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Same instruction?I guess with him if you compare him to bentancur there is a world of difference. Same position different results.
Same instruction?I guess with him if you compare him to bentancur there is a world of difference. Same position different results.
I think, for some reason, this point keeps being ignored by quite a few on this thread.4. People who rate Hojbjerg but think we should cash in, if there is a good offer.
Luckily, we have guys like me who understand they have a very basic understanding of the tactical aspects of elite football, which in turn makes it even more obvious when people completely ignore said basics in their critique of him. You are proving my point perfectly here, mentioning him passing to fullbacks and blaming him for us sitting deep. By singling those things out, you either have the complete lack of tactical awareness I'm talking about, or you simply ignore how we've been playing, to get your dislike about him across.Always love a post like this. If someone doesn't rate Hojbjerg it must be because they lack "tactical awareness". Luckily we have people like Whazam who understand football so much better than us.
But funnily enough, those people never mention PEH's poor body shape when receiving the ball, which limits what he can then do with it as he has cut down his own options. Or his inability to move the ball quicker then move and receive it back and transition up the pitch, preferring instead to do everything at pedestrian pace with passes to CBs and FBs. He is a poor man's Scott Parker in my opinion. And I think he caused us more problems than he brought benefits as he caused us to play too deep and when he lost it, the other team were immediately in a dangerous position.
if you need to be told not to stand behind the other teams midfield asking people not to pass you the ball then this game isn't for you.Same instruction?
I don’t disagree… like much of our playing 11 last year their confidence has been sucked out of them. I seem to recall he was deemed motm on several occasions last season?I can’t believe the hate for PEH. Anyone that knows football can see he’s a fantastic footballer and team player, and as brave as they come. The style of football and tactics under Conte and Stellini really f**ked him up and I could see his decision making deteriorate as he had such a lack of options. I’d go as far to say he’d be brilliant in the spine of an Ange team.
You mean ‘recollections may vary’People see what they want to see!
As a basic point I agree with you, however with more nuanced tactics, a midfielder standing in the shadow of the press (hiding behind the pressing striker) is becoming a thing.if you need to be told not to stand behind the other teams midfield asking people not to pass you the ball then this game isn't for you.
Also, does he want to leave? We’ll never know for sure but if teams like Atlético are in for him it wouldn’t surprise me. Good teams sell good players who no longer fit or are ready to move on all the time.I think, for some reason, this point keeps being ignored but quite a few on this thread.
Here is a slightly different way to look at it:
Is PEH a good player? Yes
Is he a fit with Ange system? Who knows?
Is he essential , untouchable? No. Not the same way Bentancur has become.
Are there other players who can do what he does, but are not depreciating assets and have higher ceilings? Yes.
Is this window the most money we can get for him? Unquestionably.
This isn’t a debate about quality and fit for me. It’s a business decision. Moreover, it is common sense.
Sorry have you really said hjojberg is a fantastic player?I can’t believe the hate for PEH. Anyone that knows football can see he’s a fantastic footballer and team player, and as brave as they come. The style of football and tactics under Conte and Stellini really f**ked him up and I could see his decision making deteriorate as he had such a lack of options. I’d go as far to say he’d be brilliant in the spine of an Ange team.
I dont know the context you are referring to but this is actually a very common pattern of play for a holding midfielder. You put yourself infront of the opposition line to essentially move defenders about and create spaces else where. In this case this flanks, while also also possibly becoming free at a later phase.He covers lots of space to make it look like he's working hard, but he pulls himself out of position.
He absolutely hides. Go rewatch our matches towards the back half of last season and just watch him play. He'll make a few passes to the CBs and then will run to a position behind a opposing player. It's maddening to watch.
He's a solid player, but he does not play the full 90 minutes. We absolutely burnt him out over the past three seasons, and he's a decent player for me. But the narrative of him being a viking that never quits is overblown for sure.
See this is football because I didn't/don't see it like this.if you need to be told not to stand behind the other teams midfield asking people not to pass you the ball then this game isn't for you.
Well that's subject to opinion but he 100% does and constantly points away to not receive the ball. My 9 year old boy even gets annoyed by it. Bissouma was a breath of thresh air as he'd take the ball anywhere and constantly called for it at the end of the season.See this is football because I didn't/don't see it like this.
I would certainly sell him if we get a good offer, but he isn't a player who hides for my money.
You can't say "well it's subject to opinion" and then follow it up with "but he 100% does". Unless you don't know what one of those two statements mean.Well that's subject to opinion but he 100% does and constantly points away to not receive the ball. My 9 year old boy even gets annoyed by it. Bissouma was a breath of thresh air as he'd take the ball anywhere and constantly called for it at the end of the season.
Anyway we can go round in circles for.ages but hope he gets a good move and good luck to him. I don't hate him I just dislike this type of footballer.
I would wager that a huge number of those passes received would be when he came deep facing our goal under no pressure from the opposition, receiving it from Dier and then passing it straight back to him.Last season, PEH averaged 55.3 passes received per 90 minutes. Highest of all our midfielders. Bissouma averaged 54.7.
If he's hiding, he's not very good at it.