The importance of the Dier - Dembele duo

[dannythomas]

These are the matches we have lost this season

Man U - Dier and Dembele played but in a different formation with Dier and Bentaleb at DM and Dembele advanced.

Newcastle - no Dembele

Leicester - Dembele on the bench

West Ham - No Dembele

Southampton -No Dembele

Not sure whether this shows the huge impact that Dembele has on our team or if it shows the importance of Dier and Dembele playing together. I don't think Dembele has played in enough games without Dier to be sure. Any views on this ?

 

[Nigel Spinal]

Mason and Bentaleb aren't far off. They've just had major injury impediments pretty much all year. I think they'll both make strong challenges for their places back next season.

 

[MaccSpurs]

Yeah, I have a view, don't try and couge another players eye when you are gonna get caught on camera.

 

[mpickard2087]

I think where Dembele is missed is that, even if he is often too slow with his play, he can retain and move the ball under pressure and allow us to build a foundation on which to attack. In contrast Mason is playing without any confidence and looks like someone who hasn't played much football this year and possibly still with a nagging injury - he's playing very safe and dropping very deep to receive the ball in safe areas. Dier does exactly the same. This thens drags the likes of Eriksen deeper, and the others (Son, Alli, Lamela) follow.

 

[knowlespurs]

think the figures are something like when mason or carroll have started league games we have won something like 2 out of 10

 

[Japhet]

I think where Dembele is missed is that, even if he is often too slow with his play, he can retain and move the ball under pressure and allow us to build a foundation on which to attack. In contrast Mason is playing without any confidence and looks like someone who hasn't played much football this year and possibly still with a nagging injury - he's playing very safe and dropping very deep to receive the ball in safe areas. Dier does exactly the same. This thens drags the likes of Eriksen deeper, and the others (Son, Alli, Lamela) follow.

What he does is he brings the ball forwards from where he receives it a lot of the time and forces the opposition to make choices. He moves the foundation for the attack further up the pitch. Our other options pass the ball about, but like the AVB team that just offers the opponents some time to organise their defence.

 

[lol]

gotta include alli so we can call them

D.A.D

destroy our opponents and make them call us daddy

 

[Nigel Spinal]

I think where Dembele is missed is that, even if he is often too slow with his play, he can retain and move the ball under pressure and allow us to build a foundation on which to attack. In contrast Mason is playing without any confidence and looks like someone who hasn't played much football this year and possibly still with a nagging injury - he's playing very safe and dropping very deep to receive the ball in safe areas. Dier does exactly the same. This thens drags the likes of Eriksen deeper, and the others (Son, Alli, Lamela) follow.

It's much more than that.

He's needed an ankle operation since Christmas, but agreed to delay it to help out with the run-in. He's playing through a lot of pain.

 

[SandroClegane]

It's much more than that.

He's needed an ankle operation since Christmas, but agreed to delay it to help out with the run-in. He's playing through a lot of pain.

His recovery was pretty long, it would surprise me that they wouldn't do the surgery right away and just let him heal. Do you have a source on that?

 

[Hazelton]

Along with Toby and Jan, they're probably the most important duo in the team (in terms of lining up next to eachother). That said, they can't play every game next season and Mason, Bentaleb etc just aren't good enough to start in the Champions League, so we need to sign a similar player in the summer.

 

[Nigel Spinal]

His recovery was pretty long, it would surprise me that they wouldn't do the surgery right away and just let him heal. Do you have a source on that?

Wait and see. The club will announce that he's had the operation next week.

With Bentaleb already out, we only had 3 senior CMs for the run-in, so Mason agreed to help us with that and miss the Euros instead.

 

[Mattspur]

gotta include alli so we can call them

D.A.D

destroy our opponents and make them call us daddy

This is the reason we need to sign Ousmane Dembele and Yarmolenko.

 

[JonnySpurs]

In the 6 games that Dembele has missed this season we have lost 5 and drawn 1.

Simple enough really. Massively important and it's therefore crucial that we find someone that can help us to a similar level, or at least close, when he's not available. That starts with the first 4 games of next season assuming the FA ignore any appeal we make regarding his ban.

 

[SFCS]

I think where Dembele is missed is that, even if he is often too slow with his play, he can retain and move the ball under pressure and allow us to build a foundation on which to attack. In contrast Mason is playing without any confidence and looks like someone who hasn't played much football this year and possibly still with a nagging injury - he's playing very safe and dropping very deep to receive the ball in safe areas. Dier does exactly the same. This thens drags the likes of Eriksen deeper, and the others (Son, Alli, Lamela) follow.

I think with Dembele it also helps that he attracts players to him on the ball yet hardly ever loses it. One of the problems we have in most games is getting opposition sides to lose their disciplined shape and that's made more difficult when players aren't rushing towards Dembele and bouncing off him.

What Mason brought to our game last season was quick passes forward, which is another way to unsettle the opposition. I didn't think he was too bad yesterday and played a number of good passes but with Mason in place of Dembele we lose a bit of defensive solidity. Mason's more likely to push forward and get caught out of position which I think helped make it easier for Southampton to counter(several players looking knackered second half also helped).

We definitely need a Dier backup, especially since it would allow Dier to drop into defence more often. I'm not sure how we'd go about getting a backup for Dembele though. There aren't many players like him, that I've seen, and those that there are would be expensive and wouldn't want to be a backup player. I'd also like to see Winks get a go next season, the guy looks very talented.

 

[DJS]

Wait and see. The club will announce that he's had the operation next week.

With Bentaleb already out, we only had 3 senior CMs for the run-in, so Mason agreed to help us with that and miss the Euros instead.

Top man Mason is this is true, putting Spurs before his England dreams.

Mason is a top player IMO, earlier in season he ran game against Stoke and it was only when he went off we caved.

Don't get me started on Bentaleb on the other hand, not impressed me at all this season...

 

[kaz Hirai]

If we rely so heavily on Dembele then that's a big problem and needs sorting as soon as the transfer window opens

Anyway I'd like to see onomah given a go there next weekend

 

[Cravenspurs]

I think where Dembele is missed is that, even if he is often too slow with his play, he can retain and move the ball under pressure and allow us to build a foundation on which to attack. In contrast Mason is playing without any confidence and looks like someone who hasn't played much football this year and possibly still with a nagging injury - he's playing very safe and dropping very deep to receive the ball in safe areas. Dier does exactly the same. This thens drags the likes of Eriksen deeper, and the others (Son, Alli, Lamela) follow.

Agree with this 100%. Dembele doesn't allow people to press the whole game because he can turn and break away. Mason was harassed all game because he isn't a dynamic dribbler that can get away.

The bloke from Porto and now at Stoke I someone I would like to look at but not possible. That imbula guy. He can turn and run like Dembele can

 

[voxy28]

Tottenham's Mousa Dembele is Europe's best box-to-box midfielder, according to the CIES Football Observatory's latest study.


I have no doubt about it, best player this season for me. He play we win!

 

[eViL]

Mason doesn't take up good enough positioning off the ball while the rest of the team are in posession for me.

He also needs to stride forward with the ball rather than JUST look for pointless passes.

He should be playing in the front 3 midfielders if he's going to play; he can't cut it as a defensive midfielder.

Definitely missed Mousa yesterday, still leaving me to think we're still one short in that position.