Match Threads Spurs vs Arsenal

[teddy1066]

Just to say, why would he be standing a couple yards away, in full view of the challenge, and still need to look at a replay to decide if a penalty should be given.

I think it's totally about he was shit scared, let VAR make the decision and then I can go look in slo-mo to see it again.

That wanker is in no way, shape or form fit for purpose as a referee.

Personally I think as he is the “top ref” who gets the “top games” he refs without applying the rules to avoid giving yellows or reds. All the pundits crack on about keeping it 11 v 11 but that actually lets the big teams get away with murder and makes it two tier refrereeing. Tomiyasu committed at least ten fouls in the game. Purely on a topping up basis he should have been booked and that makes Johnson’s job in the second half easier. Partey doesn’t look at the ball and does a two handed push on Romero when he hits the post. Without the push it’s a goal therefore it’s a foul therefore it’s a penalty. White barges Venom and blocks him for the Havertz goal. Rules of the game that’s obstruction. The choice made by the ref and VAR to apply a light touch completely costs us the game.

 

[Dov67]

Jesus, VAR is ruining this game alright, and the post match discussion of it. Ange is right about that much at least.

The time and word count dedicated to complaining about the ref on here is ridiculous. Because of VAR, every fucking teams fans are now constantly spouting victim hood and conspiracy about every decision, big and small, that goes against your team.

The pen wasn't that big of a fuck up. That video one page back is hilarious - nobody in the crowd from behind the goal could make a call on the because it's not viewable from there, but everyone immediately screams for a pen. Then the players are dancing and arm waving to kick up a fuss. These things happen in an instant and while it was a pen, the refs rely on var now when in doubt.

We lost, despite a spirited comeback, because we're fairly poor in attack, very open at conceding chances, and like an underage team defending corners at the moment. Not because the ref is a bug-eyed partisan or incompetent hack trying to screw us over.

I think we lost through a combination of things - they were clinical in attack, and we we were not, defending set pieces obviously, and every major ref decision went their way and against us.

All three reasons are true - it doesn’t excuse us shooting ourselves in the foot repeatedly, but neither can we totally ignore how bad the officiating was, and the impact it inevitably had on the final result.

PS - for the Deki pen - I was more or less in line with it from the West Stand - i was sure in real time it was a pen and thought it would be given, which just shows how silly and naive i can be at times

 

[Cavehillspur]

Just remembered Neville demanding a straight red for Richarlison after we made it 3-2, guy is a complete tosser, im convinced he has a feed into that var room.

 

[Styopa]

Jesus, VAR is ruining this game alright, and the post match discussion of it. Ange is right about that much at least.

The time and word count dedicated to complaining about the ref on here is ridiculous. Because of VAR, every fucking teams fans are now constantly spouting victim hood and conspiracy about every decision, big and small, that goes against your team.

The pen wasn't that big of a fuck up. That video one page back is hilarious - nobody in the crowd from behind the goal could make a call on the because it's not viewable from there, but everyone immediately screams for a pen. Then the players are reconstructing, and all the fuss kicks off. These things happen in an instant and while it was a pen, the refs rely on var now when in doubt.

We lost, despite a spirited comeback, because we're fairly poor in attack, very open at conceding chances, and like an underage team defending corners at the moment. Not because the ref is a bug-eyed partisan or incompetent hack trying to screw us over.

Even aside from the var, Romero hit the post from close range and Son missed a great chance, both in the first half. Another day at least one of those goes in. The goal which we did score which was disallowed and the pen appeal were in addition to some other big moments during that half.

That’s not to say we would have been level at half time or there weren’t major problems with our performance, it’s just pointing out some of the major incidents in the first half.

If one of Arsenal’s goals had been ruled out by var in similar circumstances we probably would have said we had a bit of a let off.

 

[philll]

Just remembered Neville demanding a straight red for Richarlison after we made it 3-2, guy is a complete tosser, im convinced he has a feed into that var room.

What for? I had the pleasure of Lee Dixon on my stream and don't remember Richy really doing anything controversial...

 

[ernie78]

What for? I had the pleasure of Lee Dixon on my stream and don't remember Richy really doing anything controversial...

He ran into Gabriel and Neville went nuts screaming for a red “he’s nutted him, he’s nutted him!!”
2 mins later after seeing the replay for 5th time “oh no he didn’t actually”
Idiot

 

[easley91]

I think this is part of the issue now, the rules seem to be really flexible and allow the ref's to do whatever they see fit. Sometimes a challenge is a foul, sometimes it's a card and sometimes it's totally ignored. I've also never understood why something is a foul in the centre circle but gets ignored in the box.

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Oh I have never understood the notion of it being a foul elsewhere on the pitch and not in the box. Much like being booked too early. Nah if it's a foul and a yellow card then give it regardless of where and when it occurs.

And sorry for this thread to keep harping on the officials but that time wasting and barely any yellows whatsoever?! Rice kicked the ball away at one point right and got a talking to. Nothing more.

We didn't lose just because of Oliver and his inept assistants, but they played a big part in it.

 

[easley91]

What for? I had the pleasure of Lee Dixon on my stream and don't remember Richy really doing anything controversial...

He ran straight into Gabriel. Wasn't a headbutt but was pretty forceful. It wasn't a red by any means, though did laugh.

 

[cozzo]

Officiating was a joke but we simply have to get better at defending the transition.
For the 2nd goal, Arsenal cleared the ball and Davies was isolated against Saka. It was naive, amateur and unacceptable.

Look at how quickly Arsenal get men back when they lose possession; umpteen times in the 1st half we got the ball and were faced with 9/10 red shirts. We didn’t move the ball quick enough but even so, they move up & back down the pitch as a unit extremely well.

He can’t ignore the need to defend better as a team. What concerns me somewhat is he’s had lots of time on the training pitch and if anything, we look more vulnerable. Ok we need some better players in key positions but the team structure isn’t good enough.

This has happened a few times this season, teams get to us too easily. Ange mentioned it too

 

[14/04/91]

This has happened a few times this season, teams get to us too easily. Ange mentioned it too

Absolutely has, I don’t tend to worry about one-offs but this is a fairly regular problem.
Ange should be working on it rigorously; it’s gonna happen because we flood forward but he simply has to work out a way of having enough bodies getting back.

 

[Dougal]

Robbie from AFTV:

"Away fans have to run the gauntlet up Seven Sisters Road year after year. I've got West Ham fans and Chelsea fans who tell me the same thing.

"If you are going to Tottenham, you are taking your life in your hands."



Tottenham High Road yesterday:

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

And another bonus is the way Son pretty much dispatched it in no nonsense fashion even after it was held up for quite a while before it was taken. One positive is that I’ve seen no evidence in a drop off of how Son puts away penalties from the way Kane used to for us.

Very true, great clutch penalty from
Sonny

 

[bigfrooj]

I went to an event at Wembley a couple of weeks ago, with Howard Webb and Anthony Taylor - it was a corporate breakfast thing for the charity the Twinning Probject (https://www.twinningproject.org/ - brilliant charity BTW!!

The basic theme was that a referees job is very difficult and they can have a bad day and make mistakes just like everyone else.

Fair enough, cannot argue with that.

However, if this is just a bad day and these are honest mistakes, then one would expect those mistakes to fall roughly evenly between both sides. If 80/90% of these honest mistakes favour one side and penalise another then, it is entirely reasonable to be suspicious.

I dont think Oliver was bribed, or got a deposit into a Cayman account, but did he ref that game without bias or favour??

Every major decision went against us…..every one!

• Fouling VIc - nothing given
• VDV goal - FFS, you have to be kidding me
• Romero fouled when his header hit the post
• Deki penalty
• Time wasting is allowed when the goons do it
• 7 subs, one VAR decision and 30 secs taken for each goal kick - 6 mins stoppage time
• Davies gets kicked in the nuts 3 feet from Oliver - nah! That’s not a penalty!!

These decision, in a 5 min period completely flipped the game on its head.

If half of those decisions went for us and half for the goons, then OK. He’s just had a stinker - but all of them??

I think we were about 5 mins in and we knew which way the referee was going to go. So biased it was ridiculous and I used the word literally - some of the things he was doing just didn't make sense. We knew how the big decisions were going to go.

 

[spurs mental]

I think we were about 5 mins in and we knew which way the referee was going to go. So biased it was ridiculous and I used the word literally - some of the things he was doing just didn't make sense. We knew how the big decisions were going to go.

The first Tomayasu challenge, less than 2 minutes on the clock after Deki had played the pass back to Romero and he got shoved to the ground was off the ball and late. By any standard that is a yellow.

Oliver is a cad. Cops out every time. I'm convinced he didn't award the penalty in real time because he's afraid of what Arteta might say about him and he'd get dropped from next week's games in turn. Either that or he's absolutely shit at his job. Which is also highly likely. Or both.

 

[DJS]

How did White get away with messing with Vicario’s gloves?

I mean the dude glows so isn’t hard to miss, would imagine constantly in ref’s view?

 

[CheeseGromit]

Does all this about the Ref mean we are not tough enough I think we have lacked a presence for some time now. Why didnt we do the same to Reya at corners Why didnt Davies rough up Saka
Richarlason at least had the bit between his teeth even if he wasnt very subtle
If its going to referred in this way then we have to compete

 

[ernie78]

Does all this about the Ref mean we are not tough enough I think we have lacked a presence for some time now. Why didnt we do the same to Reya at corners Why didnt Davies rough up Saka
Richarlason at least had the bit between his teeth even if he wasnt very subtle
If its going to referred in this way then we have to compete

This 100% I just don’t get why we don’t do the same at corners.

we don’t seem to be able to be a bit hard without it turning into stupidity.
jose was right we’re too nice and need to be clever ****s

 

[dirtyh]

Does all this about the Ref mean we are not tough enough I think we have lacked a presence for some time now. Why didnt we do the same to Reya at corners Why didnt Davies rough up Saka
Richarlason at least had the bit between his teeth even if he wasnt very subtle
If its going to referred in this way then we have to compete

agree hugely. every other team seems far dirtier than us and they certainly get away with it. this naivety in the dark arts or simply not kicking the fuck out of someone is something (romero aside) we lack enormously.

 

[jackson]

Ange had an interesting take on that in his match interview. As far as he’s concerned matches are refereed by VAR and the in field referee doesn’t bother to make decisions anymore, especially big important ones, but just waits for VAR to tell him what the decision is. You could say this is borne out by the penalty we WERE given. Oliver is 5 feet away looking at Rice clearly kick Davies yet made no decision until VAR told him to.

He made a decision, crossed waved his arms to say no penalty, he seemed to be defaulting to 'no' and then let VAR correct anything 'clear and obvious' which I assume is what Ange is saying.

Problem with that is you then get into 'not enough to overule the on-field decision' territory which leaves too much room for inconsistency, that's the biggest issue with the current state of things. The same/similar incidents have different outcomes in different games

 

[Stamford]

Just remembered Neville demanding a straight red for Richarlison after we made it 3-2, guy is a complete tosser, im convinced he has a feed into that var room.

Neville has a lot of influence. He shapes the narratives on games and on players like Romero.