Match Threads Spurs vs Chelsea - Day 11

[Rob]

“If we were down to 5 we’d still have a go”

I’m sold. Ange’s response to last night tells me way more about where we’re going than a bunch of 1 goal wins against relegation candidates.

The song is spot on.

“Whether it’s right or wrong, we’ll play the way we want to”

 

[1882andallthat]

There were some similarities with the Liverpool game yet there were also key differences.

Individuals in our team failed to learn the lessons from that Liverpool game.
For example, Romero was already pushing his luck after getting away with a petulant kick out Beckham style less than 10 minutes before he got his marching orders with a lunging tackle which was not too dissimilar to the Curtis Jones tackle on Bissouma, maybe he felt he had a false sense of complacency that he wouldn't get a red after Udogie went lunging into Sterling and Udogie only escaped a red because he didn't connect with Sterling's leg.
If you make those sort of lunging tackles and follow through as a player in today's climate you should know what's coming. I think Romero began to think that he could get away with any sort of tackle because of what went on before and that was foolish because he got a rude awakening when we were punished double with a red and a penalty which clearly turned the game.
I also think that Udogie also failed to heed warnings until it was too late, in a similar way that Jota did, knowing he was already walking a tightrope why did he go in like that when he knew what would be coming. Again a foolish sense of complacency and a failure to learn, the irony being that he pointed to his own head immediately after the tackle in an admission that he lost his head in an act of madness that really did kill stone dead of any kind of hopes of preserving our unbeaten run.

The key differences, firstly in the way the commentators were quick to leap to the defence of Liverpool's Curtis Jones whilst in complete contrast they were so dismissive of Romero even though Romero got far more of the ball than Curtis Jones did. Was that a Liverpool bias being shown or was it a case of Romero having a history for making wild lunging tackles in the way he did and doing so whilst he was in his own penalty area ?

The other key difference was in the high line tactics we deployed after being reduced to 9 in contrast to Liverpool's low block when being reduced to the same number that so very nearly saw us snatch a draw with a couple of late chances, amd so very nearly saw Liverpool do the same by deploying completely different tactics after going down to 9.

The final contrast being the way Postecoglu reacted after the game which was in complete contrast to Klopp's whines and whinges.

All in all much to be proud of but at the same time much for players to learn from the very recent past from in a game that we went from being in complete control of to completely losing it through ill discipline and getting caught up in the moment amd the heat of a compulsive attritional slug fest when the warning signs were there for us to calm things down whilst we were 1-0 up.

 

[mattspur1986]

I stayed off last night as didn’t want to be knee jerk, but we absolutely lost our heads for about 15/20 and gave tajt to Chelsea. Was battle of th e bridge again, we was cruising and in complete control l
Romero pribably deserved to go, Udogie could have went for his 1st challenge.

refereeing agin though, shocking where is the consistency? How Reece James didn’t go is beyond belief.

saw a stat earlier too. We committed 12 free kicks and 2 re cards, Chelsea commited 25!! No red card, mudryk had 6 alone!

where the fuck is the consistency?

man’s it’s not even the loss that hurts. It’s losing Micky until the new year that will fuck us, I hope we use Phillips now.

dust ourselves off and go again, although dreading the back line against wolves - gives me end of era conte vibes.

 

[Dougal]

Not sure how much truth there is I. It but there’s a rumour going around that Pat Jennings took ill last night before the game. No idea of the level of it but just want to wish the Big Man the very best.

 

[mad4madders]

Watching the game at 15 mins in it could have been so different. Sons shot not being offside we are cruising at 2-0. We looked probably the most in-control I have seen all season. Then it was like a switch went off. We suddenly let them back into the game and heads went. So strange being that early in a game. I think it was young heads and lack of experience that didn’t help. However Romero should definitely have learnt by now which is another concern. Unfortunately I think that’s always going to be part of the parcel having him play for us, his always going to have that tendency to blow. The tackle in the box I can’t really blame him for, listening to Neville (zzzzzz) I was so angry thinking where the heck is his foot supposed to go? It was more the kick out which I think he was a lucky boy to get away with that disappointed me and I thought he was lucky to still be on the pitch. I am gutted I won’t lie as they were there for a real beating if the first 15 was anything to go by. However this team is different now and the fight in us is something we have lacked for a good few seasons at least. onwards and upwards.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I personally think that was one of the worst nights of being a spurs fan that I've experienced. For the result, the context, the opposition, the man sitting in their managers seat, the players lost through injury and match bans. Just awful.

We can argue and rationalise all we want, that's going to take some getting over.

Worse only because of expectation. For all the positivity in our first 10 games, how many of us here are really thinking we could be spoken of title contenders? Performance aside from last night, many would have taken the current position and points tally without hesitation before the start of season.

And then if we talk about the performance last night, I don't think we can be any more proud of those who were left in the field till the end. That mentality and bravery could have won us some of those pivotal games in our title chase against Leicester and chelscum, the CL final against Liverpool, the League Cup final against Citeh, to mention a few of those games which we lost because in those games we lacked all of what was displayed last night. And there managing us for those games was the one in the opposition dugout. Just one game of an adversity circumstances under Ange gave me tonnes of hope over Poch would have.

I can't disagree on the injuries though. Really can't do anything about it.

 

[hughy]

Kept awake last night by the thought of four marginal (but ultimately correct) offside decisions going against us, any of them being in our favour and we would have likely got something from the game.

- Son's goal to make it 2-0.
- Caicedo's goal, had this been allowed I don't think the phase following would have counted meaning Romero might have remained on
- Chelsea's second goal
- Diers disallowed goal

It was a game of fine margins even up until the 94th minute. Quite incredible we were even still in a contest until then to be honest.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

I personally think that was one of the worst nights of being a spurs fan that I've experienced. For the result, the context, the opposition, the man sitting in their managers seat, the players lost through injury and match bans. Just awful.

We can argue and rationalise all we want, that's going to take some getting over.

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[Ron Burgundy]

I personally think that was one of the worst nights of being a spurs fan that I've experienced. For the result, the context, the opposition, the man sitting in their managers seat, the players lost through injury and match bans. Just awful.

We can argue and rationalise all we want, that's going to take some getting over.

I’m over it. Focus now on managing player absences and upcoming fixtures.

Players giving a shit. Spurs fans supporting the team even after a loss. That’s the connection I’m after.

I’m enjoying football again

 

[tommo84]

Kept awake last night by the thought of four marginal (but ultimately correct) offside decisions going against us, any of them being in our favour and we would have likely got something from the game.

- Son's goal to make it 2-0.
- Caicedo's goal, had this been allowed I don't think the phase following would have counted meaning Romero might have remained on
- Chelsea's second goal
- Diers disallowed goal

It was a game of fine margins even up until the 94th minute. Quite incredible we were even still in a contest until then to be honest.

The Romero foul happened in the build-up to the Caicedo strike so there’s a chance VAR would have still recommended a red card.

 

[easley91]

I was over it pretty quickly last night. My overriding feeling was what the hell did I just watch?

We were in total control until Udogie's two footer.

Every goal was rightly given or disallowed.

Udogie was lucky not to go straight away.

Romero could have gone for his kick (yes he was pushed but he shouldn't react the way he did).

Unfortunately it was a penalty in the current climate, but the red is incredibly harsh. Where is his foot supposed to go after clearing the ball?

Vicario was so close to saving it.

Udogie shouldn't have slid in on Sterling while on a yellow.

The 9 left, especially Vicario, Dier, Hojbjerg and Emerson, did us proud. Kept playing the Ange way regardless of whether they thought differently in their heads. Shows Ange everyone has bought in to it.

We could and maybe should have made it 2-2. Dier was inches offside, Bentancur should have scored and Son was close.

It was just too much in the end. It took a penalty and three tap ins to beat 9 players.

Not angry, not upset, just proud even in defeat. Stick to our beliefs and keep going. We can still go back top with a win v Wolves and we only dropped to second after all that. Onwards and upwards.

 

[jay2040]

It was like the first Rocky flick where we lost but still won!

 

[Gassin's finest]

Worse only because of expectation. For all the positivity in our first 10 games, how many of us here are really thinking we could be spoken of title contenders? Performance aside from last night, many would have taken the current position and points tally without hesitation before the start of season.

And then if we talk about the performance last night, I don't think we can be any more proud of those who were left in the field till the end. That mentality and bravery could have won us some of those pivotal games in our title chase against Leicester and chelscum, the CL final against Liverpool, the League Cup final against Citeh, to mention a few of those games which we lost because in those games we lacked all of what was displayed last night. And there managing us for those games was the one in the opposition dugout. Just one game of an adversity circumstances under Ange gave me tonnes of hope over Poch would have.

I can't disagree on the injuries though. Really can't do anything about it.

I don't care about title expectations or any of that. I care about shooting ourselves in the foot as usual, and losing 4-1 at home to that execrable lot when all we had to do was play our game the way we have all season and we would've wiped the floor with them. And to make it worse, our best and most beloved manager of recent times was in their dugout.

It's that we do it to ourselves that frustrates the most. That it's so avoidable. Yeah it was worse under Jose and Conte, but the difference is I didn't care anymore with them, I was just waiting for the inevitable.

I care again. So it hurts more.

 

[TonyS]

Woke up analyzing the game and the Ole, what ifs start creeping in. We just need to dust ourselves down, assess the injuries and get ready for Wolves. I know a lot on here are worried about losing VDV and the impact that will have. With a fresher pair of eyes this morning, and looking at how Dier @ PEH played after coming on, I believe we will be fine. And the reason is, the big guy, Ange. He will find a way to galvanize the team and make sure whoever fills the spots, will do whats required. It was so obvious last night. I was sat near our bench and you could see that the players were so united and would do anything for him. He has that aura about him.

As for the manager on the other side and in the words of Tony Soprano, "he's dead to me". I never gave him a second thought. He's history as far as I'm concerned. I have the same feeling for him as I did when Hoddle, Gazza, Bale and more lately Kane left. They mean nothing to me. Roll on Wolves. COYS

 

[mattspur1986]

jesus that sucked. two players deservedly sent off. we lose 4-1 with two reds and people are digging it?

All we’ve asked for years is commitment, and to see a plan. If you can’t see past the result ( 1 result ) then that’s on you pal.

yes Romero lost his head again, but a LOT, and I mean a LOT went against us, if Micky don’t get injured, if Maddison doesn’t get injured - if Reece James DESERVEDLY sees red for his elbow just before HT, we don’t lose that.

it sucks, we lost our heads for about 20 mins and gave it them, but all we wanted is progress, we’re getting that. There will be results like this, stings more cos it’s poch and Chelsea.

 

[neogenisis]

Morning after and I still dont understand why we lost our heads the way we did. Amazing performance still and it says everything that even with 9 men no one really knew if Chelsea were going to win.

 

[jazz15c]

This is why we so desperately needed that 3rd CB in the Summer, so that when Romero decides to have one of those games, he can be taken out of of it and sat in the corner until he behaves while the grown-ups play the game. His rashness has now been further amplified by VDV's injury. Brilliant. Fucking well done.

 

[Monkey boy]

It was like the first Rocky flick where we lost but still won!

woow, spoiler that kind of shit please some of us are waiting for the DVD box set at christmas

 

[spursfan77]

This says it all. Whisper it quietly but something is happening at THFC for a reaction like this and the getting behind the team like we did in the second half. Haven’t seen anything like it before.

 

[TOLBINY]

Liverpool showed us a few weeks ago how to defend with 9 men - yes I am aware they still lost but only to a freak 96th minute og.
Some will say that Ange still wanting to play the high line when we have 9 men and our central defensive pairing is Dier & PEH (both of whom performed well but lack pace) is noble - I don't agree. And I can see us crashing down the earth without VDV if we continue with that high line, even with 11 men. What's the saying 'pride comes beforer a fall.