Match Threads Spurs vs Fulham - Match Thread - Day 16

[rossdapep]

Well there is a solution. Don’t play them.

And play who???

 

[The Apprentice]

And play who???

I’d play Anne the cleaner over Sissoko

 

[C0YS]

We cut them open straight away when Lamela came on. It's fucking obvious what the problem is and that problem was the same problem Poch had.

It's a total refusal to put enough players on the pitch who can play sharp and incisive pass and move football, which is something that only works when there's enough players on the pitch who have the ability and natural ability to do so. We have herd immunity to it because both Poch and Mourinho keep choosing players like Sissoko over players like Lamela.

Wait. I agree today he should have, but you wouldn't put Lamela on for a CM right, because we'd be so exposed, we'd be disorganised. Like usually they don't play in the same position.

Firstly, as I said before, our caginess is partly in design, high risk passes, and happy to play out of possession. But also, we normally react well to going down, and that's not because of personnel, it's because we open ourselves up a lot more, we start pressing as a team a lot more, we start getting up more numbers up the field. Before that, even when attacking, we play within ourselves, we make sure to be solid and attack. This will naturally blunt your attack. You often see players of ours, in possession with little options, because nobody is gambling, because our mentality is that it's too costly to gamble. This is the issue.

Poch's issue was more than personnel too and selection. Poch's teams built from the back, they built in a way that means when you do actually get the ball beyond half way you can be very deadly, but it started from 'positional play' that built from the back. Often this was a set of particular passes to build space in certain areas, literally the direction players face in different phases of build up changes right. He was very stubborn in this method. Now playing Lamela, who would only likely to reach the ball in the later phases of our build up play, and Sissoko who would touch the ball earlier, they do different roles, and it wouldn't suddenly work if you play Lamela. It doesn't work at all. Part of Poch's problem is we weren't that flexible, and late poch we had a real problem connecting our patient building from the back with our forward line, particularly as we really lacked width, and our offensive players would often play very close to each other. Personel is a problem, but the issue was the tactical system itself wasn't working, and it not working lead to a crisis of confidence that created bigger problems. Maybe with time he would have found a solution, but the problem there was partly a very thin team maybe with the wrong kind of problems, but it also was set up. And here we have the reverse.

Let's not be dramatic though, we draw too many games, we are not a great watch, but we are still not actually doing badly this season.

 

[C0YS]

this has to stop. they aren't good enough mate.

this has to stop. Unsubstantiated opinion.

Managers seem to not hold your point of view. And, more than that, there is always a scape goat, people always need something to blame, and once you realise that, fuck me.

Trippier was a massive scapegoat. Right now he is a star player, honestly playing fantastic stuff, in a team running away with la liga. How did that happen? People have their targets, and then confirmation bias is a thing.

 

[Bobbins]

Poch has won a trophy.

They could win trophies in that country without even bothering to have a manager. He won absolutely fuck all at Spurs, when it mattered.

 

[Bobbins]

bUt We SaT bAcK.

So why did we draw, yet again?

 

[Martinhotspur]

When was the last time we actually bought a player who would make you get up of your seat. That's between Poch and Jose. All we buy are industrial footballers who bore the pants off us.

 

[Bobbins]

When was the last time we actually bought a player who would make you get up of your seat. That's between Poch and Jose. All we buy are industrial footballers who bore the pants off us.

Lo Celso
N'Dombele
Reguillon
Based on the last two season performances, Doherty.

That statement is patently untrue. N'Dombele in particular is the exact opposite of an industrious player - he's the epitome of the languid luxury player who is more interested in outrageous skills than tracking back. And he was our record buy.

 

[C0YS]

Sorry but this simply isn’t true. Who in our team bar the usual 4, are above average players? We could put the entire team on the market and we would only have suitors for Kane, Son, PEH and N’Dombele. That’s the real truth of it.

Valencia are actively trying to get winks btw, either on loan or on permanent, journalists in Spain see the interest as very serious, but we don't want to sell, as confirmed by Mourinho. Him being homegrown has a large part to do with it. So your statement is demonstrably rubbish.

 

[TheTanguy]

I’d play Anne the cleaner over Sissoko

Sissoko is the better athlete, but Anne is a much better footballer.

 

[dondo]

and poch got sacked for the dross in the second of those last two seasons. CL aside we were dreadful.

I only stated they were starters as another poster said they wasn’t nothing to do with results

 

[C0YS]

When was the last time we actually bought a player who would make you get up of your seat. That's between Poch and Jose. All we buy are industrial footballers who bore the pants off us.

It depends, Lucas Moura, could, sporadically be genuinely exciting, if inconsistent, particularly when playing in a much more central position. But when your coach wants you to be industrious, that's what you are.

 

[NorthernYido]

We may as well have set a sign up when Fulham arrived saying points available here. As soon as that team sheet came out they knew we were going to be passive and that sissoko would offer no threat in that position.

 

[dondo]

Sanchez wouldn't have played if Vertonghen/Toby were fit.
Winks never would have played if Dembele/Wanyama weren't made of glass.
Sissoko would have never played when we had Eriksen, Alli and Son across the front 3.

So it's not an absolute lie is it?

It is a lie because all 3 were very much starters despite the reasons

 

[idontgetit]

One point for anyone who can explain to me why this cretin off Reddit is wrong. Because I can't.

 

[DiVaio]

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One point for anyone who can explain to me why this cretin off Reddit is wrong. Because I can't.

Because this is simply wrong and for most of the time we are playing good football who isn't boring at all?

 

[cjbyid]

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One point for anyone who can explain to me why this cretin off Reddit is wrong. Because I can't.

Can't argue with that sadly. Although United aren't great on the eye.

They get results so it's easier to dismiss whereas we don't.

 

[C0YS]

and poch got sacked for the dross in the second of those last two seasons. CL aside we were dreadful.

The reality is the memory of that isn't really aligned with what actually happened that season. After 19 games we were second in the league. After 26 games our record was 20 wins, 6 losses. Or in points, 60 points in 26 games, only 6 points from top, which over a normal season put us on around 87 points, which frankly, most seasons would be title winning. We collapsed in that last 3rd of the season, winning only 3 games. A lot of this form was due to injuries, though it definitely wasn't good, injuries or not. But it wasn't a whole season, because until mid-February we look set to actually make a step forward compared to previous seasons. So it wasn't aside from CL we were terrible, it's not true, we were very good for large parts of that season, and we were also a penalty shoot-out away from another cup final, It'sjust part of this revisionism to make the past worse than it was, which frankly, baffles me.

 

[dirtyh]

Just gutless, get the second before you shut up shop ffs. How many fucking times does the same thing need to happen before we learn from it?? Am just exhausted with it all having that tiny bit of hope then getting dick punched again and again and again. My own fault for still giving a fuck even after being stuck in a loop for all these years.

our game management is league 2 standard at best and always has been.

 

[rossdapep]

United's midfield -

Pogba - Can be truly sublime on his day although he frustrates too. Scores goals

Fernandes - One of the best in the league, always contributes towards goals and assists.

Fred - Not perfect but he does give a nice balance and is quite progressive with the ball.

McTominay - Gets hammered but hes a brave player, is strong and quite dependable.

Matic - Not the same player but hes very difficult to get off the ball (as Gerard stated), good passer, progressive and has a solid shot.

Van De Beek - technically very good, execllent movement, gets assists and gets into the penalty area.

I could do the same for City. I could do the same for Liverpool.

Now compare that to ours.

Midfields win you games because they can control the game, they help cover the defence in defensive transition and they provide the springboard/creativity in attacking transitions.

Ours is not capable.

 

[Phil-spur99]

I’d play Anne the cleaner over Sissoko

Levy’s furloughed her.