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MOTM

  • Vorm

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 9 3.6%
  • Carter-Vickers

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Wimmer

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Davies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Winks

    Votes: 64 25.4%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 4 1.6%
  • Onomah

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Nkoudou

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 116 46.0%
  • Janssen

    Votes: 21 8.3%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • Dele

    Votes: 10 4.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 6 2.4%
  • None Deserved

    Votes: 17 6.7%

  • Total voters
    252

BringBack_leGin

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I felt sorry for Wycombe. That said, there's nothing like an undeserved 97th minute winner, the odd goal in seven, to inject you with pure euphoria. Some appalling performances in there and yes, it was a reserve selection but they'd had a week to prepare for this fixture knowing that this would be the likely selection. Also, Janssen should've started. Son gets goals but he's no leader of the line in any system.

Vorm picked the ball out of his net three times, seemed lost on their opener, and seemed unsure about when to rush off his line generally. Not a great day at the office.

Trippier put in a few nice crosses but he wasn't overly impactful. Hope he's not hurt too badly.

Carter Vickers was okay and showed some good use of the a ball and a lick of pace but showed nativity for their second and struggled to contain the rhino they played up front.

Wimmer actually played some lovely cross field passes and was fine one on one. Unlucky with the penalty. He was exposed by his full back all game long.

Davies was poor. He looked leaden footed and failed to distribute the ball well. I like him but I'm beginning to doubt if he's right for us. On the right Trippier is different to Walker but still able to offer what our system needs. I think if there is a sizeable offer for Davies then we should accept and bring in someone more similar to Rose.

Dier was atrocious. He's the only player there who's been first team constantly for us and he was the worst player on the pitch. I love the guy but his free kick leading to their third, after we'd clawed back to 2-2, was disgraceful.

Winks was decent. He has a lovely turn of pace and seems confident on both feet, and he really took responsibility to drive us up the pitch. If he adds a bit more incision to his passing then he'll be very good, maybe great. Not really a criticism though, Modric was also neat and tidy mostly for his first 18 months, and we signed him as an established and decorated 22 year old international.

Sissoko was awful first half, just dreadful. Second half he improved and linked well with Trippier but nothing materialised other than ruffling their full back.

Onomah was dreadful too. Yes, he's 19, but I need to see at least a glimmer of why he gets chances, I don't see what he has. I trust the manager and obviously in training/ at youth level he must be showing something special but it's not translating into the first team.

Nkoudou wasn't great but I was surprised to see him hooked ahead of the other two. He was the only artacking midfield offering any imagination and endeavour in the first half. That said, he not giving our manager any reason to elevate him from 6th choice attacking midfielder.

Son should be praised for his tenacity and will to score, but criticised for his lack of composure and poor decisions. He's not the most aware or intelligent player but he does justify his regular involvement because invariable his presence leads to goals.

Janssen improved is dramatically. Should have buried his header, it went to the one place the goalie would've stopped it, but his bustle and movement was the catalyst for us looking like a football team in the second half. Won the penalty well.

Alli did very little, he certainly didn't improve our play and I got annoyed at his flicks, but he showed great technique and composure for his goal and left the goalie dumbfounded. The obvious choice was to square it to Janssen, hence why the goalie was so wrong footed.

Dembele also didn't overly improve us but he did offer some calmness to the melting pot and helped keep the ball higher up the pitch.

It's the FA cup. I'm glad we won and even if the performance was poor, I left the match thoroughly entertained and on a high.
 

Shea

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Apr 5, 2013
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Alli did very little, he certainly didn't improve our play and I got annoyed at his flicks, but he showed great technique and composure for his goal and left the goalie dumbfounded. The obvious choice was to square it to Janssen, hence why the goalie was so wrong footed.

My impression was that Dele couldn't play the ball to Janssen because the latter would be off side if he did

Janssen was yards off side after the keepers kick and been headed back into an attacking position by us

He wasn't active/in play though because the onside Dele Alli had collected the ball

But had Dele squared it to him I'm sure he becomes active and would have done so by starting in an offside position and therefore the goal been ruled out

Maybe my understanding of the rule interpretation is wrong here but my impression was that dele couldn't play janssen in and therefore it wasn't the obvious ball to play

Even if the keeper was distracted and wrong footed by Janssen (which would call in to questing whether he was an active part of the play I suppose)
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Son my MOM - always tries to make things happen.

Winks was good as well.

I gotta say I'm worried about the quality of our non Belgian CBs. Wimmer seems mentally flakey. CCV has composure by my fears about his height were shown to be well founded today. He was beaten in the air all day long and beaten for pace. I think he'll end up being a defensive midfielder.

Onomah... I'm not getting it all. A year from now I think he's more likely to be pushing cannabis on Tottenham High Road rather than pushing for a place in Tottenham's first team. He needs a League One loan to get game time and to see if he sinks or swims.

Must be only me who is actually surprised by this comment from UpTownSpur, he's the same person who said that he didn't trust Bentaleb because he had a 'dodgy Jihad beard'

Kinda speaks volumes as to what type of person he is.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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Son my MOM - always tries to make things happen.

Winks was good as well.

I gotta say I'm worried about the quality of our non Belgian CBs. Wimmer seems mentally flakey. CCV has composure by my fears about his height were shown to be well founded today. He was beaten in the air all day long and beaten for pace. I think he'll end up being a defensive midfielder.

Onomah... I'm not getting it all. A year from now I think he's more likely to be pushing cannabis on Tottenham High Road rather than pushing for a place in Tottenham's first team. He needs a League One loan to get game time and to see if he sinks or swims.


So will Winks be selling white in Essex.

Some people.
 

Pat Rice Spurs fan

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Feb 22, 2007
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Carter Vickers was okay and showed some good use of the a ball and a lick of pace but showed nativity for their second and struggled to contain the rhino they played up front.

I love a good auto correct.
I'd have hoped some wise men with gifts, shepherds, a couple of donkeys and a new born baby would have put Wycombe off, too. :)
 

olliec

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Jun 20, 2012
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Son MoTM he's like s relentless fly that is always in your face which you can't get rid of. A real pest for other teams, but love his tenacity for us. Never see this boy put in a half ass shift. It's all or nothing which is what I love about him. Hope he stays with us for a long long time.
 

dondo

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Jan 4, 2006
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Son MOTM? Bloody hell. He was absolutely useless for 65 mins then scored a fluke deflection. He then continued to fuck up numerous openings before a nice interchange resulted in the winner.

I can't remember a player like him. He undoubtably makes stuff happen and is effective this year, but in equal spades he is clumsy, careless and infuriating.

Winks was decent and worked hard, Tripp was alright. Sissoko and Nkoudou were hopeless. Davies was pony. CCV was rash. Onomah was anonymous. Dier was trundling.

Got out of jail today. Hope Poch gives it a proper go from now on.


son reminds me a bit of Dempsey, not in their styles but both players made a difference in terms of goals and assists but did very little else and could/can look awful at times
 

Shadydan

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Son's mentality is very very good, just doesn't give a fuck and doesn't let things affect him. We need to keep players like him around the club because they are precious.
 

UpTownSpur

Says it like it is
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When you were typing that comment out you just had to know it was close to the mark. Common sense should tell you that. I'm not surprised people are pulling you up about it. It was ill judged and thoughtless at best.

A lot of posts I write never get posted because I think better of it. I'm not a prolific poster. I favour quality over quantity and try and find amusing ways to say things if possible. This one didn't come off obviously. The message I wanted to convey to Josh was that he needs to get his arse in gear, try and be the main man and make things happen as games are just passing him by when he gets his chance, as these chances will become fewer and fewer, in life as well as football.
 

theprankmonkey

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MOTM to Winks. Son ran around a good bit and looked to be our most likely to score, but couldn't do anything with his chances. Neither of his 2 goals were on frame until Wycombe was kind enough to put the ball in their own net for him.

Dele did his Dele thing. Disappeared for long stretches at a time, and just when you've written him off, here he comes with another goal. I'll take that anyday.
 

Shea

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Apr 5, 2013
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A lot of posts I write never get posted because I think better of it. I'm not a prolific poster. I favour quality over quantity and try and find amusing ways to say things if possible. This one didn't come off obviously. The message I wanted to convey to Josh was that he needs to get his arse in gear, try and be the main man and make things happen as games are just passing him by when he gets his chance, as these chances will become fewer and fewer, in life as well as football.
With classic jokes like onomah being a drug dealer on the high Road your talents are wasted here

You should be ghost writing for Dave Chappell
 

UpTownSpur

Says it like it is
Dec 31, 2014
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With classic jokes like onomah being a drug dealer on the high Road your talents are wasted here

You should be ghost writing for Dave Chappell

As I said, it didn't come off, for which I apologize, but in reality it's mostly the hyper Lamela fans who seem to be making the most of it and using it as a proxy to attack me since I don't post on the Lamela thread anymore. Doesn't bother me at all. PS. @Shadydan I blanked your Yuletide greetings and all your attempts to renegage with me. This will continue for the rest of your life.
 

sloth

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Mar 7, 2005
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Some of the apoplexy in the match thread was hilarious. What do we expect, the FA Cup is at the bottom of our list of priorities. It takes more effort, but for the same reward as the League Cup. It certainly isn't as vital as conditioning ourselves to play against European opposition, be that in the Europa or CL, but all three of these cups cede importance to the Premier League.

If Poch had played Kane, Eriksen, TA etc in this game and they'd have got injured it would have been a fucking idiotic thing to do. We also have to keep fringe players sharp and develop younger players. It's about the medium and long term as well as the now.

This was just one of those typical cup games. We put out a side of back ups and kids, came up against a plucky lower league team in good form with nothing to lose who had a go. We still dominated the ball, we still tried to play on the front foot, but early on they had a bit of bluster about them and made life a bit tricky and got a couple of breaks, a set piece goal and a very fortunate penalty (albeit as a result of alack of experience from CCV maybe). Then just when we were getting well on top, we go down to 10 men. Honestly, there's more positives to take out of this game than there were last week. A ten man, mish mash bunch of young and squadies still managed to have 75% of the ball and come from behind twice to win a game that should have been dead.

The only difference between our performance here and Villa was that Wycombe actually showed some ambition, Villa didn't. We were fucking abject for 60 minutes in that game, but so were Villa.

I think we should have started with Janssen, not Son. That not being the case I think players like Sissoko, Dier and maybe even Son should have gone off before those that did. All three of those were piss fucking poor. And don't go giving me the "Son scored" bollocks, defenders scored both of those, which were off target as were all the other good chances he pissed away. His carelessness on the ball nearly cost us another goal as well.

When you put some of the praise for some of those above mentioned in context of some of the criticism of Onomah it is embarrassing. He's a 19yo. He's playing his first game for what two or three months, his second or third start of the season, in a completely makeshift side, out of position (as ever) and he didn't play any worse than much more experienced and vastly more expensive pro's like Dier, Sissoko, Son, Nkoudou or even Alli or Dembele when they came on. It's fine to critique his performance honestly, call it what it was, a bit fucking meh, but the shit he gets or the anger vented towards a 19yo kid still getting his first kicks is ludicrous. Surely players like Kane, Alli, Dier, Winks etc have taught us all a lesson. What do you reckon Alli's first 10 games were like ? I mean he can bumble around like turtle in a fucking windsock still, for the first 3 months of this season he was fucking attrocious, and that's after about 150 senior games.

I'd be more worried that we paid 30m for a player who has the technique of a fucking fridge FFS. And 22m for Son, who still manages to trip his way round games, fucking up simple things constantly, than I would about a 19yo who's cost us a packet of peanuts not looking like a world beater in his first 5 hours of proper football.

Individual

Vorm - Hard to assess really. Didn't have loads to do except pick the ball out the net. Don't think any were his fault ?

Tripper - OK

CCV - Bit immature to go to ground maybe, but I still think he didn't take the man either, the man lost control of the ball and put his leg into him. I have never been as convinced as some about CCV, but it's early days and I don't think he's generally handled things badly when played. Little stat for you, nobody passed more ball today than CCV, 74 passes, and only Dembele superseded his 91% success rate with his humble 22 passes. Make of it what you will.

Wimmer - meh

Davies - meh

Dier - Poor game. He made Wycombe look like ManC last week at times. Entirely to blame for goal 3.

Winks - Decent game. Saw most outfield ball (i.e. ahead of the defence). As ever, industrious, neat and tidy.

Sissoko - The odd bulldozerly flourish but, as ever, mainly resulting in ultimate disappointment. Poor.

Onomah - Pretty meh, but not the catastrophic event some seem to portray.

Nkoudou - Don't really know why he was yanked at half time and why he was yanked ahead of Sissoko. Didn't do anything orgasmic but was lively and looked more likely to control the ball than Sissoko.

Bumble Min Son - Eratic, careless and wasteful. Eventually the Wycombe defenders felt so sorry for him they decided to kick it in the goal for him.

Janssen - Did OK. Worked hard, won and buried the pen, played a nice little ball for Son for the winner.

Dembele - Meh.

Alli - Was pretty meh. Stuck his goal away coolly, but fuck knows what the keeper was doing, just seemed to step aside and offer up his goal.

Over the years I said that you've only seen them against other youth, that your experience is limited, and that Poch and his coaching team see them week in week out in training...

You said that the coaching team were blinkered, that you had seen enough to judge, and if they weren't being played it was because Poch was being dogmatic/conservative not because they weren't ready. You said they were ready, better than established first team alternatives such as Walker and Alli, and you picked them to start in PL matches.
 

Flashspur

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As I said, it didn't come off, for which I apologize, but in reality it's mostly the hyper Lamela fans who seem to be making the most of it and using it as a proxy to attack me since I don't post on the Lamela thread anymore. Doesn't bother me at all. PS. @Shadydan I blanked your Yuletide greetings and all your attempts to renegage with me. This will continue for the rest of your life.

I am sure that @Shadydan is quivering in his boots right now LOL
 

JimmyG2

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Dec 7, 2006
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Even if he doesn't make it at Spurs
which he might not
the High Rd. is probably his last option.
Like many other talented Spurs youth
he can make a good living, legally at other clubs.
Shown enough already to be on Pochettino's radar at 19
and has the strength and skill to progress further.
 

Sp3akerboxxx

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I don't think Dier and Wimmer were as bad as people are making out. Both had a couple of brain farts, but contributed positively as well.

Davies was pretty anonymous, Sissoko was awful, Vorm was very shaky, and Onomah had a night he will want to swiftly forget.

Son and Winks were our 'better' players, but I was actually delighted with Son's performance. I felt that he put in just as much effort against Wigan as he would against Real Madrid. At times he was the only dangerous player we had on the pitch, and the goals he scored still meant a lot to him. I felt that it was a great display of application, and he played completely without ego. Something that can't be said for Dier, who was infuriatingly lackadaisical at times.
 

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