The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Graysonti]

The man needs a break from football.

100% - break from football.

Good manager - absolutely. But totally wrecked.

Needs a year off.

 

[skaz04nik]

At Southampton he was merely a good defender with high potential

No, he was excellent already, they have had a record low # goals conceded thanks to his service. Yes he wasn't nominated for awards but you need to be internationally visible for that

We don't know either how far he could develop under another manager, do we?

All of those players "thrown out" were either loaned out multiple times as we had to do with our deadwood, left for free at the end of their contracts, or were sold because a club actually made a bid and the player actually agreed to go there

Eh? Majority of them we sold, and were sold to worse clubs than Liverpool (Palace, Saints, WBA, Stoke, Bournemouth etc). Why would a player want to go from Pool to shit like Palace if not forced by Klopp? He's clearly written them off

 

[Shadydan]

No, he was excellent already, they have had a record low # goals conceded thanks to his service. Yes he wasn't nominated for awards but you need to be internationally visible for that

We don't know either how far he could develop under another manager, do we?

Right but he wasn't world class and he wasn't playing at the level that he's playing at now, that's my point. We can debate the little nuances about how good he was back then all we like but we know that he is a better player than he was 2 years ago, correct?

Anyway this is digressing from my main point which once again was about our players under performing.

 

[StevePil]

JJ has been posting and he is far too positive about Poch - he is going no where!

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

JJ has been posting and he is far too positive about Poch - he is going no where!

Does he actually have any info on it because opinion wise his head is well and truly in the sand imo

 

[dondo]

I'm not missing the point, I've completely hit it.

We can speculate on who's at fault for different factors all day long, but he's responsible for coaching, motivating, preparing and picking the team that he has at disposal now.

It's not been good enough for far too long now, and this current group is capable of a lot more.

How can you prepare and motivate players to be better than they are or as good as they used to be?

 

[skaz04nik]

Anyway this is digressing from my main point which once again was about our players under performing.

Yeah, but do you think it's because Mauricio cannot improve the high potential players?

I think that's one of his clear strengths - if he gets the right material in. He's taken Walker, Kane, Son et al to another level in my opinion

 

[Lighty64]

It's not a world class squad, feel like everybody overestimates our team on here.

Our fullbacks options are poor, our only hope on that front is the 2/3 we haven't given enough of an opportunity to know what they're capable off in Foyth/Sessegnon and possible KWP.
Lloris has been steadily getting worse, he's not world class.
Our CB's have aggressively aged, Unless sacking Poch unlocks the curious case of benjamin button then I can't see how we improve that.
Our DM's are not even an iota of what they used to be.

We have some quality players in Ndombele, Lo Celso, Kane, Son and then a few the tier below in Dele, Lamela with some showing signs of potential in Sanchez but we do not have a world class squad by any stretch of the imagination.

Although we still should be doing better than what we are.

you missed out an important wording, we no longer have a spine - Toby - Wanyama/Dembele - Eriksen - Kane

 

[StevePil]

Does he actually have any info on it because opinion wise his head is well and truly in the sand imo

He is always spot on with any views IMO, he is the best we have and the comments he is making tell me Poch is going nowhere!
Lots of excuses and reasons why the manager is not the issue.... I genuinely think JJ is the mouth piece for levy at times which is great as it gets a message out but I truly see what he says as bang on, he isn't often wrong..

Look at Dybala even this summer, he called it when on and instantly off before anyone else...
Ndombele - spot on!
he knows his stuff

 

[Primativ]

Have to agree with shady here. VVD was a excellent defender at Southampton but he was relatively under the radar. Many many people on spurs forums said he was an a crap CB, I rated him really highly. Liverpool came in for him eventually and the rest is history but what other clubs were in for VVD at the time? Nobody was really fussed about him.

Klopp has many average players and some very talented players playing at their maximum. No way Fabinho and Winaldum and Henderson are as good as they are now under a different manager at a different club. It’s all down to Klopp. Conversely we have many talented players and some average players playing like absolute Rubbish, because of Poch.

and to anyone blaming ENIC. Honestly, they aren’t responsible for the mess we see in 2019 on the pitch. Levy doesn’t set the tactics or coach the players. He delivered Poch two major targets this summer and Sess who clubs like Man United wanted. We may need some work in certain areas like fullback and DM but you can’t tell me this team is only good enough for 13th. We should be walking top 4 this season.

I hope Poch is sacked tomorrow morning. It may happen. The plan JJ is talking about selling wantaways in January and signing loads of new players is absolutely ridiculous. Who on earth thinks up such rubbish? We can’t trade half the squad in one window and on what basis does Poch deserve such backing when he’s led us into such a mess in 2019? It seems some people actually have blind faith in Poch. Blind faith in a manager who has never won a single trophy in his life and led us to the most defeats of any team in the league in 2019. A manager who has lost the entire squad. Mental.

 

[Primativ]

JJ has been posting and he is far too positive about Poch - he is going no where!

he’s deluded mate. There is no other way he can be so positive about a manager who has led us into such disarray. We are a mess. I think JJ is just a huge Poch fan and can see no wrong in him.

 

[Lighty64]

Injuries aside, why is it that other clubs buy players and use them immediately? Why is it that other clubs’ players can play with a level of intensity and pace that we can only dream of, and yet we’re supposed to believe our manager demands too much? I see nothing at Spurs other than a demoralised group playing without any sense of direction. Forget ENIC, this is all about Poch.

because when Moura joined us all those years ago he had only played 72 minutes of competitive football in 5 months, and wasn't match fit.

Ndombele started the season

Lo Celso had a 3 week break after playing in the Copa de America, and while being slowly introduced picked up an injury on International duty

Sessegnon was injured in the U23 comp in the summer with a bad hamstring injury, so isn't fit enough for a full match yet

 

[cjbyid]

JJ has been posting and he is far too positive about Poch - he is going no where!

Well if that's the case, we're fucked.

 

[Shadydan]

Yeah, but do you think it's because Mauricio cannot improve the high potential players?

I think that's one of his clear strengths - if he gets the right material in. He's taken Walker, Kane, Son et al to another level in my opinion

Well he's not at the moment, our players seem to be going backwards which means they're not listening to him and haven't got the desire/hunger they once had.

 

[Primativ]

He is always spot on with any views IMO, he is the best we have and the comments he is making tell me Poch is going nowhere!
Lots of excuses and reasons why the manager is not the issue.... I genuinely think JJ is the mouth piece for levy at times which is great as it gets a message out but I truly see what he says as bang on, he isn't often wrong..

Look at Dybala even this summer, he called it when on and instantly off before anyone else...
Ndombele - spot on!
he knows his stuff

He’s just another man with an opinion and I’m sure if Levy is thinking about pulling the trigger JJ wouldn’t be the one who finds out about it. Let’s be honest JJ is a huge Poch fan and he’s just making excuses for him.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

We're going to lose assets in the summer? Which ones would they be exactly? The ones that are currently under performing because they either a) don't want to be here, b) don't buy into the managers tactics or c) an as of yet undetermined reason that is yet to be presented to the poor ****s that pay to watch them turn in shite performances for the best part of a fucking year?

Reckon everyone who takes sides when all this shit starts to hit the fan is backing themselves into a corner. Blame lays at the feet of all involved at the club.

Owners won't sell up.

Manager whored himself and now by the sounds of it regrets continuing on in a job and a mess partly of his own creating.

As ever those who suffer care the most, yet then want to start to shit sling because of their chosen side in something that those that have all the power give little to no fucks about.

Only fucking Tottenham Hotspur Football Club could go fucking tits up after supposedly arriving in the big time on and off the pitch.

I fucking hate this term but this last year has to be THE most Spusy fucking time ever in this clubs history.

If the satire writers have run out of things to do with politics, I suggest they take a trip to Spurs, there is a whole fucking host of characters they could flip and make money out of, the Amazon docu is going to be fucking priceless ...

 

[Graysonti]

Have to agree with shady here. VVD was a excellent defender at Southampton but he was relatively under the radar. Many many people on spurs forums said he was an a crap CB, I rated him really highly. Liverpool came in for him eventually and the rest is history but what other clubs were in for VVD at the time? Nobody was really fussed about him.

Klopp has many average players and some very talented players playing at their maximum. No way Fabinho and Winaldum and Henderson are as good as they are now under a different manager at a different club. It’s all down to Klopp. Conversely we have many talented players and some average players playing like absolute Rubbish, because of Poch.

and to anyone blaming ENIC. Honestly, they aren’t responsible for the mess we see in 2019 on the pitch. Levy doesn’t set the tactics or coach the players. He delivered Poch two major targets this summer and Sess who clubs like Man United wanted. We may need some work in certain areas like fullback and DM but you can’t tell me this team is only good enough for 13th. We should be walking top 4 this season.

I hope Poch is sacked tomorrow morning. It may happen. The plan JJ is talking about selling wantaways in January and signing loads of new players is absolutely ridiculous. Who on earth thinks up such rubbish? We can’t trade half the squad in one window and on what basis does Poch deserve such backing when he’s led us into such a mess in 2019? It seems some people actually have blind faith in Poch. Blind faith in a manager who has never won a single trophy in his life and led us to the most defeats of any team in the league in 2019. A manager who has lost the entire squad. Mental.

Totally agree - Levy is paying a man £8.5m a year to transition a team. He can’t do any more than pay a man more than Man U, Chelsea, Pool and Arse are paying their manager.

The bloke earns that and then moans - he wants to try working 40/50 hours a week for £25k a year.

 

[Mr Pink]

How can you prepare and motivate players to be better than they are or as good as they used to be?

Look we can go round in circles all day.

What I'm saying is, he isn't getting the most out of this group of players.

And its complete bollox to suggest that suddendly all these players arn't as good as they used to be.

Maybe a couple at most, but that still doesn't come close to explaining the huge drop off in collective performances over the last nine months.

 

[StevePil]

he’s deluded mate. There is no way he can be so positive about a manager who has led us into such disarray. We are a mess. I think JJ is just a huge Poch fan and can see no wrong in him.

I genuinely wished you were right but the fact press is silent, odds on him leaving 12/1, JJ positive - it all suggests he is going nowhere... im not a fan who thinks he will turn it round and we know this ends at some point, for me it should be tomorrow but I expect Poch to be in the dug out at west ham in 2 weeks, hope im wrong but I bet im not.

 

[rossdapep]

Well if the stadium atmosphere turns then Levy will have no choice. Because he really will start to think from a business perspective.

We lose to WH and have a crap performance in the next home game then I'm sure we'll hear sections boo.