The Cricket Thread

[southlondonyiddo]

- The Butcher interview you refer to.

Thanks for that. There is actually another clip that I was referring to where he says he was listening to the incident on the radio so didn’t see/know exactly what went on. He phoned his dad Alan who described the incident

I agree completely with both Alan & Mark

Stay in your bloody ground until it’s safe/ok to leave it…

 

[dimiSpur]

With Pope out there is definitely a solid argument to bring Foakes in and move maybe Root to 3 and Bairstow to 4-6. There's always a big debate over moving Root, but I can't see how him playing 3 or 4 makes a big difference, especially when most of his career he's been in with England 50-2 and he's basically been a number 3.

 

[Dunc2610]

As an Essex fan I can safely say Dan Lawrence is rubbish (but I only say that as he's leaving for Surrey at the end of this season, not that Essex fans are bitter). I do think its quite a step down from Pope to Lawrence though!

 

[Dunc2610]

With Pope out there is definitely a solid argument to bring Foakes in and move maybe Root to 3 and Bairstow to 4-6. There's always a big debate over moving Root, but I can't see how him playing 3 or 4 makes a big difference, especially when most of his career he's been in with England 50-2 and he's basically been a number 3.

They've said no callups to the squad, so it'll be Lawrence.

 

[McFlash]

When it comes to the spirit of cricket, some cricketers are so low that they can crawl under a snake whilst wearing a top hat. It just happens the majority of them are Australian

Australia... there's more culture in a yoghurt!

 

[McFlash]

Is this against the spirit of the game or opportunistic genius from Bairstow?

Again, I'd say that's different and while cheeky, clever on JB's behalf and stupid of the batsman.
Schoolboy error from the batsman there because you always keep your foot planted behind the crease.
JB was totally behind his crease, scratching around and then went for a wander.
I guess it's the timing that makes the difference.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Again, I'd say that's different and while cheeky, clever on JB's behalf and stupid of the batsman.
Schoolboy error from the batsman there because you always keep your foot planted behind the crease.
JB was totally behind his crease, scratching around and then went for a wander.
I guess it's the timing that makes the difference.

Shithousary at its best

……and you can ‘go for wander’ when it’s safe to do so

 

[dvdhopeful]

Don't feed the trolls.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

You can choose to ignore explanations, but I'll keep posting them and with evidence too.

I am saying it's different, not because I'm saying you know nothing about cricket, but with an actual explanation, which is pretty self evident from the video which you've admittedly not located and therefore not seen. Here it is to refresh your memory.



Colin de BrickShitHouse (for those of you who listen to the Tailenders), edges the ball and RUNS down the pitch, apparently looking to set off on a run. Even if he wasn't doing that in his mind, it looked like that. I can tell you for sure what it wasn't and what it definitely didn't look like. It didn't look like Colin considered the ball dead and wandered down the pitch to have a chat with the non-striker. If nothing else, he fell out of his crease, as batsmen do when defeated by a ball which makes them lose balance.

If you're response to the above is "fuck you", then there really is little point to continuing this debate.

As for the other presumably Aussie poster who has mental health concerns because there's a debate on an internet fucking forum, if his moral code is such that someone telling him he knows little about cricket hurt his feelings, you'd expect him to be the first in line to consider the morality and spirit of the action we're discussing. Alas, not.

I’m English. I got a little heated yesterday (sorry everyone) so I feel the need to explain myself a bit better.

I posted not as whataboutism, but because I think the whole thing is a storm in a tea cup, and reached ridiculous proportions with the PM bothering to answer a question he could have batted off. When I was younger, we derided the Ozzie PM for wading into cricket matters. It was perceived to be beneath such a high office

All teams push the boundaries, and the spirit of cricket is ambiguous and selectively applied (though clearly I didn’t make that point very well).

There are plenty of examples where - in the heat of the moment - our team have ignored that very spirit. And for the most part, we barely bat an eye

ultimately, we lost because of our shit batting and bowling in the first innings - not because of Bairstows brain fart

my “mental health concerns” aren’t because of a “debate on a forum” - I’ve had a personally brutal couple of years, and I can’t stand how people resort to personal abuse when someone has an alternative view point.

The internet has given strangers carte blanche to talk to each other like shit, and I really don’t like it- especially not when we’re all meant to be drawn by a love for spurs.

Disagree or dislike my posts all you want - it’s no skin off my nose, those buttons are there to be used, and I have as much right to use them as anyone else has - but I draw the line at personal abuse to make a point.

That’s worse to me than whether someone uses a “dislike” or “disagree” button

 

[southlondonyiddo]

You can choose to ignore explanations, but I'll keep posting them and with evidence too.

I am saying it's different, not because I'm saying you know nothing about cricket, but with an actual explanation, which is pretty self evident from the video which you've admittedly not located and therefore not seen. Here it is to refresh your memory.



Colin de BrickShitHouse (for those of you who listen to the Tailenders), edges the ball and RUNS down the pitch, apparently looking to set off on a run. Even if he wasn't doing that in his mind, it looked like that. I can tell you for sure what it wasn't and what it definitely didn't look like. It didn't look like Colin considered the ball dead and wandered down the pitch to have a chat with the non-striker. If nothing else, he fell out of his crease, as batsmen do when defeated by a ball which makes them lose balance.

If you're response to the above is "fuck you", then there really is little point to continuing this debate.

As for the other presumably Aussie poster who has mental health concerns because there's a debate on an internet fucking forum, if his moral code is such that someone telling him he knows little about cricket hurt his feelings, you'd expect him to be the first in line to consider the morality and spirit of the action we're discussing. Alas, not.

So Bairstow considered the ball dead!!! Well whoopie doo - unfortunately for him it’s not his decision, the umpires didn’t…..

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

haha, @dimiSpur don't get involved, it's not worth it.

 

[bc205]

So Bairstow considered the ball dead!!! Well whoopie doo - unfortunately for him it’s not his decision, the umpires didn’t…..

No one is arguing that Bairstow wasn't out, or that he wasn't being a bit dozy.

The argument is that the Aussies were being shithouses by deliberately taking advantage of Bairstow's doziness. They knew that he thought the ball was dead when it wasn't.

It's not the same as stumping someone who is already outside their crease, or overbalancing while playing the ball.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

No one is arguing that Bairstow wasn't out, or that he wasn't being a bit dozy.

The argument is that the Aussies were being shithouses by deliberately taking advantage of Bairstow's doziness. They knew that he thought the ball was dead when it wasn't.

It's not the same as stumping someone who is already outside their crease, or overbalancing while playing the ball.

This has been explained a number of times. You're wasting your time, it's just not worth the bother, i'd just let it go

 

[dvdhopeful]

He said whoopie doo, he actually said whoopie doo.....

 

[southlondonyiddo]

No one is arguing that Bairstow wasn't out, or that he wasn't being a bit dozy.

The argument is that the Aussies were being shithouses by deliberately taking advantage of Bairstow's doziness. They knew that he thought the ball was dead when it wasn't.

It's not the same as stumping someone who is already outside their crease, or overbalancing while playing the ball.

Yep I know all that mate but it’s more than doziness and he has to be more switched on

This whole spirit of cricket stuff is all very grey. I’ve played league cricket my whole life and it was first and foremost utter stupidity from the batsman. ( I was/am a bowler though so I’ve got no time for them!!)

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

So Brook at 3, Wood, Woakes and Ali in. Tongue and Anderson rested.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

So Brook at 3, Wood, Woakes and Ali in. Tongue and Anderson rested.

Do I not like that

Utter madness not to play Foakes now.

We’d 100% be 1-1 if Foakes had been picked originally and it could even be 2-0

Hating Brook at 3. Having all sorts of trouble with the short ball and batting 3 makes that even worse!

……Why does Tongue need a rest!?

Real shame Wood is injured. Apparently it’s his elbow and he’s knackered

 

[Impspur1]

Don’t understand Tongue being rested. best bowler last test and played one test

 

[Impspur1]

Do I not like that

Utter madness not to play Foakes now.

We’d 100% be 1-1 if Foakes had been picked originally and it could even be 2-0

Hating Brook at 3. Having all sorts of trouble with the short ball and batting 3 makes that even worse!

……Why does Tongue need a rest!?

Real shame Wood is injured. Apparently it’s his elbow and he’s knackered

Woods in

 

[dvdhopeful]

Woods in

Give it a minute, he'll be back to say what he meant to say was that Wood is shit and it's a bad decision....