Player Watch Player Watch: James Maddison

[septicsac]

Can we cut it out with the name calling? We're not insecure kids in a schoolyard, are we? Let's talk about people with respect. It doesn't matter if you think he's lazy or whatever, you don't know the man and the reasons he is as he is. It's getting tiresome, really.

When he proves otherwise he will get respect, all I see is a sponge who took all the money but delivered little in return, Ndombele one of the premiership greatest flop , up there with Pepe at the gooners, or is the gonners a bad name too

 

[tubbygold]

When he proves otherwise he will get respect, all I see is a sponge who took all the money but delivered little in return, Ndombele one of the premiership greatest flop , up there with Pepe at the gooners, or is the gonners a bad name too

That's really quite irrelevant. First of all, he's a human being. A person. Just because you see it all from your weird little view of football entertainment, doesn't mean he's not actually a real person. We all agree he's not what we hoped, and we're all disappointed. But it's not his fault we didn't scout him well enough, so let's leave it at that, instead of acting like snotty little rich kids, throwing the toy they didn't want out of the pram.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Because what you are doing is taking every comment on its individual merits instead of thinking we'll surely the whole football fraternity can't be wrong can they?. As I've said before if even only 25% of what comes out is actually true(and that figure is very very conservative imo) it's still far far too much. You say you are being balanced, I'd say you very much to tip the Ballance the other way. There can't be "what ifs" and truth in hypothetical workarounds for everything the club does badly, when we are in the state we are. Yet you seem to come up with one for every scenario.

You think you are providing balance, you're not, your providing excuses based on there not being 100% cast iron proof.

If there is no ‘cast iron proof’ as you put it, then I’m never going to join the outrage party. As I’ve said in here many times, there are too many agendas at play for me to take any information we receive at face value. Too many people twisting everything to a negative because essentially they are just pissed off that we’ve had a shit few seasons.

I’ve criticised Levy on here many times but I refuse to do it based on speculation and hearsay. I’ll do it on the outcome of his decision making.

 

[Trix]

If there is no ‘cast iron proof’ as you put it, then I’m never going to join the outrage party. As I’ve said in here many times, there are too many agendas at play for me to take any information we receive at face value. Too many people twisting everything to a negative because essentially they are just pissed off that we’ve had a shit few seasons.

I’ve criticised Levy on here many times but I refuse to do it based on speculation and hearsay. I’ll do it on the outcome of his decision making.

And yet you don't, you make excuses and try to come up with positive reasons for why he does what he does.

Anyway that's enough of this on to something more productive like training cats to be like dogs.

 

[Whazam]

If there is no ‘cast iron proof’ as you put it, then I’m never going to join the outrage party. As I’ve said in here many times, there are too many agendas at play for me to take any information we receive at face value. Too many people twisting everything to a negative because essentially they are just pissed off that we’ve had a shit few seasons.

I’ve criticised Levy on here many times but I refuse to do it based on speculation and hearsay. I’ll do it on the outcome of his decision making.

Your perspective is appreciated, mate. Even if a lot does come across as excuses, there are far more people here who dismiss the positives and find workarounds to validate their anger than there are people who try to find explanations for the negatives. In that regard, you do provide balance in the constant outrage over everything and nothing.

Also, you said that you are trying to keep a balanced perspective, not claiming that you always have it. And trying to do that is very much the sane and healthy thing to do when we are rarely dealing with facts.

Edit: Sorry for going off topic. Just trying to provide some... balance.

 

[1882andallthat]

How do you know ‘No-one was really and seriously competing with us to sign Ndombele or Richarlison’ ? Or have you just come to that conclusion because it doesn’t fit your argument?

If we're talking PL clubs I honestly can't think of one other club that was willing to pay the prices we were paying for Ndombele or Richarlison. If you're going to suggest Arsenal were with Richarlison, why didn't they ? They were more interested in Jesus. If there was other interest for both it wasn't so obvious at the time.

The point I'm making here is that there is obvious interest from other PL for Maddison, and if two to 3 other clubs express an interest and will pay the market rate we've got very little chance of getting him because of the way we and more specifically Levy operates. These represent excellent opportunities to improve our squad that I believe we will lose out on because of the way Levy operates and because there are obvious competitors for his signature. I'm not talking Man City either.

I'm not going to change my mind on that and I've been consistent with that view on my exchanges with you. You have your views and I have mine. We will have to agree to disagree I'm guessing

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

And yet you don't, you make excuses and try to come up with positive reasons for why he does what he does.

Anyway that's enough of this on to something more productive like training cats to be like dogs.

Ha! You really are stuck on this ‘making excuses’ shit to try and disregard me attempting to see things objectively. It must be difficult for you recognise objectivity you’re that far gone.

You saying I make excuses for Levy, just strengthens my view that the opposite is true of you - twisting information to fit your anti-levy agenda at every opportunity. We don’t agree. Let’s just leave it at that.

 

[RuskyM]

He thought Wilshere was 10x the player Bale is, and therefore all his talent is irrelevant. No man with judgement that bad can be the answer.

 

[HoltbiusMac]

He thought Wilshere was 10x the player Bale is, and therefore all his talent is irrelevant. No man with judgement that bad can be the answer.

I mean if we want him to agree to join Spurs right now then him having bad judgement is probably our best hope.

 

[septicsac]

That's really quite irrelevant. First of all, he's a human being. A person. Just because you see it all from your weird little view of football entertainment, doesn't mean he's not actually a real person. We all agree he's not what we hoped, and we're all disappointed. But it's not his fault we didn't scout him well enough, so let's leave it at that, instead of acting like snotty little rich kids, throwing the toy they didn't want out of the pram.

If you don't like it then use the ignore button. Either way, it's getting off topic so I'm done with this.

 

[ajspurs]

I think if we miss out on him there's practically zero chance we sign a player in his position with close to his output. He's top class in that regard.

However, I do think that it wouldn't be the end of the world as he's not exactly brilliant off the ball and with Kane and Son getting on, maybe what we actually need right now is someone more mobile and tenacious in that position. A player more in the mould of the peak Liverpool midfielders under Klopp, perhaps.

Yeah I think that's a pretty fair point to be honest. I guess it depends on who our targets are if we don't get Maddison too. Not that creative (in some aspect) players won't be necessary at all but It's nice to think that we have a coach who may set us up in a way where our creativity may come from our play as a team rather than one individual being the primary source. We had some really poor and disjointed performances under Poch whenever Eriksen wasn't present.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

If there is no ‘cast iron proof’ as you put it, then I’m never going to join the outrage party. As I’ve said in here many times, there are too many agendas at play for me to take any information we receive at face value. Too many people twisting everything to a negative because essentially they are just pissed off that we’ve had a shit few seasons.

I’ve criticised Levy on here many times but I refuse to do it based on speculation and hearsay. I’ll do it on the outcome of his decision making.

Good points and completely agree that like you, I’ve heavily criticised Levy especially the last 3 seasons but there are some as you say who don’t see things objectively or in a balanced way and twist everything to do with Levy negatively, for example I’m praising him and the board big time on the appointment of Big Ange and the fact he’s been signed on a 4 year contract both very positive steps for many reasons but some on here refuse to give him credit and just doom monger that Levy won’t give Ange what he wants etc, as you say who knows and let’s see.

Altho this convo is really for the Levy thread not the Maddison one it relates to Maddison in that objectively we’ve had ITK that we are interested and that he is part of an agency who our club has a good relationship with, now that doesn’t by any means it’s a done deal that he’s coming to us but it also doesn’t mean it has zero chance of happening because of Levy, that’s a very simplistic view and spinning the narrative to everything Levy does is negative.

Like you mate I like to see both sides of the coin so to speak, to criticise where nessercary and deserved and to praise also when deserved and to judge based more so on fact rather than often biased opinion.

 

[EQP]

I would argue Maddison is more important than a CB

We were the 5th highest goal scorers in the league with 70 goals and 6th highest on goals conceded with 63 goals - It's rather clear to me that CB's are the priority over securing Maddison.

 

[TheChosenOne]

We were the 5th highest goals scorers in the league with 70 goals and 6th highest on goals conceded with 63 goals - It's rather clear to me that CB's are the priority over securing Maddison.

Same as it ever was.

 

[daveduvet]

Same as it ever was.

Great song

 

[SpursSince1980]

Same as it ever was.

It’s a collection philosophy though, isn’t it? Unquestionably, we need very good, reliable defensive players. But be a great defensive team is a collective style of play.

We all agree that nearly every game our midfield was overrun. This tactic to put more bodies between the back and the attack was something a non league manager could spot. Namely, a front three who did very little to close the gap. Not helped by tactics that isolated our lazy front 3.

You can count on one hand how many teams we truly dominated from start to finish this year.

Which makes the likes of Maddison just as important as a great LCB. As the best defensive teams start from the front. Whereas our lot, usually often were overwhelmed in seconds. Typically anyone who started in that 3 were lacking. Not helped by a bizarre low block with acres of space to expoit, make even easier by three attackers who spent large chunks of matches plodding along.

Conte has many flaws. But then again, I think four or five outfield players refused to carry them out.

 

[nedley]

Can we cut it out with the name calling? We're not insecure kids in a schoolyard, are we? Let's talk about people with respect. It doesn't matter if you think he's lazy or whatever, you don't know the man and the reasons he is as he is. It's getting tiresome, really.

No problem Tubs.

 

[spursfan77]

This just feels like a deal that will happen this summer. We have one every window.

 

[branchie]

This just feels like a deal that will happen this summer. We have one every window.

Best post that in every thread just to make sure

 

[Wig]

This just feels like a deal that will happen this summer. We have one every window.

Apart from summer 2018.