink]

Wouldn't put an awful lot behind Romano's choice of phrases.

You should read these sorts of tweets as "we're interested in Maddison".

Tbh I don't differentiate much between what anyone is saying, regardless.

 

[HildoSpur]

You just listed a generational talent and yes whilst there are exceptions to the rule. The fact is the majority of our major signings who have come from outside the PL have flopped massively.

Lo Celso
Ndombele
Gil
Perisic
Bergwijn

We were at our best under Poch when we were signing PL proven players.

Lloris, Bentancur, Kulu, Emerson, Eriksen, Son, Romero, Lucas have all been successful and none of them came as PL proven. I'd say the majority of our signings from outside the PL have been a success or at least it's pretty close to 50-50 at worst. Every transfer is a gamble.

 

[Dunc2610]

You just listed a generational talent and yes whilst there are exceptions to the rule. The fact is the majority of our major signings who have come from outside the PL have flopped massively.

Lo Celso
Ndombele
Gil
Perisic
Bergwijn

We were at our best under Poch when we were signing PL proven players.

So Bents, Kulu, Lloris, Sonny, Dele, Eriksen, Fruend, all flops?

 

[Styopa]

Lloris, Bentancur, Kulu, Emerson, Eriksen, Son, Romero, Lucas have all been successful and none of them came as PL proven. I'd say the majority of our signings from outside the PL have been a success or at least it's pretty close to 50-50 at worst. Every transfer is a gamble.

So Bents, Kulu, Lloris, Sonny, Dele, Eriksen, Fruend, all flops?

Berbatov, Modric, VDV etc. the list goes on.

Some of our best-ever players have been signed from outside the Premier League.

 

[mil1lion]

That worked in the Scottish league but the premier league is a whole other beast.

Maddison is proven in the PL, homegrown, and has pretty much had double goals and assists tallies for the past 4+ years.

One of these hidden gems might take two seasons to get fully up to speed. Whereas, Maddison can hit the ground running straight away.

Bentancur and Kulusevski hit the ground running while Bissouma and Richarlison struggled. It's not always the case.

 

[Roberts84]

So he's keen to come here but just like Raya we won't pay what his club is looking for so will take another option that is riskier and cheaper?!
He's home grown, proven premier League player in a position we really need but we won't sign him.

Nothing changes

We don’t know what’s really going on. We know the club like him but he may not be our number one target for that position. Leicester may also being unrealistic in what they want.
Who knows they only thing that we do know is that we have a fair few positions that we need to recruit for.

 

[Trix]

I’m not as convinced as others that we need him.

If you watch todays Sensible Transfers video from Tifo, they suggest exactly what I’ve been thinking, which is to move Deki to the 8 role (De Bruyne role) and instead spend our money on 2 quick wide players who are strong dribblers. They suggest Jota and Nico Williams who are both on my list.

Instead of signing Maddison, we push Deki inside where I think he can really thrive. Deki is also an excellent presser. It then gives us way more pace and dribbling ability out wide.

I’m not convinced Maddison is the right fit for Ange’s system anyway.

I tend to agree. Kane isn't a quick aggressive presser can we afford another in the side?

 

[Guntz]

Berbatov, Modric, VDV etc. the list goes on.

Some of our best-ever players have been signed from outside the Premier League.

As I said there’s always exceptions to the rule.

I just think we won’t get anyone better than Maddison. We may have been able to cut costs with the GK, but sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and pay the extra £10-£15m for a player who is a proven quantity in a priority position.

We’ll just have to see what happens I guess

 

[Impspur1]

Berbatov, Modric, VDV etc. the list goes on.

Some of our best-ever players have been signed from outside the Premier League.

And the cost of those players too….. none were expensive