Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Spurs_Bear]

The only way Tanguy is gonna build up 90 mins fitness, is to play 90 mins, or at least close to it, I don't really see how taking him off after 60 mins every time helps. At least 70 mins one game then 80 mins next. But I'm not any sort of professional just speaking from experience when I play football at my way down the pyramid Sunday league level.

So far I don't think he has cost us any goals Dele Alli style (in Jose's eyes) so I hope he can start playing for longer as we clearly get worse once he goes off the pitch even if he's having a quiet game.

Agreed with this, he's only 24 so should be building fitness as he goes, he's not going to get fit for 90 minutes by only playing 60 minutes, you don't train for a marathon by only running 3 miles every time.

I also don't understand Jose's thought process, surely everyone else gets tired as well during the game, I would quite like to see Ndombele running through the middle against lagging midfielders in the 80th minute.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Mourinho's history before us shows this is false.

Oh yeah.. forgot he signed Matic a couple of times!

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

He was standing with his hands on his knees and walking back just minutes before he got subbed. It happened twice so I think that's what made Jose's mind up

I’m a sad fucker and I haven’t got anything better to do this afternoon so I’ve just watched from about the 50th minute until he got subbed on the 70th minute and that didn’t happen. He was the one player that was actually moving with any intensity. I know his styles is quite languid when he’s not running but when the balls in his zone he was working hard.

 

[Gingernut]

I’m a sad fucker and I haven’t got anything better to do this afternoon so I’ve just watched from about the 50th minute until he got subbed on the 70th minute and that didn’t happen. He was the one player that was actually moving with any intensity. I know his styles is quite languid when he’s not running but when the balls in his zone he was working hard.

Fair enough...I dont have time to go back. I know what I saw hands on knees brieflt and arms waving in the air in frustration during an attack on our penalty area. .Maybe my timings are slightly out

 

[Gingernut]

I’m a sad fucker and I haven’t got anything better to do this afternoon so I’ve just watched from about the 50th minute until he got subbed on the 70th minute and that didn’t happen. He was the one player that was actually moving with any intensity. I know his styles is quite languid when he’s not running but when the balls in his zone he was working hard.

I just checked the sky highlights on my phone...it was just before a Pedro Neto run and shot.

See from about 1.52 seconds onwards



He is walking back near the halfway line and whilst I'm not moaning about him. I am pointing out that Jose wouldn't like this

 

[rossdapep]

I’m a sad fucker and I haven’t got anything better to do this afternoon so I’ve just watched from about the 50th minute until he got subbed on the 70th minute and that didn’t happen. He was the one player that was actually moving with any intensity. I know his styles is quite languid when he’s not running but when the balls in his zone he was working hard.

Spot on.

I watched the last two games back and there's no questioning his pressing and work off the ball.

The only thing I'd say is that against Leicester he wasnt demanding the ball enough. But he was better vs Wolves.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I just checked the sky highlights on my phone...it was just before a Pedro Neto run and shot.

See from about 1.52 seconds onwards



He is walking back near the halfway line and whilst I'm not moaning about him. I am pointing out that Jose wouldn't like this

Seems to me like frustration no one backing up any sort of press. If Mourinho is unhappy with that he should be unhappy with every other player 4-5 times a game

 

[Gingernut]

Seems to me like frustration no one backing up any sort of press. If Mourinho is unhappy with that he should be unhappy with every other player 4-5 times a game

This is Jose so I can imagine he will just thinks its 60+ mins.. he's not tracking back so must be tired =sub. There was one other occasion but its not on the highlights

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

This is Jose so I can imagine he will just thinks its 60+ mins.. he's not tracking back so must be tired =sub. There was one other occasion but its not on the highlights

The guy fired the ball into Neto on the half turn who got on the wrong side of Winks. No chance Ndombele could of effected it from there anyway.

 

[Gingernut]

The guy fired the ball into Neto on the half turn who got on the wrong side of Winks. No chance Ndombele could of effected it from there anyway.

Im not doubting that...

 

[EQP]

Must be nice

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[cliff jones]

Heres an idea, if our players actually pass to each other we don't have to keep chasing the ball and Ndombele won't be tired after 60 minutes.

He had looked fine before he was subbed and I am sure would have lasted much longer. I reckon we have lost a fair few points this season after he has been subbed.

Im not sure this is right when we’ve had Gio to bring on but it was certainly true the other night.

Jose’s contradiction is we had 89 mins to score a second goal yet he replaced Tanguy with a totally non creative sub- his sacking of their center back led to our only shot of the second half, just like the chances he provided for Reggie in the first half were the only notable efforts beyond the goal he scored

if you really do want to score a second goal you need more not less intent, fsake

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

does anyone actually believe this fitness bullshit Mourinho is trying to push?
I don't know about you but Ndombele always looks as good as he does in the first minute until the minute before he gets subbed (in terms of his physicality). Even if I recall correctly, we nearly scored when Ndombele pressured Coady minutes before he ot subbed?

i'm just not buying it.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

He should be given a bit more freedom than anyone else when it comes to defending because everything exciting and forward thinking we do is through him.

Hazard had the same privilege at Chelsea, and whilst they are not the same type of player at all, they are both the driving force behind their teams attacks.

Get the ball to Tanguy as much as possible and he will make things happen for us and we will create and score more goals than we are now. It doesn’t mean the rest of the team has to work harder, we don’t need to defend with 10 men behind the ball.

 

[HedgieSpur]

does anyone actually believe this fitness bullshit Mourinho is trying to push?
I don't know about you but Ndombele always looks as good as he does in the first minute until the minute before he gets subbed (in terms of his physicality). Even if I recall correctly, we nearly scored when Ndombele pressured Coady minutes before he ot subbed?

i'm just not buying it.

I don’t believe a word of it either. I think it’s simply a tactical thing to defend a lead. In addition, I think it’s a message to him not to get comfortable and that he needs to keep working to earn Jose’s trust.

 

[mil1lion]

Im not sure this is right when we’ve had Gio to bring on but it was certainly true the other night.

Jose’s contradiction is we had 89 mins to score a second goal yet he replaced Tanguy with a totally non creative sub- his sacking of their center back led to our only shot of the second half, just like the chances he provided for Reggie in the first half were the only notable efforts beyond the goal he scored

if you really do want to score a second goal you need more not less intent, fsake

To be fair he did also replace Reguilon with Bergwijn which was an attacking change. People seem to ignore that when mentioning the Sissoko change for Ndombele that came a few minutes later. Maybe he was concerned when Wolves started to get in behind Winks and Hojbjerg and that looked the most likely chance for them to score. I think he decided to go with an attacking change out wide instead and shore up in central midfield. We didn't actually have any less attacking players at the end than we started.

 

[HodisGawd]

does anyone actually believe this fitness bullshit Mourinho is trying to push?
I don't know about you but Ndombele always looks as good as he does in the first minute until the minute before he gets subbed (in terms of his physicality). Even if I recall correctly, we nearly scored when Ndombele pressured Coady minutes before he ot subbed?

i'm just not buying it.

Yes. I do believe Jose.

There is no reason to assume he is lying and most games Ndombele looks absolutely puffed. Less so in the last one, granted, but maybe at last his fitness is improving a bit?

Here's hoping.

 

[cliff jones]

To be fair he did also replace Reguilon with Bergwijn which was an attacking change. People seem to ignore that when mentioning the Sissoko change for Ndombele that came a few minutes later. Maybe he was concerned when Wolves started to get in behind Winks and Hojbjerg and that looked the most likely chance for them to score. I think he decided to go with an attacking change out wide instead and shore up in central midfield. We didn't actually have any less attacking players at the end than we started.

I saw no difference in what Stevie was asked to do, compared to Reggie- he spent most of his time simply defending that flank?

We have three offensive passers- Toby, Tanguy and Kane. Only H was on the pitch, and the height of his ambition was to win free kicks to earn him and the rest of the team a breather.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Yes. I do believe Jose.

There is no reason to assume he is lying and most games Ndombele looks absolutely puffed. Less so in the last one, granted, but maybe at last his fitness is improving a bit?

Here's hoping.

and that is where i'll go back to my original point - he looks as good as he does before he gets subbed as he does in the first minute of the game. I have not seen any indication he is wavering out on the pitch

 

[HedgieSpur]

I saw no difference in what Stevie was asked to do, compared to Reggie- he spent most of his time simply defending that flank?

We have three offensive passers- Toby, Tanguy and Kane. Only H was on the pitch, and the height of his ambition was to win free kicks to earn him and the rest of the team a breather.

Agree with this. Bergwijn wasn’t brought on as an attacking threat imo. He was brought on and essentially played as an auxiliary RB.

Not what I would call an attacking substitution.