The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE LAST DAY! 1st September 2014

[whitelanefever]

That's a matter of perspective. If he made the difference between several PL places (and therefore increased prize money) would you still say that?

Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. Something Enic have always been reluctant to do.

The only thing I'd say with regards to that is, there is a good chance its fiddled in some way. Levy won't want to pay tax on profits.

So you think Levy would actively participate in fraud.. he's not that stupid & it's foul-play to slander him like that

 

[noiseboy55]

We sold Sandro. WE SOLD SANDRO. FOR SIX FUCKING MILLION!!!!! TO QP FUCKING ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

boo hoo.

 

[Stoof]

Who said that speculating to accumulate means throwing all your money away in the short term? I tire of the lazy argument that if we occasionally spend a little on players that means we're Leeds.

27 million pounds man! A little?!

 

[cookiemonster]

None of the top 5 clubs need a player like him right now? Not as first choice anyway.

Things change....Arsenal do not need Welbeck too until Giroud's injury

 

[Drexl]

While I appreciate the ITK from Trix, Ali Z etc their sources being from the club means it would have Donna Cullen's spin on it, i doubt anyone even senior can even take a shit without Donna approving it first so all this 'Poch is happy' 'Poch agrees with everything Levy does' just sounds like it is from the Donna Cullen handbook of disaster management, I would imagine Poch is fuming and banging his head against the desk

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

What are you talking about. We are the 6th richest club in the league. The 3rd highest ticket prices. And we've spent the least in the league for 5 years. Now 6. Don't make an extreme, sweeping example of me to defend the indefensible. Its embarrassing.

Mate he's embarrassing because he's happy to plod along in 6th and get our pants pulled down everytime we play a proper side. I heard the same shit last year and again in jan. We have stood still and the the others have fucked off and left us. Sad but true.

 

[prawnsandwich]

Trix's ITK has pretty much summed up my theory as to why we had a quiet day today. Didn't want to buy for the sake of buying. My only concern is how available these players will be in Jan or even next summer. I worry that J Rod and Schneiderlin, the 2 he desperately wants, may end up going to bigger clubs if they continue having successful careers at Southampton.

If they want to go elsewhere-so be it. IMO MS fancies a Modric style time at Spurs with a manager he respects and J-Ro fancies he can make a few quid and why not here with a manager that improved him and could improve him more.
I am hoping they do well but Soton don't.

 

[mpickard2087]

While I appreciate the ITK from Trix, Ali Z etc their sources being from the club means it would have Donna Cullen's spin on it, i doubt anyone even senior can even take a shit without Donna approving it first so all this 'Poch is happy' 'Poch agrees with everything Levy does' just sounds like it is from the Donna Cullen handbook of disaster management, I would imagine Poch is fuming and banging his head against the desk

Right, ok.

 

[dagraham]

Just as a going concern we made £1.5m - http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26847888.app

Is a purchase at almost thirty times that realistic?

I think if we wrote it as 27,000,000 then people might just realise how much money that actually is.

A million here or a million there - well actually that's the difference between us turning a profit or making a loss.

So no, I'm not an accountant, nor am I the club's accountant but I deal with multi-million pound deals and I know how much businesses fight over the pennies.

According to all media sources and ITK though, we were happy to commit around £35m on bids for MS and MM.

So the money was there and we ended up buying Fazio for basically half what we were prepared to pay for MM. Yet after that we weren't prepared to redirect any funds towards the MS transfer.

I'm not sure that has anything to do with finances and more to do with a stubborn refusal to pay above what we perceive market value. Which is something that I think you occasionally have to do, if you need that asset badly enough.

 

[Spurs 1961]

I work in Kensington think I will have to go watch QPR to see Sandro and the rest of our old boys this season

 

[DaSpurs]

That's a matter of perspective. If he made the difference between several PL places (and therefore increased prize money) would you still say that?

Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. Something Enic have always been reluctant to do.

You mean an extremely successful investment firm needs to be lectured on the notion of "speculate to accumulate?"

Why do people arrive at such astronomical theories? You don't think they arrived at the conclusion that the 20m difference between this option, and the one we arrived at, wasn't worth that potential gain?

 

[faulks]

So you think Levy would actively participate in fraud.. he's not that stupid & it's foul-play to slander him like that

I'm not calling outright fraud. But you'd be naive to think massive companies don't have very well paid accountants looking at their stuff? It's well documented that multinationals such as Apple, Starbucks, Amazon are all involved in some kind of creative accounting.

Hell, most players aren't paid by PAYE. When Portsmouth went into administration half the players wages were being paid into their own companies.

We had ITK this window that Levy rarely pays tax on transfers.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Honestly just thinking about it but from our first 11 how many would get in any of the top 4s side right now ? It's a question not a statement before you all lose your heads!

 

[HotSprut]

Ask yourself: would we Get top 4 this season if we signer those players?

Nothing is certain, but if you don't set your sights high you're never going to compete for a top spot..

But I do of course respect others opinions about our squad. Maybe we're are as good without Poch's first choise players (or so I hope)

 

[MyNameIsNicolaBerti]

27 million pounds man! A little?!

Since when was that a huge amount of money in football? We always break even or profit and we rake in copious amounts on ticket sales, merchandise and TV money in the process. I'm not saying with throw money around irresponsibly. What I am saying is that if there is a key signing beyond others that the manager wants then that should be the player that we make an exception to the rule for. You seem to see it in black and white. Either be frugal on every purchase and only buy once we've sold, or pay over the odds for every signing, neither of which I am advocating.

 

[Darrkespur]

I think Poch only wants a WF or CM if it dramatically improves our first eleven. The players we have, whilst frustrating at times, would walk into most sides in the division. There's no point us buying a new left winger if he's only as good as lennon/townsend, the same with a CM - plenty of times this window we've heard that Poch wants Schneiderlein as he thinks he would make a difference and elevate our first team, but if we couldn't get him, he was happy with what we've got. Similarly, he wants Jay Rodriguez, who I think we will get in January or the summer. That means buying another WF is pointless. Wellbeck on loan, sure, but we wouldn't buy Rodriguez if we also got Wellbeck in on a permanent deal.

It's frustrating we haven't done more business (although I think Fazio/Davies/Stambouli are upgrades on Dawson/Fryers/injuredSandro), but I'd rather we wait and get the players Poch thinks will really improve us than gamble on players that are no better than what we have.

 

[SpursLarsson]

Take it easy! I´m disappointed how the transfer window ended but let´s not forget that we have a really good squad in our hands. Fazio, Stambouli and davies are yet to start in the prem. Walker and soldado are coming back from injury.

Let´s give poch some time to work his magic before we slaughter every single thing about our club.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Do you think levy knows the majority of us are pissed off ? I know he probably doesn't give a fuck but I wonder if he actually senses we know we are being short changed ?

 

[JJetset]

Sandro's previous injury is why we 'sold' him.
He can and probably will be a big player for QPR but due to the nature of his injury and referred pain and linked issues to that he will also have a lot of time away.
Not ideal to let go of him but take into consideration his contract running down and later sell on value if he has another stop start season, his injuries and also what we have in the same role its a sensible yet not emotional decision.

 

[MyNameIsNicolaBerti]

You mean an extremely successful investment firm needs to be lectured on the notion of "speculate to accumulate?"

Why do people arrive at such astronomical theories? You don't think they arrived at the conclusion that the 20m difference between this option, and the one we arrived at, wasn't worth that potential gain?

Well, that all depends on whether this Stromboli guy is anywhere close to the same level.

 

[Stoof]

That fails to consider this summer's income from sales and the vast increase in TV money. £27m was too much for MS, but a deal involving Townsend may have made that more reasonable.

But it doesn't include the fact we've sacked our architects and taken a massive hit on fees etc. plus costs for the CPO compensation.

You can't cherry pick lines of income and expenditure.

I don't know he full picture, you don't either. But what it comes down to is, I trust that Levy knows better than you or I how much money can be spent.

And as you say 27m was too much. Irrespective of Townsend.