Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[WiganSpur]

Why wouldn't he do that if he thinks he can get the full amount?
There may be a sweet spot but that would still depend on him as he would get 100% and could still get a club to pay him £75k.
The one thing we have in our favour is if he aint playing he's not getting his full earnings which might help your possibility.

Because his team will know that there is no point in us paying up his contract in full and so it's not something we're going to do. Why would we if there is no benefit to doing so? He's not being disruptive as far as I can tell. There will come a point where even paying him 90% of his contract still isn't really worth it for us, might as well just keep him around and hope another move comes round for him, or that we can find a loan.

With that in mind i'd be very surprised if a settlement wasn't negotiated at something like 50-75% of his contract. If we can't loan him or move him on then that would be in everyone's interests.

 

[ButchCassidy]

Why wouldn't he do that if he thinks he can get the full amount?
There may be a sweet spot but that would still depend on him as he would get 100% and could still get a club to pay him £75k.
The one thing we have in our favour is if he aint playing he's not getting his full earnings which might help your possibility.

If he demands the full amount then what incentive do we have to cancel at all?

 

[worcestersauce]

If he demands the full amount then what incentive do we have to cancel at all?

My point exactly which is why I've tried to answer the calls to do that.

 

[jurgen11]

dont play him with the kids..they deserve better than that.

 

[kent brockman]

I doubt we'd have to go as far as a full pay off. If the value of his contract was say £20m, I reckon he'd accept a deal that ripped up his contract and paid him half his salary every week for the next couple of years which would cost us £10m. Then he is free to find another club and get that topped up or earn a signing on bonus. Still, it's a last resort though and I reckon we're better trying to find loan deals with heavily subsidised wages until his contract is up. If he's on £200k pw, offer him out on loan and offer to pay £120k or so of it and charge a small loan fee to a club.

Yeah. The player also needs to make some kind of sacrifice to be released from his contract.
If he is unwilling to do that, we should let him train with the youth team for the remainder of his contract.
Doc was very specific circumstances, as we messed up with the maximum amount of loanees allowed.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Terminating Ndombele's contract would mean took an immediate hit of £21.7m (2/6 of the £65m we payed for him - he's been here four years, folks!) on the player value side. And that's assuming we didn't pay up any of his contract.

If we had to pay out his contract in full as well then that would indeed take the immediate hit to just under £40m.

However, the important thing is that we're on the hook for that circa £40m anyway if he just sits around not playing. It's only a timing issue. And given we've just had a straight £100m profit from the sale of Kane, now might actually be a good time to take that hit as we can offset the loss against the profit we made on the Kane sale.

I don’t know the ins and outs of paying up contracts. But it does occur to me they are taking up space in the squad and the whole culture of the club, I don’t think it sets a good tone of success to just have players around the team on huge wages contributing not little, but nothing. What kind of message does that send to the players that are on far less and giving everything.

That’s not really a culture of success or competitiveness amongst the squad, fighting for your place and being rewarded for it, while some are raking it in doing very little.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Mysterio on COYS saying he has an offer from Saudi.

Apply salt as always and sorry if this has already been posted.

 

[tubbygold]

Mysterio on COYS saying he has an offer from Saudi.

Apply salt as always and sorry if this has already been posted.

Not about to get my hopes up. Even though he looks absolutely miserable to be here, it doesn't seem like he wants to move away. However, if this is true, and he can pick up an equal/better paycheck there, then I don't see why he wouldn't take it.

 

[Stoof]

Mysterio on COYS saying he has an offer from Saudi.

Apply salt as always and sorry if this has already been posted.

Not on COYS is he?

That’s from that Spurs ITK bloke …

 

[TheHodFather]

I don’t know the ins and outs of paying up contracts. But it does occur to me they are taking up space in the squad and the whole culture of the club, I don’t think it sets a good tone of success to just have players around the team on huge wages contributing not little, but nothing. What kind of message does that send to the players that are on far less and giving everything.

That’s not really a culture of success or competitiveness amongst the squad, fighting for your place and being rewarded for it, while some are raking it in doing very little.

I don't disagree from a morale perspective, although I'm not sure paying up their entire contracts sets a great example either. And he won't be taking up a space in the squad unless we actually register him in the 25, which seems unlikely.

But paying him off is big numbers and I can see the logic in saying that you shouldn't pull the trigger on something like that unless you've absolutely exhausted every other avenue to move them out whilst incurring a smaller cost. And whilst the window is still open there's still potentially other avenues.

Personally I'd be utterly amazed if he was still here on September 1st. But I suspect it'll be another season long loan with us paying some of his wages, which will likely cost us less than paying him off and still achieves the objective of removing him from the squad.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

We overpaid on his fee and overpaid on his wages-6-year contract? 6 year Hangover

 

[sundanceyid10]

I don't disagree from a morale perspective, although I'm not sure paying up their entire contracts sets a great example either. And he won't be taking up a space in the squad unless we actually register him in the 25, which seems unlikely.

But paying him off is big numbers and I can see the logic in saying that you shouldn't pull the trigger on something like that unless you've absolutely exhausted every other avenue to move them out whilst incurring a smaller cost. And whilst the window is still open there's still potentially other avenues.

Personally I'd be utterly amazed if he was still here on September 1st. But I suspect it'll be another season long loan with us paying some of his wages, which will likely cost us less than paying him off and still achieves the objective of removing him from the squad.

I don’t disagree with you. I was just pointing out we are a football club and if every decision is made though the lens of £££££ then we are just a business.

I freely admit it’s easy for me to say that when it’s not my money, but I would say I want a winning culture installed at the club I think we have missed that for so long. Part of that is installing hard competitiveness and competition between players and if you don’t perform or meet the standards of Tottenham Hotspur you are shipped out. but obviously the sums of money in the game are now huge, but I do feel it has to be football first, business later. But it is complicated for sure.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

We should never cancel his contract we'd have to pay him up and he's free to sign a new contract and earn again

 

[TheHodFather]

I don’t disagree with you. I was just pointing out we are a football club and if every decision is made though the lens of £££££ then we are just a business.

I freely admit it’s easy for me to say that when it’s not my money, but I would say I want a winning culture installed at the club I think we have missed that for so long. Part of that is installing hard competitiveness and competition between players and if you don’t perform or meet the standards of Tottenham Hotspur you are shipped out. but obviously the sums of money in the game are now huge, but I do feel it has to be football first, business later. But it is complicated for sure.

Completely agree that we should be first and foremost a football team. Just saying that I think the time to get angry would be if he's still here on 1st September, which I don't think he will be.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Completely agree that we should be first and foremost a football team. Just saying that I think the time to get angry would be if he's still here on 1st September, which I don't think he will be.

you are correct

 

[mr ashley]

Come on levy this is your kind of deal….

 

[djhotspur]

Come on levy this is your kind of deal….

Yeah they need a rb, a tanguy and I’m sure they could do with a cb

 

[kd2000]

If his contact is paid off and he's released the. He is a free agent and can join who he wants outside the window.

I thought I had seen somewhere that it needed to be before the transfer windows shut for some reason relating to registration

 

[TheHodFather]

I thought I had seen somewhere that it needed to be before the transfer windows shut for some reason relating to registration

They need to have been released and become a free agent before the window closes. Assuming they have then they can sign for a new club outside the window.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Not on COYS is he?

That’s from that Spurs ITK bloke …

AFAIK he is from COYS and spurs ITK Twitter just aggregates it, but I’ll double check.

Edit: @Stoof you’re correct, this specific snippit didn’t mention COYS but I’m sure I’ve seen previous tweets with Mysterio with (COYS) next to it. As I said, apply necessary salt everyone. Mysterio has a very mixed hit rate.