Premier League 2023/2024

[arunspurs]

You say that but the 2 best academies are an oil club, and an ex oil club. I bet Newcastle's academy will explode next. It's all money, if you can pay the best prospects the most money with impunity, you'll have the best Academy, or so the evidence shows. Nothing to do with setup imo

I have been talking about only one club here - thats City. Cities input into their academy is no higher than what we been doing to our academy. Infact, we spent more on our academy - its just that we decided to put the money on infrastrcuture, they put the money in scouting, coaches.

Its not that their academy players are making a career for themself, they are consistently becoming top class footballers.

And they dont spend on academy players like Chelsea do. Just take Lavia. Pep saw him in some preseason tour playing in near by pitches as 15 yr old, took note. Then after 6 months, Lavia signed for city - no fee was paid to Anderlecht. He had no agents then.
Sancho went to their academy for 66k as per EPPP as well.

Its mind boggling to see the list of academy product from them. End of the day, they are successful. And its not because of money. If thats the case, every club could have done the same.

 

[barry]

I have been talking about only one club here - thats City. Cities input into their academy is no higher than what we been doing to our academy. Infact, we spent more on our academy - its just that we decided to put the money on infrastrcuture, they put the money in scouting, coaches.

Its not that their academy players are making a career for themself, they are consistently becoming top class footballers.

And they dont spend on academy players like Chelsea do. Just take Lavia. Pep saw him in some preseason tour playing in near by pitches as 15 yr old, took note. Then after 6 months, Lavia signed for city - no fee was paid to Anderlecht. He had no agents then.
Sancho went to their academy for 66k as per EPPP as well.

Its mind boggling to see the list of academy product from them. End of the day, they are successful. And its not because of money. If thats the case, every club could have done the same.

Yeah alright mate. The richest club in the world just has amazing scouts and setup, nothing to do with money. Cool

 

[arunspurs]

Yeah alright mate. The richest club in the world just has amazing scouts and setup, nothing to with money. Cool

Well, I took my time to explain with examples... its not just money. Anyway, wont be bothered to detail anymore and derail the thread.

 

[Marty]

 

[barry]

Well, I took my time to explain with examples... its not just money. Anyway, wont be bothered to detail anymore and derail the thread.

Others clubs don't do it because they can't afford to just throw money in the bin on every decent prospect. City, Chelsea, and Newcastle, can, and do.

There's probably plenty of players who have made plenty of money in the City academy who will do nothing in football. This is without mentioning all their satellite clubs, and the dodginess that goes on there.
With all that you really think it's not all about the money??

Come on buddy. Why do the most corrupt teams have the best academies?

 

[Guntz]

Well, I took my time to explain with examples... its not just money. Anyway, wont be bothered to detail anymore and derail the thread.

Chelsea and City have easily had the best academies over the last decade.

What do they both have in common?

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

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Win tomorrow and arsenal are down to 5th

That'll really put the pressure on them and they are terrible under pressure, especially when they're not currently performing.

 

[arunspurs]

Chelsea and City have easily had the best academies over the last decade.

What do they both have in common?

They have money in common ofcourse...they have better facilities like we have.

Chelsea have a history of losing out of academy players when they hit 16 or 17 because of lack of chances. Rice went to WestHam, Nketiah went to Arsenal. So many examples, of good players they lost out for nothing.

We have a similar academy infrastrucutre as City - City sold 260m of academy talents since 2017.

English local talents who been since 10 or 11. Or they go and scout likes of Lavia from obscuirty.

Just for 23-24,
Harwood Bellis - sold to Southampton for 20m.
Tommy Doyle-5m to Wolves,
Trafford- 15m to Burnley
Carlos Borges-14m to Ajax (been in club since 2015)

Its a known fact that, other clubs have also been taking their academy coaches & managers.
Like it or not....to say, money is the only reason is just lazy narrative.

 

[barry]

They have money in common ofcourse...they have better facilities like we have.

Chelsea have a history of losing out of academy players when they hit 16 or 17 because of lack of chances. Rice went to WestHam, Nketiah went to Arsenal. So many examples, of good players they lost out for nothing.

We have a similar academy infrastrucutre as City - City sold 260m of academy talents since 2017.

English local talents who been since 10 or 11. Or they go and scout likes of Lavia from obscuirty.

Just for 23-24,
Harwood Bellis - sold to Southampton for 20m.
Tommy Doyle-5m to Wolves,
Trafford- 15m to Burnley
Carlos Borges-14m to Ajax (been in club since 2015)

Its a known fact that, other clubs have also been taking their academy coaches & managers.
Like it or not....to say, money is the only reason is just lazy narrative.

Why has no one done this before, or after, except oil clubs?

 

[arunspurs]

Why has no one done this before, or after, except oil clubs?

I explained it - looks like you are failing to read it.
It took only 12 years of focussed work from their CEO & Sporting director who havent changed.

Given you are only asking & not saying much...you tell me, which PL club, has that sustained "football leadership" at top...AND delivered the results in producing players.

 

[barry]

I explained it - looks like you are failing to read it.
It took only 12 years of focussed work from their CEO & Sporting director who havent changed.

Given you are only asking & not saying much...you tell me, which PL club, has that sustained "football leadership" at top...AND delivered the results in producing players.

Chelsea pre 2022. What do they have in common?

 

[barry]

I explained it - looks like you are failing to read it.
It took only 12 years of focussed work from their CEO & Sporting director who havent changed.

Given you are only asking & not saying much...you tell me, which PL club, has that sustained "football leadership" at top...AND delivered the results in producing players.

So you really think if this same "leadership" was at a club without oil money, but with the same facilities, it would produce similar results?

 

[arunspurs]

So you really think if this same "leadership" was at a club without oil money, but with the same facilities, it would produce similar results?

Answering again with a question ?
Answer is yes. And am bored of this one sided conversation. Bye

 

[arunspurs]

Looking at the PL table...
Manchester United have only scored 22 goals all season...and only Burnley (19th) and Sheffield (20th) have scored less.

Lets hope it remains similar tomorrow.

 

[barry]

Answering again with a question ?
Answer is yes. And am bored of this one sided conversation. Bye

That's fair enough mate. We obviously see the football World very differently, and our views are set.

 

[SixtyFour]

I explained it - looks like you are failing to read it.
It took only 12 years of focussed work from their CEO & Sporting director who havent changed.

Given you are only asking & not saying much...you tell me, which PL club, has that sustained "football leadership" at top...AND delivered the results in producing players.

Perhaps the ones with a (reasonably obvious) business plan, and the money and recruitment packages to actually recruit and keep elite staff and talent? Maybe bang for the buck, Crewe Alexandra have the best academy. Just not so many bucks?

 

[Cornpattbuck]

"The Kevin De Bruyne team."

 

[cookiemonster]

Bobb or whoever that lad, what a cool finish.
Bobb finished the ball & Trippier with that.

Didn't know that Oscar is good at footie

Always thought he was rubbish

 

[allatsea]

Guimares always seems to get booked when I watch Newcastle.

He should have got a second yellow for his 'stamp' on a city player, can't remember which one.

 

[Flynn]

Why has no one done this before, or after, except oil clubs?

Southampton are a good example of getting it right for a good period, they do have a huge catchment area and scouting infrastructure across the south coupled with a proven route into first team football and players allowed to move onto bigger clubs when the time comes. They might of gone off the boil a bit in the last few years but they've been a conveyor belt of talent for a long time for a club that size.

You have to get the whole thing right, not just a single aspect and money (albeit important) is only one aspect.