Sandro + Paulinho doesn't work
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faymantaray
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Worked well against Villa no?
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Hoddle&Waddle
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Paulinho is a better passer than Dembele IMO
Lufti
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I think in the formations we've been lining up with, Paulinho's natural position doesn't exist. He's also quite similar to Luiz Gustavo but they played well together in the Brazilian set up
absolute bobbins
Am Yisrael Chai
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It has to be none of them, no player in our entire squad is above criticism or beyond reproach! Besides, Mousa has become far too adept at the pointless sideways pass to justify a starting spot at the moment
Gbspurs
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You managed to deduce this based on the two times they have started together in the league (both times we won by the way)? Outstanding.
Ghost Hardware
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I don't think Paulinho and Sandro are the problem, it's the lack of movement and clever passing in front of them that is. They are in the line up to be work horses not clever technical players.
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interesting point.
he's only a good passer in the last 30 minutes of games...more space?
early stages are always backwards and sideways passing.
idontgetit
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Dembele's passing is worse than Paulinho's so don't know what you think it will solve. They're also completely different players so I don't know where you getting than from. Sandro's an out and out DM. Paulinho is a classy all round box to box midfielder. Dembele's a powerful midfielder with awesome strength on the ball, great close control and a strong shot but next to no vision and average passing skills.
Hoddle&Waddle
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Think we need to give it more time before we say "it doesn't work", I mean how many times has Paulinho actually played with Sandro? Not many times.
Hoddle&Waddle
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Not saying Paulinho is a great passer, thats not his game, just better than Dembele. Although it's a fair argument that we still need a 'deep lying playmaker' type, that would speed up our play. Capoue or Holtby could be the answer (better passers) but personally I would like us to bring in someone like Pjanic (easier said than done).
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I actually agree with this point. Dembele and Sandro are a good fit and Dembele and Paulinho with decent overlapping wingbacks, but Pauly likes to sit too high up the pitch normally which puts too much distance between him and Sandro.
When Paulinho does track back his passes are short and often backward and he slows things down a lot. I prefer it when Dembele simply turns a player and carries the ball forward. Also, Dembele is not keen on pushing up, which is good in a two man midfield and so as much as I love both Sandro and Paulinho I don't think they give us as much solidity AND link up without Dembele partnering one of them. Keeping them all happy is gonna be very difficult. Anyway, a lot of it also depends on who is playing at 10. Eriksen stays in position, but Holtby drifts.
When Paulinho does track back his passes are short and often backward and he slows things down a lot. I prefer it when Dembele simply turns a player and carries the ball forward. Also, Dembele is not keen on pushing up, which is good in a two man midfield and so as much as I love both Sandro and Paulinho I don't think they give us as much solidity AND link up without Dembele partnering one of them. Keeping them all happy is gonna be very difficult. Anyway, a lot of it also depends on who is playing at 10. Eriksen stays in position, but Holtby drifts.
mpickard2087
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I think both Dembele and Paulinho can be guilty of dicking about with the ball instead of passing it on quickly, more touches = more time for the defence to get set.
However, surely if you want to play a possession based game you drum it into their skulls about the need for a minimum of touches, constant movement and quick interchanges?... And this brings me onto my main point, I don't think chopping and changing personnel in the centre and attacking midfield positions is the answer. Its the mentality, tactics and instructions from the manager/coaching team that need to sharpen up in my opinion.
However, surely if you want to play a possession based game you drum it into their skulls about the need for a minimum of touches, constant movement and quick interchanges?... And this brings me onto my main point, I don't think chopping and changing personnel in the centre and attacking midfield positions is the answer. Its the mentality, tactics and instructions from the manager/coaching team that need to sharpen up in my opinion.
Lufti
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The bigger problem is that as a unit the players aren't working well together..
Sandro likes to get the ball and drive forward, but without movement ahead of him or options on the wings, he either loses it or has to turn back
Paulihno likes to take the ball off the defenders toes and then pick out someone in front of him, but the trouble is, again, there's a lack of movement and he should be an option for the defenders who should be bringing the ball up (though in the last game he was often waiting for the ball in a too advanced position, meaning Sandro/Chiriches had to try and carry it up himself or Holtby had to drop deep)
Dembele as others mentioned is a sideways passer, yes he can beat a man better than most, but when he does get into a good position he usually makes a bad decision..
Holtby likes to ping the ball about with quick passes, often returning the ball to where it came from and then moving, but as the whole five man midfield isn't moving around and doing the same thing, the play just slows down and has to start again
Townsend likes to carry the ball from deep rather than getting in behind the opponent's defence, which, while has been useful and probably our most effective attacking strategy so far, makes it hard for other players to pass to play the ball into him in a dangerous area
Lennon just has a lack of movement off the ball and is only really effective when his full back is pushing up with him and causing a problem for the opponent's defence, which in the last game Walker wasn't doing as he was playing almost as a CM half the time when we had the ball
As for the others, Sigurdsson tucks in too much and waits for the ball, Lamela I can't really judge because of a lack of game time, and Eriksen probably does something which Holtby is also guilty of, dropping too deep to try and influence the play, but effectively nullifying the attacking threat by reducing the number of men forward
But that's my onion of course..
Sandro likes to get the ball and drive forward, but without movement ahead of him or options on the wings, he either loses it or has to turn back
Paulihno likes to take the ball off the defenders toes and then pick out someone in front of him, but the trouble is, again, there's a lack of movement and he should be an option for the defenders who should be bringing the ball up (though in the last game he was often waiting for the ball in a too advanced position, meaning Sandro/Chiriches had to try and carry it up himself or Holtby had to drop deep)
Dembele as others mentioned is a sideways passer, yes he can beat a man better than most, but when he does get into a good position he usually makes a bad decision..
Holtby likes to ping the ball about with quick passes, often returning the ball to where it came from and then moving, but as the whole five man midfield isn't moving around and doing the same thing, the play just slows down and has to start again
Townsend likes to carry the ball from deep rather than getting in behind the opponent's defence, which, while has been useful and probably our most effective attacking strategy so far, makes it hard for other players to pass to play the ball into him in a dangerous area
Lennon just has a lack of movement off the ball and is only really effective when his full back is pushing up with him and causing a problem for the opponent's defence, which in the last game Walker wasn't doing as he was playing almost as a CM half the time when we had the ball
As for the others, Sigurdsson tucks in too much and waits for the ball, Lamela I can't really judge because of a lack of game time, and Eriksen probably does something which Holtby is also guilty of, dropping too deep to try and influence the play, but effectively nullifying the attacking threat by reducing the number of men forward
But that's my onion of course..
ItsBoris
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Paulinho imo was bought for and suits the 4-3-3 formation. I don't think his best position is in a double pivot, he should be higher up the pitch.
I thought our midfield with Capoue, Dembele, and Paulinho looked really good against Swansea so I wouldn't mind us playing that against better teams, and maybe have Eriksen or Holtby in for Dembele against weaker teams.
I thought our midfield with Capoue, Dembele, and Paulinho looked really good against Swansea so I wouldn't mind us playing that against better teams, and maybe have Eriksen or Holtby in for Dembele against weaker teams.
1 1/2 premiership games together, won both and it obviously doesn't work!
Pheeeeeeeeew, it's fun being a Spurs fan in 2013!
You venture on here after we lose 3-0 to West Ham to read people screaming it has to be Sandro & Paulinho, 2 games and 2 wins later with Sandro & Paulinho apparently it now doesn't work with Sandro & Paulinho.
Pheeeeeeeeew, it's fun being a Spurs fan in 2013!
You venture on here after we lose 3-0 to West Ham to read people screaming it has to be Sandro & Paulinho, 2 games and 2 wins later with Sandro & Paulinho apparently it now doesn't work with Sandro & Paulinho.
mil1lion
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Nonsense. Paulinho gets forward way more than Sandro so they are not too similar. The biggest issue we have is that we don't stretch play enough to create space for him to get into. He looks most threatening late on in games when the opposition are worn out and leave space. The wingers come infield all the time and it gets too congested in there for him.
