Player Watch - Japhet Tanganga

[marion52]

When he first played he was great, he looked really promising.
Like Skipp a loan could be beneficial and take the pressure off him a bit, as others have said he’s still young

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

I was super impressed with Japhet in his cameo appearances over the last couple of years but it's obvious this year his progress has stalled. I'm not massively surprised; he's chopped and changed positions and roles considerably. I think there's a player in there and at only 22 we owe it to him to get a Skipp-esque loan: a place where he can play every week and really consolidate his skillset. It can't be easy for a young defender to come in and play all across the defence for a couple of games here and there and continue to develop.

 

[AngryBob]

Trent is 23 and Reece James is 22… I think its clear the difference in talent and ability within this age group compared to Japhet. We won’t be challenging or competing against anyone if we don’t raise the standards and expect a higher level of ability from the homegrown talent. He’s already two years off being anywhere near as good as those two and we can’t be happy to sit and wait. We need the cash and to reinvest quickly, we’ve sat back and waited for ‘talent’ to blossom before and it’s rarely worked out. He’s not reliable as a squad player atm and with Conte we need to make bold, impactful, difficult decisions to benefit.

And if we’re not getting the best out of japhet, I’d rather let the lad go and build a career at Juve, what an opportunity for him. It’s in the best interest in all parties and we need to focus on what impacts us today rather than worrying about a future that maye never materialise. If we do gain some success then that will inevitably improve our ability to recruit and develop young talent in the future so it could benefit us in the long term.

 

[dbspurs]

Have to be ruthless.

Japh isn’t the required level so needs to go (along with all of the other shite). It’s that simple.

This should be the way it is. Zero tolerance.

Are they likely to be at the required level in the next 12 months? If the answer is no then we need to sell and replace with someone who is.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Trent is 23 and Reece James is 22… I think its clear the difference in talent and ability within this age group compared to Japhet. We won’t be challenging or competing against anyone if we don’t raise the standards and expect a higher level of ability from the homegrown talent. He’s already two years off being anywhere near as good as those two and we can’t be happy to sit and wait. We need the cash and to reinvest quickly, we’ve sat back and waited for ‘talent’ to blossom before and it’s rarely worked out. He’s not reliable as a squad player atm and with Conte we need to make bold, impactful, difficult decisions to benefit.

And if we’re not getting the best out of japhet, I’d rather let the lad go and build a career at Juve, what an opportunity for him. It’s in the best interest in all parties and we need to focus on what impacts us today rather than worrying about a future that maye never materialise. If we do gain some success then that will inevitably improve our ability to recruit and develop young talent in the future so it could benefit us in the long term.

I'm not making excuses for Japh. But put them at CB & then compare.

He's been poor lately & we could absolutely have better options. But why would I/we compare a CB who has been played in pretty much every position across the defensive line, with 2 extremely talented & specialist FBs?

 

[Hotspur33]

I've been wondering why it is that Japhet had been given plenty of opportunities at Spurs, whilst Cameron Carter-Vickers hasn't.
Vickers has had quite a few successful loans yet never gets a look in. Now I'm wondering if it is simply the case that Tanganga is happy to be at Spurs as a squad player whilst maybe CCV is more ambitious and maybe doesn't have as much of a connection to Spurs.

 

[Timberwolf]

I'm not making excuses for Japh. But put them at CB & then compare.

He's been poor lately & we could absolutely have better options. But why would I/we compare a CB who has been played in pretty much every position across the defensive line, with 2 extremely talented & specialist FBs?

Reece James also got a full season on loan at Wigan, while Trent has been a first team regular for Liverpool for years.

I don't think Tanganga is anywhere near as talented as those two, but equally he's never ever consistently played in the same position or been given a run of starts. Must be a nightmare for a young player in a high responsibility position like CB to have zero rhythm or continuity.

He needs a loan ASAP - at least that way we can assess what his true level is likely to be. I doubt he'll make it at Spurs personally, but I also don't think it's useful to judge him solely on the past week's performances.

 

[al_pacino]

I find it interesting that the player thread with the most activity after a game where the team didn't score and didn't look like scoring is a defender. Sure Tanganga can take his considerable share of blame for the goals conceded but over 180 minutes the team didn't lay a glove on Chelsea. They didn't look much better going forward against Morecambe either so this side of the team is clearly the far bigger issue.

 

[AngryBob]

I'm not making excuses for Japh. But put them at CB & then compare.

He's been poor lately & we could absolutely have better options. But why would I/we compare a CB who has been played in pretty much every position across the defensive line, with 2 extremely talented & specialist FBs?

It’s a fair point, though even when played in his natural position of RB he isn’t anywhere near the standard. The point is about home grown talent and expecting more, we declare that he is an great prospect, but when compared to others in his age group he just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Talent shines through and stands out but I don’t see enough with him and don’t thinks it’s wise to pin our hopes on him as the future when we need impact now and his sale or swap could go a long way to aiding that.

 

[DannyNZ]

I've been wondering why it is that Japhet had been given plenty of opportunities at Spurs, whilst Cameron Carter-Vickers hasn't.
Vickers has had quite a few successful loans yet never gets a look in. Now I'm wondering if it is simply the case that Tanganga is happy to be at Spurs as a squad player whilst maybe CCV is more ambitious and maybe doesn't have as much of a connection to Spurs.

My view is there is more about CCV than Japhet. Japhet might have a higher ceiling, that is a big might, but i couldn’t see Japhet leading the defence for even Celtic right now.

 

[Kingellesar]

I think a loan would be great for him, I don't think he is good enough for us right now but a year on loan to a lower prem team or a championship team could be beneficial. It did Skipp a lot of good.

 

[dude573]

I find it interesting that the player thread with the most activity after a game where the team didn't score and didn't look like scoring is a defender. Sure Tanganga can take his considerable share of blame for the goals conceded but over 180 minutes the team didn't lay a glove on Chelsea. They didn't look much better going forward against Morecambe either so this side of the team is clearly the far bigger issue.

But we did look like scoring in the second half?

I am not piling on Tanganga, but there is no getting away from his past three performances which have been terrible. Two own goals which he created and two goals conceded from corners where he loses his man. His defensive mistakes are one of our biggest issues at the moment and if he starts against Arsenal we could be serious in trouble. The kid is desperate for a loan.

 

[theShiznit]

I was never impressed by CCV, always looked slow and cumbersome and turned like a shark.
With YT we have seen glimpses of quality (mainly at RB) but he seems to suffer from the same flaws all our defenders do which is ball watching whilst men run off them, it's staggering the amount of times we lose men from simple short through balls and from one long ball over the top. More so than the rest though, he definitely needs to work on his marking from set pieces (or at least his grabbing skills)

I haven't written YT off just yet, and would prefer a loan to an outright sale at this point.

 

[BC11]

Trent is 23 and Reece James is 22… I think its clear the difference in talent and ability within this age group compared to Japhet. We won’t be challenging or competing against anyone if we don’t raise the standards and expect a higher level of ability from the homegrown talent. He’s already two years off being anywhere near as good as those two and we can’t be happy to sit and wait. We need the cash and to reinvest quickly, we’ve sat back and waited for ‘talent’ to blossom before and it’s rarely worked out. He’s not reliable as a squad player atm and with Conte we need to make bold, impactful, difficult decisions to benefit.

And if we’re not getting the best out of japhet, I’d rather let the lad go and build a career at Juve, what an opportunity for him. It’s in the best interest in all parties and we need to focus on what impacts us today rather than worrying about a future that maye never materialise. If we do gain some success then that will inevitably improve our ability to recruit and develop young talent in the future so it could benefit us in the long term.

Yeah, great idea. We should sell him because he isn't as good as two of the very best right-backs in the world.

 

[AngryBob]

Yeah, great idea. We should sell him because he isn't as good as two of the very best right-backs in the world.

Slight over reaction.
He’s way down the list of people who need to be sold, and I would prefer to see him stay. However as reported, rightly or wrongly and on the basis of his recent performances I would turn my nose up at some of the offers that have been reported as they could have a greater impact on the team today than rejecting them on the hope that he would come good. I’d be willing to sacrifice him for the sake of improving the squad, rather than keeping him juts because he’s homegrown and one of the very few that have made it into the first team. The comparison with Trent and James is that they are of a similar age yet greater talent and as they are today have a much more positive impact at their clubs, so we shouldn’t be as emotionally blinded by japh and consider offers which could benefit us today.

 

[C1w8]

I'm not making excuses for Japh. But put them at CB & then compare.

He's been poor lately & we could absolutely have better options. But why would I/we compare a CB who has been played in pretty much every position across the defensive line, with 2 extremely talented & specialist FBs?

Might not be all his fault that he's not been given a specialist role, and he's not had great luck with injuries either but the point does hold that he should be further down the line at 23....James and TAA being great examples of when you really hit on an academy prospect.

Defo should get some game time somewhere but personally i wouldnt feel great about throwing him into our line up for the rest of the season to do so, so maybe a loan but if the money is right exploring a sale opportunity wouoldn't be a bad move either.

Keeping him in our squad on the bench getting the odd game here and there would be the least productive use of his time for his own development, imo.

 

[amathews3416]

We screwed up his development. Really needed a full season or two in championship playing CB for 40+ games.

 

[al_pacino]

But we did look like scoring in the second half?

I am not piling on Tanganga, but there is no getting away from his past three performances which have been terrible. Two own goals which he created and two goals conceded from corners where he loses his man. His defensive mistakes are one of our biggest issues at the moment and if he starts against Arsenal we could be serious in trouble. The kid is desperate for a loan.

That's kind of my point though. We got in loads of good positions and kept fucking it up. Over two legs of football the quality of attacking football has been miles off. As I wrote in the match thread it almost looked like the team were trying not to score.

I wouldn't be putting so much blame for this goal either. The keeper and whatever joker gave the ball away on the edge of the box take most responsibility.

 

[Caul_Shivers]

A loan would be great for him: massive confidence and experience boost + it could add to his value.
He would be okay for Brentford or Leeds

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

We screwed up his development. Really needed a full season or two in championship playing CB for 40+ games.

You can send him off for 100+ games and he’ll still be way off the level needed to be in a squad aspiring for top 4