The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 30th January 2019

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

It is an absolute failure on Levy's part that Janssen still hasn't gone. For the manager to repeatedly say he's not in his plans and for it still to take a full month to move him on - it's embarrassing. The days of other club's chairmen being "#Levyed" are long gone, imo. Can't believe we're only just getting info that Janssen is moving on. How the fuck can he justify expecting to get any sort of return from a fat lump that hasn't played football in so long?

We can’t just give him away though.£10m is not a huge amount for a player who just a couple of seasons ago Holland’s most promising striker.

This place is mad. You expect us to pay over the odds for average players and give away players we don’t need anymore at a big loss. I’m pretty sure there aren’t many millionaires that post on here if that’s the general vibe

 

[leemason2302]

So ITK does seem to heavily suggest nothing will happen re: incomings

Spoiler: Inane ramblings

It's such a tricky one. On the one hand I trust Poch and I'm happy he has the power he has now. I'd much rather him turning players down than Levy simply refusing to provide anything. The latest presser was pretty encouraging in respect of his commitment to the club past the summer, which has been my main concern over lack of transfer activity.

Assuming our injuries don't stack up again, we should have enough to achieve top 4, so if we are unsure there is merit to keeping our powder dry.

Not signing anyone at all for 2 windows just doesn't feel right however. Surely it would benefit players and fans for there to be a bit of a refresh going on. Part of me thinks Poch is doubling down on his philosophy too much. I refuse to believe there aren't talented players out there that Poch could work with. Tielemans seems a prime example.

Stadium and potential sale does make the cynic in me wonder if we are being played somewhat. But at the same time I do believe Levy wants the best for the club.

We also could be in a situation come the summer where we have to replace Eriksen, Toby, Llorente and Vorm, before even looking at CM and full back areas. Surely it makes sense to try and do some of our business now to lessen the load in the summer. I'm not confident of us signing a single player these days, let alone 5-6!

All I know is that if we lose tonight the board, rightly or wrongly, are going to get some serious heat from a big chunk of the fanbase come Friday when we've signed no one.

Hand on heart i honestly think they wouldn't give a single... We're customers it's as simple as that.

 

[Spurrific]

We can’t just give him away though.£10m is not a huge amount for a player who just a couple of seasons ago Holland’s most promising striker.

This place mad. You expect us to pay over the odds for average players and give away players we don’t need anymore at a big loss. I’m pretty sure there aren’t many millionaires that post on here if that’s the general vibe

Nothing at all like what I said. The quip about there not being many millionaires isn't worth responding to.

I'm not saying to give him away - I'm saying we have been lumbered with him because he has an unrealistic price tag on his head - the fact he is still here right at the death of the window supports that, as do all reports about his long-term pending departure. Also, find one example of anybody suggesting we pay over the odds for average players.

 

[longtimespur]

Nothing at all like what I said - your inference is dumb. The quip about there not being many millionaires is risible and not worth responding to.

I'm not saying to give him away - I'm saying we have been lumbered with him because he has an unrealistic price tag on his head - the fact he is still here right at the death of the window supports that, as do all reports about his long-term pending departure. Also, find one example of anybody suggesting we pay over the odds for average players. You're pandering to the happy-clapping mob, hungry for likes - but you've said absolutely nothing true in your post.

Ahem........so why do it? Especially in the ITK thread

 

[jt hotspur]

So ITK does seem to heavily suggest nothing will happen re: incomings

Spoiler: Inane ramblings

It's such a tricky one. On the one hand I trust Poch and I'm happy he has the power he has now. I'd much rather him turning players down than Levy simply refusing to provide anything. The latest presser was pretty encouraging in respect of his commitment to the club past the summer, which has been my main concern over lack of transfer activity.

Assuming our injuries don't stack up again, we should have enough to achieve top 4, so if we are unsure there is merit to keeping our powder dry.

Not signing anyone at all for 2 windows just doesn't feel right however. Surely it would benefit players and fans for there to be a bit of a refresh going on. Part of me thinks Poch is doubling down on his philosophy too much. I refuse to believe there aren't talented players out there that Poch could work with. Tielemans seems a prime example.

Stadium and potential sale does make the cynic in me wonder if we are being played somewhat. But at the same time I do believe Levy wants the best for the club.

We also could be in a situation come the summer where we have to replace Eriksen, Toby, Llorente and Vorm, before even looking at CM and full back areas. Surely it makes sense to try and do some of our business now to lessen the load in the summer. I'm not confident of us signing a single player these days, let alone 5-6!

All I know is that if we lose tonight the board, rightly or wrongly, are going to get some serious heat from a big chunk of the fanbase come Friday when we've signed no one.

Are you sure about that

 

[Japhet]

He turned down a loan to Brighton. The latest is that Levy is expecting upwards of £10m for Janssen. It’s unrealistic and the brinksmanship has had us saddled with Vinnie for far longer than we should’ve been.

Got a couple u23 goals though - so all praise to dear leader I guess.

Is there any evidence at all that anybody has had the slightest interest in Janssen other than the Brighton loan? I don't see where 'brinkmanship' fits into the argument if there are no interested parties. The 10m Levy is apparently asking for doesn't seem unreasonable for Janssen IMO.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Fucking Levy. What an arsehole.

Finally a post from you that I can agree with ?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Nothing at all like what I said. The quip about there not being many millionaires isn't worth responding to.

I'm not saying to give him away - I'm saying we have been lumbered with him because he has an unrealistic price tag on his head - the fact he is still here right at the death of the window supports that, as do all reports about his long-term pending departure. Also, find one example of anybody suggesting we pay over the odds for average players.

So you think £10m is unrealistic for a player we signed for £17m? That’s almost a 50% loss...

The question about paying over the odds for average players. Just look in the Grealish thread from the summer.

 

[Spurrific]

So you think £10m is unrealistic for a player we signed for £17m? That’s almost a 50% loss...

The question about paying over the odds for average players. Just look in the Grealish thread from the summer.

And his price decreases every time Poch openly says “he’s not part of my plans” - why would anybody pay a premium for a player everybody knows we don’t want?

Anyway, this is veering off track. COYS COYDL

 

[SpartanSpur]

Hand on heart i honestly think they wouldn't give a single... We're customers it's as simple as that.

Probably right, it'd hurt the manager and players more than the board. Being futile won't stop people though.

 

[Stamford]

I for one look forward to the excuse for our lack of signings when Janssen, George etc have ben sold.

 

[absolute bobbins]

And his price decreases every time Poch openly says “he’s not part of my plans” - why would anybody pay a premium for a player everybody knows we don’t want?

Anyway, this is veering off track. COYS COYDL

Ok, I'll bite.

If I'm being generous, a "premium" is anything over the price we paid for him. If I'm not, a premium is anything over the price we paid plus agents fees, signing on fee, salary, bonuses and employer national insurance contributions and any image rights fees (this one may be a bit of a stretch). We haven't even touched on inflation or exchange rates.

What you actually want us to do is to cut him loose and pay up his contract so you can then brow beat Levy when we don't sign a player or sign a player who fails to meet your expectations.

 

[hakano]

You don't but then that doesn't fit a narrative

Selling Dembele and not replacing him is weakening the squad.

 

[hakano]

To say that Dembele wasn't part of this seasons squad is absolute baloney.

But that doesn’t fit the narrative.

 

[jay2040]

He’s turned down transfers in the past.

It’s not obvious to me why anyone would put in a bid for Janssen. It’s not Levy’s fault Poch pushes for a player who turned out to be turd, got injured a lot and refused to move on when given the chance.

Fucking Levy. What an arsehole.

How do you know its Levy? And not Jansen declining offers that have been made ?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Have we had any new ITK that I may have missed or is it just the usual dick measuring on both sides of the transfer conundrum?

Fucking hell this shit is fucking tiresome, day in day out.

 

[Flashspur]

And his price decreases every time Poch openly says “he’s not part of my plans” - why would anybody pay a premium for a player everybody knows we don’t want?

Anyway, this is veering off track. COYS COYDL

Bitterness doesn’t sit well with you. Your usually such an ahem...upbeat individual

 

[1882andallthat]

Is there any evidence at all that anybody has had the slightest interest in Janssen other than the Brighton loan? I don't see where 'brinkmanship' fits into the argument if there are no interested parties. The 10m Levy is apparently asking for doesn't seem unreasonable for Janssen IMO.

If no one in the market place comes anywhere near offering £10m for him in this window and the next and the one after that and hasn't come up with offers near that ball park in previous windows when we've tried to sell him them £10m isn't a reasonable amount. A reasonable amount represents what some club is prepared to pay, that's my conclusion, the proof will be in the pudding, as I said earlier in this quote, if we haven't sold him by this time next year and we've only managed to loan him or have failed even with this objective then £10m was not reasonable or realistic in the first place. Apologies if its veered off track and hopefully some ITK comes in that gives us some late encouragement we could all do with some.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Selling Dembele and not replacing him is weakening the squad.

Deliberately being obtuse, classy.

You know I'm referring to GKN and VJ but lets face it, as great as Mousa is his body can't be relied upon and the ITK from several sources say that we worked with him to get him that swansong payday that nobody else would offer him.

And if what Trix says is true and Poch has final say on transfers but is saying no to the players we can get, what is the club supposed to do?

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Apparently Jansen wants a permanent move. Who will buy him when he has hardly played in 18 months. Might have to be a loan with an agreement to buy in the summer if targets are met.