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Player Watch: Pierre-Emile Højbjerg

BuckeyeSpurs11

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If he's the limit of our realistic options I'd say it indicates that we're throwing the towel in when it comes to putting in a decent challenge in the EPL. We've dropped off any kind of ambition on that front anyway and it seems that the finances won't be sanctioned to reverse that trend. Will be interesting to see if other clubs will be guarding their bank balances as aggressively or whether they'll invest in the entertainment side. Seems like we failed on the final push to the summit with Poch and have now decided to bugger off back to base camp.

I would tend to agree but this is the sort of business we've always done. This isn't too different than signing Wanyama for 12m because he had a low release clause and him being a key player for us. Who is to say with new fullbacks, PEH and a backup striker that we arent contending for top spots? We will always live within our means in the market and hope for the best.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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Then suddenly why he was bad for utd and everton?

Because maybe he wasn't good enough to step up?

Maybe he felt more comfortable in the environment at Saints and fit the system well?

There are many reasons players succeed or flop at new clubs, it's not always black and white that they are great or shit players.
 

mr ashley

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I would trust the opinion of Jose Mourinho over two Saints fans - particularly when you read this site and see how quickly we can turn on a player or how harshly negative we can be about our own. Jose more than anything needs his holding midfielder to be a player tough in the tackle and good at breaking up play which PEH has proven to be solid at both.
Agree, can’t trust the judgement of fans. Too wide a range of opinions, and Southampton fans do get a little upset when their players are linked to the big boys, so no surprise they’re saying he’s useless.
Don’t forget how this place turned on Eriksen once he revealed he was thinking of leaving
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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I would tend to agree but this is the sort of business we've always done. This isn't too different than signing Wanyama for 12m because he had a low release clause and him being a key player for us. Who is to say with new fullbacks, PEH and a backup striker that we arent contending for top spots? We will always live within our means in the market and hope for the best.

I was a massive Wanyama fan and was happy when we signed him from Southampton, so it's certainly not a case of me turning my nose up at players from lower clubs. I just have genuine concerns about the qualities of Hojbjerg and whether he is good enough.

I'll be delighted if he comes in and develops in to a great player for us.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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Agree, can’t trust the judgement of fans. Too wide a range of opinions, and Southampton fans do get a little upset when their players are linked to the big boys, so no surprise they’re saying he’s useless.
Don’t forget how this place turned on Eriksen once he revealed he was thinking of leaving

That's the reason I only found opinions from BEFORE the contract fiasco. So we could judge what they thought before all that.
 

mr ashley

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That's the reason I only found opinions from BEFORE the contract fiasco. So we could judge what they thought before all that.
Oh fair enough, didn’t read that bit sorry
Still, seeing the variety of views on our players- take Davies for example. A solid player who’s proven that he can play at CL level, still gets dogs abuse.
Fans views not always reliable
 

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They really don't rate him at Sainstweb, even before transfer rumors. Everyone is saying he struggles with making longer than 5 yard passes and likes to return passes back to defenders rather than make forward passes. Reads much like Sissoko, Winks and Dier (when at DM) threads. I know some of them were negative about Wanyama and Toby but plenty of posters rated them and were upset, with him it seems like everyone is on the same page and don't really rate him. His defensive stats are good though, he has leadership qualities, their coach is good and rates him, and he wouldn't be first Danish player to play subpar in last year of the contract while looking for a new team. Didn't watch enough to really comment about his ability but I'm not too excited about him (or against signing him). We'll see what happens.
 

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This is quite clearly a player Jose wants in the price range we can afford.
Even if Jose has worked with the best we’re clearly not in the Ferrari, Rolls Royce bracket here, he’s just picking his ‘best’ from a much lower shelf than ‘the best in the world’.
No need to dress this one up.
We didn’t bring in the top calibre of player when we we consistently CL. Now, Following a global pandemic and mid table form we are going to be struggling to get close to any of the best
 

Japhet

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I would tend to agree but this is the sort of business we've always done. This isn't too different than signing Wanyama for 12m because he had a low release clause and him being a key player for us. Who is to say with new fullbacks, PEH and a backup striker that we arent contending for top spots? We will always live within our means in the market and hope for the best.


Agree with you about living within our means and hoping for the best, and that it's probably a pretty good indicator of the dearth of any major success for decades. Even when we get close we falter at the finish line and then don't spend a few quid to get us over the line. No reason to think that's about to change.
 

BuckeyeSpurs11

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Agree with you about living within our means and hoping for the best, and that it's probably a pretty good indicator of the dearth of any major success for decades. Even when we get close we falter at the finish line and then don't spend a few quid to get us over the line. No reason to think that's about to change.
we spent 175m in one summer but it was 3 or 4 transfer windows too late from when the impact could have been maximized - missed a golden opportunity.
 

Japhet

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we spent 175m in one summer but it was 3 or 4 transfer windows too late from when the impact could have been maximized - missed a golden opportunity.

Don't think I'll ever work that one out. Whether it was Poch or Levy who halted our recruitment doesn't matter. It really was a kick in the nuts for our aspirations and chances to build on the foundations that were laid.
 

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Yeah being in Southampton I spoke to a few Saints supporting friends of mine the other day and I said I want us to sign Hojberg and their reply was a laugh followed by "no you don't" :ROFLMAO: I was about to argue why but then I just thought it was pointless to do so with people who have watched him 100 times more than me.

I am still in the camp of like recently said in here, if Jose wants him I'd trust Jose's judgement. Plus I still think he has attributes that we're certainly missing as a team. After Ndombele I'm also not sure how willing we are to spend big money on talent from other leagues at this moment in time either. Not that one player of such sets a theme for everyone but I wouldn't be surprised if we wanted to primarily make mostly 'safe and sure' signings at this moment in time.
 

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They really don't rate him at Sainstweb, even before transfer rumors. Everyone is saying he struggles with making longer than 5 yard passes and likes to return passes back to defenders rather than make forward passes.
Checked his matches this season against us with data available - ~60% forward, looks like of that backwards not too many to defenders.
He's also averaging more progressive passes per 90 than Neves, Rice, Berge.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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On his passing ability, it's not just the stats, it's what I have seen and this is backed up by Saints fans.

I've found an example here on Saintsweb from September-October 2019 before his contract stuff before anyone mentions that they are just complaining because he's leaving.

'Watched him quite a bit in the game before last and he has a tendency to play with his head down and tries to muscle (best way I can describe it) his passing. It's almost as if he's a step behind and has to rush what he's doing. You get what you pay for though, if you look at those players at City and Liverpool who pass and move effortlessly, they also cost 4-5 times what Hoj did. '

'I've always said Hoj's biggest weakness is his passing it's always been very poor. Anytime he has to do more than lay off a 5 yard pass he seems to struggle. His passing was like that long before Ralph turned up with his play the ball forward quickly philosophy. '

'Probably just me but I have never seen why all the fuss and gushing about PEH. Quite often when watching he seems to give the ball away and set the opposition up for a counter attack. His passing is dreadful and puts us under pressure too much. Romeu seems to have fixed that and be back to his best. Not sure if PEH has reached his ceiling - an adequate, but not good and certainly not great, player.

Certainly cannot see why any top teams would be seriously taking a look at him.'

'we have never adequately replaced Schneiderlin as holding midfielder.'

'Massively overrated player. Said it for ages he just works hard similar to Long, no quality. '

'Never rated him I have seen lads at 5 aside able to pass a football better... Overrated by many I call it how it is he is crap and offers nothing... Change my mind. '





This is the opinion of two saints fans I know too. They always mention how poor he is on the ball and how cheaply he gives it away.



I think his ball winning ability is good but if we have aspirations of being a top 4 club and more again, he needs to be comfortable in possession, we can't afford another player who can't pass the ball properly or constructively.

So his weakest area isn’t his passing according to these guys but people forget that his job at our club could and probably will differ to that he’s been doing at Southampton. Would he be expected to be a passing midfielder or wouldn’t his role be to sit in front of the back four and to utilise his recovery numbers in order to release players like Lo Celso etc from having to do it a self much. It’s all about the right fit to get the best out of the 10 that will be around him.
 

arunspurs

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Lets keep it simple...

Age : 24✅ :Still can be moulded & room for improvement

PL Experience : 4 Years ✅ No need for getting up to speed

Leadership : Club Captain ✅ Hassenhuttl, walks into job with club in relegation fight - 2nd game, picks 22 yr old Hojbjerg as club captain

International : Danish International from 2014. Already has 33 caps.

Youth Pedigree : Bayern Academy ✅. Should dispense any thought that he is not good on ball. Bayern doesnt give senior contract in 10months of joining, to youth players who aren't good on ball.

Managers Played under : Pep & Hassenhuttl.✅ Pep wrote about him on his book, saying he wanted to train Hojbjerg to take up the role like Busquets. Played under Pep more than a year and Pep gave him the senior cap ahead of other promising youth players. Came into the DFB Pokkal cup finals, played in a unfamilar RB role & eventually lifted the cup. Tactically, I bet, he should be well aware and able to understand and execute. Otherwise Pep isnt playing him.

Transfer Fee : On last year of his contract ✅. We should be able to get him for a considerably low fee.

It is going to be damn hard to get a player with such qualities, given our situation.

We have done so many risk transfers in the past. This, am very certain, won't be a failure.
Hojbjerg is an upgrade on what we have in squad for the position and can improve under Mourinho given age is on his side.
 

joey55

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Selling Ndombele and replacing him with a DM only still leaves a big hole in midfield because we'd be back to the problem of only having one player (Lo Celso = Eriksen) in midfield capable of passing the ball.

What is to stop is selling other players to fill other gaps? If we don't have much of a transfer budget, we are going to have to be creative.

I really like Lo Celso as a CM. To be honest I was against us signing him, as I didn't think he offered enough as an attacking play maker. He scored a few penalties which skewed his stats a bit. But in terms of chance creation, he only made 0.8 per game at Betis, which is nowhere near enough to replace Eriksen. As it turns out, for us, he's played deeper, which I think he did as PSG and I think he's been excellent. He's got everything you'd want in a creative CM, as he works hard, is aggressive, can pass, dribble, is quite quick and will eventually chip in with goals. I see him as playing the role we signed NDombele for.

If Utd don't go for Grealish, I'd gladly let both Ali and Lamela go, if we were able to use the money to bring him in.

Ultimately people can waste all the time they like the Mourinho and tactics discussion threads, but at the end of the day, it's always about players and to get those of necessary quality needed to challenge the top teams, we might well have to sacrifice players we ordinarily wouldn't. I think to bring in quality we are going to have to be ruthless and some names people don't want to see go, will have to.

We've already increased our attacking number with Bergwijn. So I think we can let 2 of Lamela, Lucas and Ali go, if it means we can bring in a player who can open teams up, which we've been struggling to do. Grealish and Maddison etc, are going to be out of our reach unless we get creative and are prepared to swap (not necessarily directly as those deals are always hard.) I'd love to see Lo Celso in a team with another player with similar attributes. Quite often City play with both of the Silva's and Bruyne. Anyone of those would be our best creative players, so I think we've got to get real and look at that sort of quality and be prepared to let the likes of Ali and Lamela leave, if it gives us the opportunity to sign one of the current most creative players in the league. I think the same it true in the DM role. We need a real quality DM at the base of our midfield, so we might have to be prepared to sell NDombele to get one.

Though I suspect we'll end up with PEH and Eze and wonder why we don't challenge, or rather it will be blamed on Mourinho's tactics etc.

It's amazing how Klopp's tactics clicked after they made a string on incredible signings and how Poch's suddenly stopped working after our best players aged and we signed some average players!
 

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To be fair, people say this like its 100%... Sissoko was awful and came from within the premier league as well. Llorente was pretty bad as well. It's not a sure thing just because they play in the prem.
True but Sissoko was also pretty shit at Newcastle hence so many of us were against us signing him in the first place and Llorente barely got a game here whereas he was a guaranteed starter at Swansea.

That's not to say Hojbjerg will definitely be a success but I don't think those two are great comparisons.

There are countless signings from abroad that hit the ground running and countless ones signed within the league that don't, but as a general rule of thumb I think we can agree that players who know the league tend to settle and adapt quicker.
 

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True but Sissoko was also pretty shit at Newcastle hence so many of us were against us signing him in the first place and Llorente barely got a game here whereas he was a guaranteed starter at Swansea.

That's not to say Hojbjerg will definitely be a success but I don't think those two are great comparisons.

There are countless signings from abroad that hit the ground running and countless ones signed within the league that don't, but as a general rule of thumb I think we can agree that players who know the league tend to settle and adapt quicker.
Just playing devil's advocate. Everyone says he'll work because he's played in the Prem, but for us especially, that hasn't always been the case.

For the record I'd be perfectly happy with this. We need a worker who can win the ball and give it to our forwards. Right now we have two players who don't win the ball and when they do just pass to each other or the fullbacks.
 

razzmaster

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Agree, can’t trust the judgement of fans. Too wide a range of opinions, and Southampton fans do get a little upset when their players are linked to the big boys, so no surprise they’re saying he’s useless.
Don’t forget how this place turned on Eriksen once he revealed he was thinking of leaving

That's a bit harsh on fans. I actually find that the majority of posts on SC are fair, balanced intelligent and totally unbiased and insightful.

Admittedly I've got 90% of posters here on ignore because they are idiots but that's not the point.
 

Liamyid28

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Forget stats. If Mourinho has picked out a gettable player who wants to come in a desperately needed position, we should 100% do everything we can to bring him in.

JM has worked with quite a few of the very best DM's the world has seen. I think that is enough reason to trust his judgement if this is who he wants. Especially when it's not going to be breaking the bank to do so.
Exactly this if jose wants him Iam all for it and 100% let’s forget about stats.
 
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