Robbie Keane - Annoyed with Robbie or Harry?

[Rabbi_Krustofski]

Running out of patience with Robbie Keane's performances all over again. Just as I was when he was with us first time around. But, I don't know who to blame. Should I point the finger at him or Harry?
We know he was playing left to replace Modric, but he didn't dicapline himself in that position and became to advanced. Then, when we play him upfront he does the complete opposite.
Don't get me wrong, he's a class footballer ..but is at him very best when in the box ...superb technique and a variety of finishing. Outside the box I can't stand him.
I thought it would be different under Harry, when Jol used to get him in deeper positions and we would have to endure his ball hogging and risky passing. No, Harry's doing the same.
Why the hell did we buy Kranjcar if we're going to play Keane to fill every position available?

 

[spursandbarca]

maybe because kranjcar had 1 training session with the rest of the team.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Keane is still our best forward and needs to be the first one on the teamsheet.

It was though IMO an error to play him LM yesterday - we should have just brought Gio in as a straight replacement for Modric.

 

[Gilzeanking]

You're not really allowed to say anything against St Keano on this board .It upsets too many people .

I was stunned that he was substituted...he's been appalling for so long and always remained , sacrosanct , on the pitch .

Taking him off for 10 mins at the end is going to annoy a lot of posters on here . Watch out 'Arry !

As I've read elsewhere , the sending off of Scholes evened up the numbers...

 

[Vedi]

I have to agree with spursandbarca. Its easy to point at mistakes after a game, but before the game i think it was for harry too early to throw kranjcar into the team.

Looking at it now harry should have done it with kranjcar at lm and keane and defoe upfront as usual. Kranjcar plays football much more like modric then keane does. He wouldnt have changed the style of our game as much as keane did on the left.

and by playing keane on the left he had to change one other position on the field, keanes original. he put crouch there, what again changed our game to one our players werent yet comfortable.

so IF someone is to blame it is harry for putting keane on the left and crouch on his position, it changed our game much more than it would have with kranjcar simply on the left instead of modric. But on the other part its as spursandbarca said, 1 training session may have been not enough.

edit: and i agree that keane should just play upfront and finish as much as he can. we dont really need him to play deep as we have a midfield capable of holding the ball and creating things.

 

[punky]

Both but Harry should take the blame as he is the manager.

Krancjar, GDS, Bentley all would have done better than Keane. The fact Harry won't play them even when they are needed through injuries is quite worrying. I don't know why Harry is obsessed with playing Keane though.

 

[There's always next year]

Both but Harry should take the blame as he is the manager.

Krancjar, GDS, Bentley all would have done better than Keane. The fact Harry won't play them even when they are needed through injuries is quite worrying. I don't know why Harry is obsessed with playing Keane though.

Fully endorse your view. I am also concerned by Redknapp's alledged "Love In" with Keane. I worry that instead of picking so called specialists for specific positions, Redknapp will dove tail Keane into where ever he can.

Unfortunately Keane's better days are past. Rafa saw this and acted quickly, Redknapp slightly blinded by Keane's past reputation and his sons freindship, decided to play the mug and bring him back.

This argument will fester all year and there will be split views like no other debate.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Both but Harry should take the blame as he is the manager.

Krancjar, GDS, Bentley all would have done better than Keane. The fact Harry won't play them even when they are needed through injuries is quite worrying. I don't know why Harry is obsessed with playing Keane though.

Gio had to fly back from S. America this week so that may have been a consideration.

Personally I don't rate Krancjar (except playing in a free 10 role behind a sole striker) and don't think he can play in the same midfield as Huddlestone. Those two together would make us the slowest most immobile midfield I can ever remember.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Fully endorse your view. I am also concerned by Redknapp's alledged "Love In" with Keane. I worry that instead of picking so called specialists for specific positions, Redknapp will dove tail Keane into where ever he can.

Unfortunately Keane's better days are past. Rafa saw this and acted quickly, Redknapp slightly blinded by Keane's past reputation and his sons freindship, decided to play the mug and bring him back.

This argument will fester all year and there will be split views like no other debate.

He's only just turned 29 ffs! His best days are likely ahead of him like happened with Teddy. He only struggled at Liverpool because Benitez wanted to play 4-5-1 and Keane can't play LM.

 

[BH_spurs]

the crowd continually getting on robbie's back is not helping though, making him feel more unwanted.

 

[Legend10]

Keane is still our best forward and needs to be the first one on the teamsheet.

It was though IMO an error to play him LM yesterday - we should have just brought Gio in as a straight replacement for Modric.

Are you being serious or just joking?

If you're being serious you are suggesting that Keane should at this moment be considered first choice above a player who has scored 5 goals in 5 premiership matches, how very Martin Jol!

IMHO he's not our bet forward, he's not our second best forward and he's not our third best forward and from there on its arguable where he is on the list. Is he better in a forward role than Gio would be right now? I can't see Gio being worse.

For me personally he is at best our 5th choice forward and even then i would look for other options.

Truth is he's become a really poor player and despite a decent performance against Liverpool, so far this season he's been crap (again).

 

[peter123]

Keane is clearly one of our best players. He always gets into good positions and there are plently of times yesterday included where the ball just didnt come to him (either crouch couldnt pick him out due the the love making red shirt) or he just didnt seem to get the run.

The thing that concerns me as the previous poster said, is people getting on his back. Its clear that Keane and particularly Crouch can bring something to the team that we need and if used correctly they are major assets.

Its no use getting on at Crouch if the team decides to boot the ball at him all the time. Its clear we can play fluid football and use Crouch at the right times. Its also clear that the best defenders in the world can't cope with him if we use him correctly.

Who can honestly say that a striker of his quality, that can make a 6ft defender feel 5ft 5, is not an asset? I dont think anyone can say he is just a big man either, I dont think there has ever been a striker of his height, with that first touch and ability that crouch has (doesn't that make him world class? :grin:

 

[claw_diddy]

Tactics and personnel didn't lose the game yesterday, its just our mentality that wasn't up to it.

We were playing like rabbits caught in headlights the minute we went 1-0 up and we always do against Man Utd - no belief in that we can actually beat them.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Gio had to fly back from S. America this week so that may have been a consideration.

Personally I don't rate Krancjar (except playing in a free 10 role behind a sole striker) and don't think he can play in the same midfield as Huddlestone. Those two together would make us the slowest most immobile midfield I can ever remember.

I could be wrong but did'nt Palacios and GDS play in the same world cup qualifier earlier this week...?

Palacios made it back and played but GDS was not even on the bench. What more does GDS have to do to even warrant a plave on the bench? Why have 2 RD's on the bench? What do we know about football eh.....:bang:

p.s. Has Keane got it written in his contract that he must start every game??? Surely starting with Bentley, GDS or Nico would have been a better shout and given the team more balance.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Are you being serious or just joking?

If you're being serious you are suggesting that Keane should at this moment be considered first choice above a player who has scored 5 goals in 5 premiership matches, how very Martin Jol!

IMHO he's not our bet forward, he's not our second best forward and he's not our third best forward and from there on its arguable where he is on the list. Is he better in a forward role than Gio would be right now? I can't see Gio being worse.

For me personally he is at best our 5th choice forward and even then i would look for other options.

Truth is he's become a really poor player and despite a decent performance against Liverpool, so far this season he's been crap (again).

I agree he's out of form at the moment but Keane has always, and will always be, a higher calibre player.

The interchanging and interplay of him and Modric is the crux of our attacking play at the moment and it needs to be retained at almost any cost.

I always think of Keane as arthouse and Defoe as multiplex. Keane you sometimes need to be patient with and sometimes takes a second look to notice all the intricacies, but will ultimately always be more rewarding; whereas Defoe is masses-pleasing big explosions and CGI robots hitting each other.

 

[There's always next year]

He's only just turned 29 ffs! His best days are likely ahead of him like happened with Teddy. He only struggled at Liverpool because Benitez wanted to play 4-5-1 and Keane can't play LM.

Age is irrelevant. He's lost what pace he had. He doesn't lead by example. he moans, he bottles tackles, he ducks headers, he goes missing and waves his fucking arms aloft all day.

Sheringham was far more intelligent than Keane in terms of utilising his strengths and his team mates strengths.

Benitez is no mug, maybe an arsehole, but spending £20m on a player and then ditching him after 6 months. He must have seen something alarming to risk such a loss in such a short time.

 

[Legend10]

Age is irrelevant. He's lost what pace he had. He doesn't lead by example. he moans, he bottles tackles, he ducks headers, he goes missing and waves his fucking arms aloft all day.

Sheringham was far more intelligent than Keane in terms of utilising his strengths and his team mates strengths.

Benitez is no mug, maybe an arsehole, but spending £20m on a player and then ditching him after 6 months. He must have seen something alarming to risk such a loss in such a short time.

Agreed, Sheringham was a player that Keane could only be whilst dreaming in his sleep.

 

[diegooners]

He's only just turned 29 ffs! His best days are likely ahead of him like happened with Teddy. He only struggled at Liverpool because Benitez wanted to play 4-5-1 and Keane can't play LM.

It's not about agethough mate. Teddy played in a way which was always going to give him longevity, never ran anywhere near as much as Keane did five years ago or even (albeit slower) now. He also didn't start playing first team football at 16, which invariably takes a massive tole on the developing body. I firmly believe that Keane is past his best, as physically he looks an old player and has done for 18 months.

 

[Dr Know]

the crowd continually getting on robbie's back is not helping though, making him feel more unwanted.

:think: could it be because he is unwanted?

 

[Legend10]

I agree he's out of form at the moment but Keane has always, and will always be, a higher calibre player.

The interchanging and interplay of him and Modric is the crux of our attacking play at the moment and it needs to be retained at almost any cost.

I always think of Keane as arthouse and Defoe as multiplex. Keane you sometimes need to be patient with and sometimes takes a second look to notice all the intricacies, but will ultimately always be more rewarding; whereas Defoe is masses-pleasing big explosions and CGI robots hitting each other.

He's not out of form, what he is is a little boy lost because he doesn't have Berba to hold his hand anymore and make him look somthing he's not! Since the day that partnership was broken up Keane has barely played a half decent game of football and the only half decent ones he has managed have been against poor sides that have been dominated.

The interplay between Keane and Modric? Can't see that, one is a world class performer who helps the other one look slightly better, and the other is a liability who doesn't look quite as bad as he really is because of players like Modric around him.

Keane needs to be dispensed with at any cost alot of people said it pre season and more people are seeing it now, playing Keane has the potential of destroying our whole season. He's not worthy of a shirt at Tottenham Hotspur Football Club!