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theShiznit

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His 26th Anniversary with his wife today and he wins 2-6.

He's staying.

Meant to be here.
He said he believes in the universe and that score was "a gift" and if ever there was a sign from the universe to stay where your heart is it's getting a 2-6 win on your 26th wedding anniversary (although i think the wife may have been hoping for a better gift ;) )
 

vegassd

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Yeah sure but why’s the positive interpretation right? You talk like anyone who takes an alternative view is somehow wrong, Like a politician, keeping your answers vague is a tactic so you can never be nailed down.

He wasn’t happy we didn’t buy anyone. He’s made the most of it but he wasn’t happy and he made that clear. If things hadn’t gone so well it could be very different. But now they’ve gone ok, he’s rewriting history and effectively saying I always knew it would be ok and I never wanted to sign anyone, why didn’t you trust me. Which is bollocks and hypocritical.
A positive interpretation is no more “right” than a negative one. We cannot accurately predict the future so these sorts of things are just opinions, forecasts and speculations.

Personally I believe that having a positive outlook reaps rewards in life. People treat you favourably and often times a positive mindset leads to better decision making. The idea that you “make your own luck” has both anecdotal and scientific backing.

In the case of a football fan I would say this is amplified and becomes practical. A stadium full of positive fans will transfer encouragement to the players, as a negative fan base would prompt anxiety. It might be small in comparison to the athletic and technical ability of those players but it’s a factor I reckon.

Every fan can choose their own outlook of course. But I don’t see any benefit to predicting/expecting the worst. It still hurts if we fail... whether someone has been moaning the whole time or not.

As for Poch being hypocritical... perhaps he’s being pragmatic. He might know we aren’t signing anyone in January and is trying to placate fans in advance because he knows their moaning won’t help. I have no idea, it’s just a guess, but I’m very happy to suppport Poch’s positive outlook because I think he’s bloody brilliantly!
 

Lilbaz

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He said he believes in the universe and that score was "a gift" and if ever there was a sign from the universe to stay where your heart is it's getting a 2-6 win on your 26th wedding anniversary (although i think the wife may have been hoping for a better gift ;) )

Yes he's a nutter with lemons. But we still love him.
 

fortworthspur

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some of ya need to get a grip. the club is bigger than poch. i want him to stay but if leaves it'll be ok. someone brought up klopp and dortmund is doing fine without him.
 

chinaman

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He said he believes in the universe and that score was "a gift" and if ever there was a sign from the universe to stay where your heart is it's getting a 2-6 win on your 26th wedding anniversary (although i think the wife may have been hoping for a better gift ;) )


Poch scoring 6 times isn't good enough?
 

Gareth88

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Fuck Man Utd, Fuck the media speculation lets just watch football and enjoy. I think our press officer has done great with the questioning so far and theless we are asked about it the better. The football landscape changes all the time some teams have long legacys and fall, could we possibly be seeing a fall for Man united? Highly unlikely but if/when Poch turns them down the tide might start to turn. If Poch wanted to leave he would have left already. Why would he hang on in there just for the united job? Real offered and he said no, signs a longer contract. “Because it’s United”, fuck off with that nonsense they are a crumbling mess. So about the rambling just had a lot of coffee and am sick of hearing this shite all day from the media
 

DCSPUR64

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Poch will leave sooner or later, winning a trophy is with us for ever, so I am sure that is what Poch is focusing on.
 

ChristianBaler

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Perhaps we should bring in one he is after in January then. Yeah i know, fat chance but Levy blew it over the summer. He has a chance to try to make it up and it might be the only shot we have at keeping Poch.

we're playing excellent football and have plenty of options on the bench....who are we going to bring in and who is going to get their minutes reduced and place taken in the squad? We all know top players are hard to come by in January and I think we also need to realize that coming to Spurs with Poch as manager takes time to get use to how Poch wants players to perform.

i cant see us bringing in anyone in January, even if Poch wanted to because of how settled the team is right now and how big our squad is
 
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coy-spurs1882

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JJ's comments to me are probably the most reasonable path in the future for him. He'll try achieve all in can with Spurs in the next 2/3 years & then if the Real job is still available he'll move on.
or we become as good as real under poch :woot:(y)
 

Mr Pink

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Find out a lot about him today. There’s obviously no doubts about what strengths he has. But in a crucial moment in the season that really defines if rest of season is a title race or top 4 scrap. Does he have what it takes to get us over the line today and the 3 pts. If not it will just be another moment to add the list of failures in crucial moments.

Satisfied?
 

matthew.absurdum

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Poch's formation is really good this season. The 442 diamond utilizes the players we have. I think we also did well in 433. But 442 diamond seems more suitable for the players that we have.

1. Sissoko plays much better as a box to box in the diamond. But when we play 433 he also plays well.

2. Dele's position problem. When we play 4231 or 433, I always have the feeling: what is his best position? He seems to be more suitable to be as the CAM in the diamond. Definitely not as a wide player, not a "no.10" playmaker (he needs to score!), but a free floating attacking midfielder, conducting quick transition with the two strikers. And the position also utilizes his ability to control the midfield

3. We have too many DMs. When we played 4231, the two DMs usually makes our transition difficult. Now we just need one DM, but basically what he needs to do is the defensive work + simple but accurate pass. This especially suits Winks and Skipp

4. Putting Eriksen as a no.8 playmaker. We do not have that modric-like playmaker. Eriksen is a very good playmaker, but I don't think he can play as one of the 2CM because of his defensive ability. Now the diamond makes him to be a playmaker that have less defensive role.

5. The Kane backup problem. I still think maybe we should play Llorente + son/lucas when Kane is out. But son + Lucas as 2 strikers still not a bad option to be the backup of Kane. If we can't find 1 striker that is as good as Kane, then we use two strikers.

6. Actually, Poch loves to put attacking players in the middle and use the full backs to provide width. 442 Diamond heavily relies on the full back to provide the width.
 

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"I want to show my gratitude to Nicola Cortese. I believed in him, he brought me here, my staff and my family. I am full of gratitude to him," he said.
"Eight months ago when this happened we were finishing my first season and I did say that if he left there would be no sense for me to stay.

"The new situation is different. We are in the middle of our new project. Nicola knows of my decision to stay; I have spoken to him. I am fully committed to the staff, the players, the club and it would make no sense to leave in the middle of our path."

The Premier League outfit announced in a statement on Wednesday night that Cortese's resignation had been accepted and that their owner Katharina Liebherr had taken on the role of non-executive chairman, with the search having begun for a new chief executive officer.

Pochettino added: "We are professionals, but we’re also human. It’s a very sad blow, but we need to think about the game on Saturday.

“Of course I have spoken to the players. I’ve said to them exactly what I’m saying to you now.

“I’d also like to highlight that, when Nicola offered me my contract, the only thing he said was to be 100% professional.

“I have a contract and a responsibility to Southampton.”

6 months or so before he joined us.

Yeah and how many players were being sold from under him? I think what happened was he was lied to by the board with regards what direction they wanted to take the club.
 

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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46625415

Everton 2-6 Tottenham: 'How Pochettino methods have put Tottenham in the title race'
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By Jermaine Jenas
Former Tottenham midfielder at Goodison Park



Tottenham are suddenly being talked about as title contenders after their superb 6-2 win at Everton on Sunday, but it was a performance I had seen coming.
I was more surprised by how poor Everton were because, having watched Spurs a lot over the past few weeks, they have been getting better and better.
Their only negative result since the end of October was their defeat in the north London derby, which came at the end of a very tough week in which they beat Chelsea and Inter Milan.
Since then, they have responded unbelievably well and - as always - they are reaping the rewards of Mauricio Pochettino's training methods and the way he rotates his team.

Sometimes he rests players for important games, but what people often don't pick up on are the times he plays them through the moments when it might seem like they need a break.
Mauricio understands how sometimes players need to do that to get fitter, and now he is reaping the rewards.
The quality of Tottenham's play compared to Everton was probably the biggest difference between the two teams at Goodison Park on Sunday, but their respective work-rate stood out for me too.
There could not have been a bigger contrast in the way Spurs sprinted to every ball, while Everton jogged.
That was one of the reasons Tottenham ran out such convincing winners, and it is not just a coincidence that their players have been getting stronger and stronger as their form has improved in such a busy few weeks.

Spurs are not favourites - but they are in with a chance

It has been so tight at the top between Liverpool and Manchester City until this weekend that many people were not talking about Spurs as being contenders. They are now.
It is easy to get over-excited after an outstanding display like the one I watched at Goodison Park but, while I still think they might ultimately fall short of the title, there is no doubt they are in with a shout.

They have won 11 of their past 13 games in all competitions, and if they take maximum points from their next three matches over the festive period they are going to be even closer to at least one of the teams above them, because City host Liverpool on 3 January.
While I can understand why Pochettino played down his side's chances on MOTD2 by claiming the top two are "clear favourites" he will know Spurs are in with a shout this time.
If you had asked him at the start of the season what it would mean if they were within two points of City at Christmas, I think he would have replied that they would be in with a chance of winning the Premier League.
That in itself is a great achievement, but the way Spurs have done it by collecting their best points tally of the Premier League era while also reaching the last 16 of the Champions League and the semi-finals of the Carabao Cup is even more impressive.

What happens next? Past failures will spur them on

Tottenham's squad depth is still my biggest concern, and why I feel winning the Premier League might be beyond them.
Any injury that kept Harry Kane, Christian Eriksen or Dele Alli out for a significant length of time would be a huge blow to them.
They are already going to be without Son Heung-Min for potentially the whole of January while he plays for South Korea in the Asian Cup. The way he has been playing, and scoring goals, he will be a big miss.
But that is the only really bad news. And, aside from their fitness levels and current good form, there are other positive factors that put them in a very good place to build on this position.

The most important change I have seen from Spurs this season is they now have the ability to win ugly.
When they play like they did against Everton, they usually win; when they perform like that, I think they could beat any team on the planet.
But previously, when their levels dipped, they could not drag themselves through matches - their defeats last season by Juventus in the Champions League and Manchester United in the FA Cup were good examples of that.
Now it is different. In the first few months of this campaign I don't think they played well very often - maybe two or three times maximum - but I saw a new level of maturity within the team that meant they could manage matches and grind out results.
They also know what it is like to be in this situation and fail.
Experiences like the horrible defeats they suffered against Chelsea and Newcastle at the end of the 2015-16 season are with this side, because the same players are still at the club.
They all felt what it was like to fall short and their desire for it to be different this time is inside them, and it is driving them on in every single game.

Will Pochettino speculation affect Spurs' season?

Of course things never seem to be completely straightforward for Spurs.
There has already been a delay in their move to their new stadium, and now they are having to put up with speculation about Pochettino's future after Jose Mourinho was sacked by Manchester United.
I don't think talk of him leaving in the summer will affect Tottenham's chances of success this season but, in a weird way, I think the more positive things that happen to them in the next five months, the worse their chances are of keeping him.
I have been afraid of United coming in for Pochettino for a couple of years now because, with his style of play and ability to develop players, he is the exact fit for what they want and what they need.
If he is offered the job at Old Trafford he will have a big decision to make, but I think for him to leave it would take one thing which I don't feel he is prepared to do right now - which is to basically look at the chairman Daniel Levy, the club and the fans, and say: 'I resign.'
We will have to wait and see what happens but, the type of person that Pochettino is, I think the only way he would do that is if he was leaving the club in a good place.
So, if Spurs won the Premier League, the Champions League or the FA Cup, that could be the time he says: 'There you go, that is the end - this is what I was trying to achieve at this club and now I am going to move on."
Jermaine Jenas was speaking to BBC Sport's Chris Bevan at Goodison Park
 

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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46625415

Everton 2-6 Tottenham: 'How Pochettino methods have put Tottenham in the title race'
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By Jermaine Jenas
Former Tottenham midfielder at Goodison Park



Tottenham are suddenly being talked about as title contenders after their superb 6-2 win at Everton on Sunday, but it was a performance I had seen coming.
I was more surprised by how poor Everton were because, having watched Spurs a lot over the past few weeks, they have been getting better and better.
Their only negative result since the end of October was their defeat in the north London derby, which came at the end of a very tough week in which they beat Chelsea and Inter Milan.
Since then, they have responded unbelievably well and - as always - they are reaping the rewards of Mauricio Pochettino's training methods and the way he rotates his team.

Sometimes he rests players for important games, but what people often don't pick up on are the times he plays them through the moments when it might seem like they need a break.
Mauricio understands how sometimes players need to do that to get fitter, and now he is reaping the rewards.
The quality of Tottenham's play compared to Everton was probably the biggest difference between the two teams at Goodison Park on Sunday, but their respective work-rate stood out for me too.
There could not have been a bigger contrast in the way Spurs sprinted to every ball, while Everton jogged.
That was one of the reasons Tottenham ran out such convincing winners, and it is not just a coincidence that their players have been getting stronger and stronger as their form has improved in such a busy few weeks.

Spurs are not favourites - but they are in with a chance

It has been so tight at the top between Liverpool and Manchester City until this weekend that many people were not talking about Spurs as being contenders. They are now.
It is easy to get over-excited after an outstanding display like the one I watched at Goodison Park but, while I still think they might ultimately fall short of the title, there is no doubt they are in with a shout.

They have won 11 of their past 13 games in all competitions, and if they take maximum points from their next three matches over the festive period they are going to be even closer to at least one of the teams above them, because City host Liverpool on 3 January.
While I can understand why Pochettino played down his side's chances on MOTD2 by claiming the top two are "clear favourites" he will know Spurs are in with a shout this time.
If you had asked him at the start of the season what it would mean if they were within two points of City at Christmas, I think he would have replied that they would be in with a chance of winning the Premier League.
That in itself is a great achievement, but the way Spurs have done it by collecting their best points tally of the Premier League era while also reaching the last 16 of the Champions League and the semi-finals of the Carabao Cup is even more impressive.

What happens next? Past failures will spur them on

Tottenham's squad depth is still my biggest concern, and why I feel winning the Premier League might be beyond them.
Any injury that kept Harry Kane, Christian Eriksen or Dele Alli out for a significant length of time would be a huge blow to them.
They are already going to be without Son Heung-Min for potentially the whole of January while he plays for South Korea in the Asian Cup. The way he has been playing, and scoring goals, he will be a big miss.
But that is the only really bad news. And, aside from their fitness levels and current good form, there are other positive factors that put them in a very good place to build on this position.

The most important change I have seen from Spurs this season is they now have the ability to win ugly.
When they play like they did against Everton, they usually win; when they perform like that, I think they could beat any team on the planet.
But previously, when their levels dipped, they could not drag themselves through matches - their defeats last season by Juventus in the Champions League and Manchester United in the FA Cup were good examples of that.
Now it is different. In the first few months of this campaign I don't think they played well very often - maybe two or three times maximum - but I saw a new level of maturity within the team that meant they could manage matches and grind out results.
They also know what it is like to be in this situation and fail.
Experiences like the horrible defeats they suffered against Chelsea and Newcastle at the end of the 2015-16 season are with this side, because the same players are still at the club.
They all felt what it was like to fall short and their desire for it to be different this time is inside them, and it is driving them on in every single game.

Will Pochettino speculation affect Spurs' season?

Of course things never seem to be completely straightforward for Spurs.
There has already been a delay in their move to their new stadium, and now they are having to put up with speculation about Pochettino's future after Jose Mourinho was sacked by Manchester United.
I don't think talk of him leaving in the summer will affect Tottenham's chances of success this season but, in a weird way, I think the more positive things that happen to them in the next five months, the worse their chances are of keeping him.
I have been afraid of United coming in for Pochettino for a couple of years now because, with his style of play and ability to develop players, he is the exact fit for what they want and what they need.
If he is offered the job at Old Trafford he will have a big decision to make, but I think for him to leave it would take one thing which I don't feel he is prepared to do right now - which is to basically look at the chairman Daniel Levy, the club and the fans, and say: 'I resign.'
We will have to wait and see what happens but, the type of person that Pochettino is, I think the only way he would do that is if he was leaving the club in a good place.
So, if Spurs won the Premier League, the Champions League or the FA Cup, that could be the time he says: 'There you go, that is the end - this is what I was trying to achieve at this club and now I am going to move on."
Jermaine Jenas was speaking to BBC Sport's Chris Bevan at Goodison Park

This squad depth argument is a bit of a myth surely, pundits seem to be talking so much shit lately, I would argue that playing and winning consistently with out our 3 first choice CMs shows very good squad depth. We have Son who can replace Kane, we have Christian, Dele, Son, Lamela, Lucas to fit into 3, we have 4 CBs, and 4 solid full backs. Is that not decent squad depth?

We will see how Liverpool do if Henderson, Salah or VVD are out for a spell.
 

BringBack_leGin

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This squad depth argument is a bit of a myth surely, pundits seem to be talking so much shit lately, I would argue that playing and winning consistently with out our 3 first choice CMs shows very good squad depth. We have Son who can replace Kane, we have Christian, Dele, Son, Lamela, Lucas to fit into 3, we have 4 CBs, and 4 solid full backs. Is that not decent squad depth?

We will see how Liverpool do if Henderson, Salah or VVD are out for a spell.

Agreed. This is the team that didn’t start yesterday:

Gazzaniga
Aurier Foyth Vertonghen Rose
Dier
Wanyama Dembele
Lamela
Llorente Lucas​
 

Jaddas

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The other thing to consider is that Poch seems to be very much a family man. His youngest son is in our academy and the eldest is a sports scientist at the club, so not only is he immersed in our club but so is his family with 3/4 of them employed by us. I know Utd could easily give both of his sons roles but would they want to move?

If they don't, then would Poch be prepared to leave 1 or both in London if he was offered Utd? I can't see Poch doing a Mourinho and leaving all or part of his family in London.

Maybe I'm clutching at straws but I think it would come into his thinking.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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pundits seem to be talking so much shit lately.
Pundits always talk bollocks at one time or another. Or, to put it another way, pundits often say things one might not agree with. Much like on here, you get one person holding one opinion that goes against that of another. Only on SC, that's fine, but if its a pundit, they are a **** of monumental proportions who's parentage is questionable and that's being polite :D

That's all it is really, if people chilled over it there'd be so much less angst around. Pundits say things that we sometimes agree with and sometimes don't, they don't owe accuracy, (even though it would be nice) that would be impossible because they cover so many teams that having detailed knowledge would mean an inordinate amount of time spent researching each and every team.

Look at Souness yesterday. He routinely gets roundly ****ed off on here, yet he's always fair and honest and was positively gushing in his praise for us yesterday, so much so that he went from **** to 'one of our own' in the space of five minutes, you couldn't make that up :D

Basically, a pundit must say positive and nice things about Spurs 100% of the time. Or he's a ****. The rabid nature the criticism often takes on here is a joke, someone is always complaining about something, you'd think by now it'd have sunk in and I still don't get why it matters so much, its the nature of it, they are onions, soundbites and blather that's all. And the notion that it's premeditated bias/agenda is just laughable.

It's OK for a pundit to be stupid or to say something that you don't agree with, it happens on here multiple times between ourselves too :D

But I do agree that Sky's in game commentary yesterday was a bit embarrassing. You'd expect Tyler to mention the Poch to United thing but he went over the top with it and I hope someone at Sky has a word although I won't hold my breath. I think perhaps it'll run for an amount of time and then die out until nearer the end of the season.

Them's my onions anyway, I fully expect people to disagree and that's OK, you're not ****s or biased or even riddled with agenda, you just don't agree. Idiots :woot:
 
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