Raphinha

[Timberwolf]

The difference IMO is the quality of the opposition. Arsenal can play a weakened team in their EL games, whereas Spurs will have to play an equally strong team in our CL games. As others have mentioned we have 10 fixtures in October, so there's simply no way we can play Son and Deki in all 10 games. Realistically he could be playing as much as either of them between now and the end of the year.

Yeah I suppose that's even more the case given the absolutely insane schedule we'll have due to the WC. He'd get tons of game-time here too.

 

[brasil_spur]

Yeah I suppose that's even more the case given the absolutely insane schedule we'll have due to the WC. He'd get tons of game-time here too.

I think game time is probably equal and at both clubs is up to the player to step it up from a guaranteed starter at a lower league club to a regular for a CL (or not quite CL in the case of the scum) club.

So to me what it comes down to is international exposure - he'll only get that properly in the CL, not the EL.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

The difference IMO is the quality of the opposition. Arsenal can play a weakened team in their EL games, whereas Spurs will have to play an equally strong team in our CL games. As others have mentioned we have 10 fixtures in October, so there's simply no way we can play Son and Deki in all 10 games. Realistically he could be playing as much as either of them between now and the end of the year.

Thats never worked out v well for us in the EL

 

[WiganSpur]

I don't think they'll necessarily sign all those players - that's basically their fans' dream scenario and our fans being overly concerned.

They've had some transfer sagas go on all summer that we assume will come off yet never materialise. Buendia, Aouar, Vlahovic, Maddison, Zaha and plenty of others. Jesus looks like an obvious one, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't sign one or two of Raphinha, Tielemans, or the Ajax defender.

They've averaged about 100m spend for 6 seasons but the most they've ever spent is 150m last season and they have little to show for it. Not sure I can see them going up to 200m - that's Chelsea/City territory.

Yeah, surely 7-8 years of no CL is going to hurt them at some point. I guess 100-150m net isn't too much nowadays but they never seem afraid to splash the cash. Having signed Vieira however, surely they're not going to spend a further £150m or so on Jesus, Raphinha ,Martinez and a CM without some serious outgoings. And in that regard it's hard to see who they could sell who is particularly valuable or in demand. Bellerin, Torreira and Guendouzi I guess?

 

[brasil_spur]

Thats never worked out v well for us in the EL

Agreed but the have a paper thin squad right now and the fixture list is mental with the WC coming in November, so what are they going to do? Surely they're not going to risk missing out on CL qualification through the PL again?

 

[SpartanSpur]

Yeah, surely 7-8 years of no CL is going to hurt them at some point. I guess 100-150m net isn't too much nowadays but they never seem afraid to splash the cash. Having signed Vieira however, surely they're not going to spend a further £150m or so on Jesus, Raphinha ,Martinez and a CM without some serious outgoings. And in that regard it's hard to see who they could sell who is particularly valuable or in demand. Bellerin, Torreira and Guendouzi I guess?

I think the Kroenke's have been loaning money to the club to help them spend in the last 2-3 years so it is possible if they keep doing so.

The difference to ENICs investment being that at some point they could try to recall it.

 

[Timberwolf]

Yeah, surely 7-8 years of no CL is going to hurt them at some point. I guess 100-150m net isn't too much nowadays but they never seem afraid to splash the cash. Having signed Vieira however, surely they're not going to spend a further £150m or so on Jesus, Raphinha ,Martinez and a CM without some serious outgoings. And in that regard it's hard to see who they could sell who is particularly valuable or in demand. Bellerin, Torreira and Guendouzi I guess?

I think they've already got 10m for Guendouzi. The other 2 both have 1 year left on their respective contracts so probably around £8-10m each? Beyond that there's Maitland Niles (also 1 year left) and maybe Rob Holding? They can probably just about drum up 50mil if they sell all of them. Hard to see anyone taking Pepe on his wages.

We've got a lot more saleable assets in comparison. If we sold Lo Celso, Bergwijn, Reguilon, Winks and Rodon we should be aiming for at least 80m and that would still leave others like Royal, Tanganga, Ndombele, etc.

 

[WiganSpur]

I think they've already got 10m for Guendouzi. The other 2 both have 1 year left on their respective contracts so probably around £8-10m each? Beyond that there's Maitland Niles (also 1 year left) and maybe Rob Holding? They can probably just about drum up 50mil if they sell all of them.

Didn't even realise the contract situations for all those players. And as we've seen over the years, mediocre squad players on decent wages can be a pain in the arse to shift. Can't see them flogging all of them so therefore no way they're bringing in all those players surely? Considering they have Pepe and Saka already, bringing in Raphinha seems nonsensical if you're operating under a limited budget.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

65 million pounds is the fee they require to release raphinha from his contact .

 

[Timberwolf]

Didn't even realise the contract situations for all those players. And as we've seen over the years, mediocre squad players on decent wages can be a pain in the arse to shift. Can't see them flogging all of them so therefore no way they're bringing in all those players surely?

It's pretty shocking how poorly their squad has been managed. So many players still knocking about on loan or on the bench that have 1 year left on their contracts. Them and United have a terrible habit of overpaying average players then either offering them new contracts or keeping them for too long so they leave for a pittance or on a free.

But anyway - back to Raphinha. It's not like they can raise loads from sales to pay for him.

 

[Guntz]

65 million pounds is the fee they require to release raphinha from his contact .

Too much IMO

 

[SpartanSpur]

65 million pounds is the fee they require to release raphinha from his contact .

Hefty but I think that's simply the market at the moment. If you want someone ready to hit the ground running that's probably what it'll take. Considering we've done well to keep the cost down on Bissouma and Perisic so far we might have scope to overpay on a target or two.

I wonder if you could reach that magic figure with add ons.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

65 million pounds is the fee they require to release raphinha from his contact .

No way is Barca paying that. Even if they sell De Jong. I’m not even sure if we or Arsenal would pay that. But I guess we will find out.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

No way is Barca paying that. Even if they sell De Jong. I’m not even sure if we or Arsenal would pay that. But I guess we will find out.

I am sure Leeds would be happier for Raphinha to go abroad and maybe offer a slightly lower price for a Barca move.

 

[WiganSpur]

Too much IMO

Yeah I reckon something like 58m including 10m or so of fairly realistic add ons is fair.

 

[Timberwolf]

65 million pounds is the fee they require to release raphinha from his contact .

That's a fee that makes perfect sense for Leeds tbh. Much less and they may as well keep him another season.

I imagine something like 50+10 or 55+5 would be about our limit. Can't see us paying the full 65.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Too much IMO

If Richarlison is the same price I’m going Raphinha but I agree, too much. But then I also think 50+ is too much for Richarlison.

 

[spursfan77]

65 million pounds is the fee they require to release raphinha from his contact .

 

[hughy]

I don't blame Leeds for holding out. When was the last time they had an asset this valuable in their club? Ferdinand?

 

[SpartanSpur]

I am sure Leeds would be happier for Raphinha to go abroad and maybe offer a slightly lower price for a Barca move.

I think Barca were apparently willing to offer £30-34m (40m euros). When they agreed personal terms with him they were looking at his £25m release clause.