The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Ronwol196061]

I’m not sure Moura was a Poch signing - clearly a bargain here you go offering from Levy

But the fact that you can only name 2 signings is the point - not really the sort of backing others have had

He got backed this summer but clearly we haven’t seen the benefits of that as yet due to injuries / fitness

And it shows you can build a squad in bursts that successfully vs consistent and constant evolution which is not what has happened at Spurs

Only pointed two out and it wasn't about the signings themselves. First if Poch bought Sanchez why has he deteriorated so much since he came.Thats 42 mil. Is he managing Lucan Moura well do you think? Did he sell Trippier? and how is he with KWP? Really I think its all trial and error with Poch and its heavy on the error. he is no genius.He has a plan. He takes no responsibility for anything.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Only pointed two out and it wasn't about the signings themselves. First if Poch bought Sanchez why has he deteriorated so much since he came.Thats 42 mil. Is he managing Lucan Moura well do you think? Did he sell Trippier? and how is he with KWP? Really I think its all trial and error with Poch and its heavy on the error. he is no genius.He has a plan. He takes no responsibility for anything.

I'd like to understand what you mean when you say "he takes no responsibility for anything."

What would you like him to do to show he's taking responsibility?

 

[Ronwol196061]

I'd like to understand what you mean when you say "he takes no responsibility for anything."

What would you like him to do to show he's taking responsibility?

Stop blaming Lloris injury on the players problems. Take responsibility for getting a bunch of things wrong like leaving Winks on his own against Bayern which was a disaster and not solving the right back problem. Not being able to create fluidity and then against Bayern throwing it all forward in the first half an hour without considering the consequences.
Not putting his foot down by putting his job on the line with Levy demanding what he needed to be successful. Talking us up and talking us down in reaction to the situations. Changing what he says on a week to week basis.
Our lack of creativity in this team has been ridiculous. Undersanding his limitations and adapting.

 

[spursfan77]

I find it telling that there have been no players coming out in support of the manager for what seems like a long time.

I believe there are many factors which contributed to the mess we are now in, and one of those is the players have had so many near misses under Poch, that they have completely lost faith in the project and his methods. I also believe he lost the dressing room when he wavered in showing his complete commitment to the club when United were linked and his strange public mutterings.

I don't know about the players, but Poch pretty much lost me when he failed to shut down the United rumours over the New Year. Sure, we were already regressing as a team so my faith in him was wavering, but I'm not surprised if that is when he lost the dressing room.

He's also probably had too many falling outs with players.

The guy got far too big for his boots and I believe let the hype go to his head. I may be way off, but for a guy that has won nothing whatsoever, he sure liked to flirt with other clubs and I felt he showed the fans and club a huge lack of respect. He was always talking in riddles, and you can't really blame it on his english.

He's been here for 5 years and we've gone well passed our peak. Time to get a proven winner, an elite manager in charge who can get this team winning trophies. Someone who can tactically win games against our rivals, and not just rely on motivation.

The thing I am slightly concerned with and hasn’t really been mentioned in all these Poch threads is since he’s been here a lot of players have said their futures are linked to his. That worries me. If he goes, what happens to Harry, does he think, that’s it, I want out too. What about others who have said similar?

Or are those soundbites all nonsense? Will the players just get on with it if they are picked and played like all footballers do?

 

[yankspurs]

I feel we are stale, have no leadership and in a state where we have no clear direction on or off the pitch. Its been obvious for weeks where issues lie but Poch refuses to drop them. Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Rose, Wanyama, Serge should all be nowhere near the dressing room. Should all be made an example of. Poch of a few years ago would have done this immediately. If Poch wont get rid of these problems, then he has no one to blame but himself. This should have been done last international break.

At the same time, he can feel hard done by Levy not getting rid of some of these players who have been here 2 years past their welcome.

I dont know the answer. But what i do know is that everyone shares blame and this shit has to stop.

 

[spursfan77]

Honestly the race between Poch & Ole to get sacked is just as exciting as the title race

If both are sacked then Poch will be the Man Utd boss the following day. That does worry me. I’d almost prefer to keep him until Madrid sack Zidane then lose him to them.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Stop blaming Lloris injury on the players problems. Take responsibility for getting a bunch of things wrong like leaving Winks on his own against Bayern which was a disaster and not solving the right back problem. Not being able to create fluidity and then against Bayern throwing it all forward in the first half an hour without considering the consequences.
Not putting his foot down by putting his job on the line with Levy demanding what he needed to be successful. Talking us up and talking us down in reaction to the situations. Changing what he says on a week to week basis.

Thanks.

Now I understand.

I don't agree with you, but I understand what you mean.

 

[DJS]

I remember the good old days when everyone was re-signing for the club and Poch was pictured smiling with his arm around them (the Poch pose as we called it lol).

Since then that stupid book didn’t help (they never do) and the recruitment has been very very poor. Not sure if down to scouting or Poch is very weak in this department, the recruitment this summer was good but you can see it was a little late, especially as two haven’t been available leaving same

Dembele should have been replaced sooner, a better right back bought in to replace Walker (Pereira??), a forward should have been bought in (and
I would have taken Josh King as at least would have given us a body that can perform well in our league but people got snooty around him).

We’ve had players like Dier deteriorating and not improved upon (and Wanyama just completely breaking) so defensive midfield, one of the most important and underrated positions, has been badly neglected.

Surely it must have been noticed Eriksen’s head has gone in summer so we should have got Fernandes in rather than fucking about last minute (as per usual) trying to get Dybala.

Tony situation is a joke and he should have stayed frozen out if wasn’t going sign or leave - season before last Sanchez was a regular and doing well but his confidence has been pretty shot now.

We used to laugh at arsenal for their contract management.

I think we need a proper director of football as Poch doesn’t seem to be able to hack recruitment side.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Thanks.

Now I understand.

I don't agree with you, but I understand what you mean.

So let me try to understand you. Can you articulate what you disagree with?

 

[richard_gleeson]

I don't think Levy will sack Poch because he's worth too much. If United lose today I could see them trying for Poch over the next 2 weeks. But equally they could now be hoping for us to sack him first.

 

[wiggo24]

Over the past 5 years, we've had some special, special moments. That Moura goal, the final game at the Lane, that unbeaten season - all of the emotions we felt as fans in these moments are intimately connected to Pochettino. It's no wonder that people are emotional about the prospect of him leaving. If he leaves, we lose a man with whom many of us have shared some of our greatest memories.

Sadly, though, you CANNOT run a successful football club with emotion, only by logic. By this measure, we've won 4 in our last 22 games, and the last two weeks has been utterly unacceptable. As a result, I'm devastated but I think it's time for him to go (at least before Xmas).

I love Pochettino, but his time is up and the team has lost its momentum. If we continue down our current path, he'll become increasingly vilified and the memories of the last 5 years will slowly fade, replaced instead by anger and resentment - look at Wenger. He'll probably go somewhere else and be hugely successful and that'll be incredibly tough to watch, but I hope we all honestly wish him all the best.

There's a balance here. I still love Pochettino, and respect him as a manager, but in my opinion it's now time for a change.

 

[glacierSpurs]

If both are sacked then Poch will be the Man Utd boss the following day. That does worry me. I’d almost prefer to keep him until Madrid sack Aidan’s then lose him to them.

If he's gonna replace Ole and we have Mourinho/Allegri lineup, I will drive him to Manchester ASAP and get his belongings packed and express delivered to him same day.

 

[sausage]

We want to be a major club in European football, now we need to act like one.

Basically, this. Poch wrote his own epitaph.

 

[spursfan77]

Over the past 5 years, we've had some special, special moments. That Moura goal, the final game at the Lane, that unbeaten season - all of the emotions we felt as fans in these moments are intimately connected to Pochettino. It's no wonder that people are emotional about the prospect of him leaving. If he leaves, we lose a man with whom many of us have shared some of our greatest memories.

Sadly, though, you CANNOT run a successful football club with emotion, only by logic. By this measure, we've won 4 in our last 22 games, and the last two weeks has been utterly unacceptable. As a result, I'm devastated but I think it's time for him to go (at least before Xmas).

I love Pochettino, but his time is up and the team has lost its momentum. If we continue down our current path, he'll become increasingly vilified and the memories of the last 5 years will slowly fade, replaced instead by anger and resentment - look at Wenger. He'll probably go somewhere else and be hugely successful and that'll be incredibly tough to watch, but I hope we all honestly wish him all the best.

There's a balance here. I still love Pochettino, and respect him as a manager, but in my opinion it's now time for a change.

We know which one levy will go with. But, you can see the relationship between the two men is a good one and they get along. I’m not saying they are mates but unless there’s been a falling out it’s going to be a tough decision for levy to make.

Probably the biggest managerial decision of his lifetime.

 

[yankspurs]

Basically, this. Poch wrote his own epitaph.

If he hasnt been sacked by now, i dont think he will be.

 

[SpartanSpur]

The thing I am slightly concerned with and hasn’t really been mentioned in all these Poch threads is since he’s been here a lot of players have said their futures are linked to his. That worries me. If he goes, what happens to Harry, does he think, that’s it, I want out too. What about others who have said similar?

Or are those soundbites all nonsense? Will the players just get on with it if they are picked and played like all footballers do?

There has been a suggestion that Kane is now one of the players not fully believing in Poch in both the media and ITK. Wouldn't surprise me to honest. I think the fact he still hasn't posted after the game is quite telling.

I remember hearing that stuff about Kane and Poch too but I think a lot has changed in recent months. Like you said it appears the dressing room has been completely lost.

 

[Blackrat1299]

I have a theory....Most players who are nearing the end of their contract either, allow themselves to be sold close to their last year, or sign a new contract with certain caveats in them so that the club can recoup some money, all based on the player having a good relationship with the manager/club. I believe that relations have broken down between some players and management/club, therefore their response is now playing out.....running down their contracts, no rewards for the club...............As stated my opinion, my theory.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Something is clearly wrong behind the scenes. We have a talented squad which is undoubtedly superior to 3 of the last 4 teams we have played (I won’t comment on Bayern), yet have crashed to all of them. If the players are of greater calibre than their opposition, but the results don’t come, where else does the blame lay, but with the man who coaches them and then selects/sets his team up based on what he sees on the training pitch.
A couple of years back the players looked like they’d run over hot coals for Poch, whereas now it looks like they wouldn’t cross the road for him.

I think Levy is playing Russian roulette with the Poch situation. I think he doesn’t believe Poch can turn it around, but won’t sack him due to his contractual value. I think in an ideal world for Levy, Poch will walk, or else a club such as Utd or Real will come calling, and either scenario Levy can rinse a hefty compensation package from Poch's next club, with which to go and recruit. If the club sack Poch, then they will have to pay him off, and then he’ll be free to go elsewhere. This is a case of who blinks first, Utd, Real or Spurs, but in no way do I see Poch here to oversee a turnaround. Sad, but that’s the mess we are in. Fresh start will be the best for all parties. Clean slate for Poch elsewhere, new ideas and new voice for the Spurs players to respond to.

 

[Ronwol196061]

There has been a suggestion that Kane is now one of the players not fully believing in Poch in both the media and ITK. Wouldn't surprise me to honest. I think the fact he still hasn't posted after the game is quite telling.

I remember hearing that stuff about Kane and Poch too but I think a lot has changed in recent months. Like you said it appears the dressing room has been completely lost.

I'm not surprised.He watches Mane,Sallah,Aguero etc get great service every week while he is held up with few passes coming through in space for him.He has to work for everything.
We did get Ndombele and he can hir those balls through to Kane but Poch had a hard time breaking down defences before (the counter for us did work when it worked as space opened up) and now anything forward seems to leave the defence open.
The tactics are not right and I'm not Poch can move to a more attack minded team and keep the defence relatively solid

 

[spursfan77]

There has been a suggestion that Kane is now one of the players not fully believing in Poch in both the media and ITK. Wouldn't surprise me to honest. I think the fact he still hasn't posted after the game is quite telling.

I remember hearing that stuff about Kane and Poch too but I think a lot has changed in recent months. Like you said it appears the dressing room has been completely lost.

I posted a theory last week actually about how they could of fallen out all centred around the CL final. Will look up the ITK.

In the post you quoted I said Kane but I really meant any of our top players. Actually I think it was Lloris who said his future is linked to Poch, not Kane.