The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[fishhhandaricecake]

After we got to the final we broke our transfer record on Tungay and spent a lot on LoCelso . There’s a lot of stick to give Levy but your example is totally untrue

It’s the lack of hiring the right football people to suit our clubs DNA and to implement a consistent football plan that has been the main issue with Levy.

Secondly him being too involved in football decisions has hamstrung us for years, weather it be bidding too low for a player like Grealish, ending up with N’Jie & Sissoko instead of Winjaldium & Mane, holding onto players we need to sell for too long by not accepting losses on their values, essentially managing the football side like a business not like a football team with a strategy for both fan entertainment and success.

Hopefully there are signs now with Big Ange on a 4 year deal and a big player clear out as well as a football and recruitment restructure that lessons have been learnt and we will move in a better direction again like we did at times under Jol, Redknapp and Poch.

And if we do then the key will be building on a position of strength and having contingency plans in place.

 

[easley91]

It's tiring seeing things that aren't true used as sticks to beat him with. Don't get me wrong, I want him gone. He has gone stale and we need to move on.

But one headline, yes headline because people didn't read the "in EXCESS" bit within the article has made people lose their minds again.

A player gets linked "oh cheapskate Levy doing it again".

Bore off.

 

[Donki]

So do we all really think Daniel Levy is sat there telling an architect, and more importantly the developer who'll be driving this, to add more floors, also, do you all think its purely THFC money going in to this? And finally, when its built, where do you think the money it makes will be going?

ENIC has rarely used its own money, so I doubt they will start now.

 

[SandroClegane]

ENIC has rarely used its own money, so I doubt they will start now.

You know, besides last year when they used 100m of their own money.

"BUT THEY DIDN'T SPEND 150M!"

 

[Donki]

You know, besides last year when they used 100m of their own money.

"BUT THEY DIDN'T SPEND 150M!"

Over the last 25 years?

 

[SandroClegane]

Over the last 25 years?

We have an example literally within the last two years now that the main capital projects (training facility/stadium) are complete. What does it matter if they didn't put a cash injection in during the late 2000's?

I'm not trying to defend Daniel and ENIC but some of you go so far over the top. There's no need to exaggerate with the actual facts that are out there.

 

[Donki]

We have an example literally within the last two years now that the main capital projects (training facility/stadium) are complete. What does it matter if they didn't put a cash injection in during the late 2000's?

I'm not trying to defend Daniel and ENIC but some of you go so far over the top. There's no need to exaggerate with the actual facts that are out there.

No the money they put in is THFC money it’s not capital investment. As far as I know ENIC only spends THFC money. Apart from about £40m many years ago.

 

[KaribYid]

This new game of "I'm not trying to defend Levy/I don't like Levy but I'm going to defend him from every single bit of criticism" is pretty funny ngl.

 

[cliff jones]

To be fair I met the lead director, Chris Lee, for the architec, Populus at a seminar and that is not what he said. He said he was a demanding client who knew exactly what he wanted. He had never met anybody like Daniel who expected all involved to have the same enthusiasm as him and hardly slept. Micro-managing was never a phrase he used. But exhausting was used a lot.

I've met senior Populus folk at events who are obviously proud of their work yet chose to roll their eyes at the same question.

You'll only get any decent insight in the bar later, possibly...

 

[g_harry]

So do we all really think Daniel Levy is sat there telling an architect, and more importantly the developer who'll be driving this, to add more floors, also, do you all think its purely THFC money going in to this? And finally, when its built, where do you think the money it makes will be going?

Of course he will, the more rooms/private apartments the more potential return. ENIC are effectively the developer and are ultimately the landlord of the building, ENIC will then lease the building to a hotel operator who will run it however they see fit (normally 20year lease). I would suspect there may be private apartments within the building also.

Whether all the income generated from the development goes back to running the football club or events company or development company, that I can't be so sure.

 

[g_harry]

So far hardly anything spent , not even enough to buy Mbappes big toe.

TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR HOTEL LTD​

Yea so question should be how is the club intending to fund this build, no doubt over its investment period and if successful it could generate alot of revenue with the lease of the hotel and sale of the apartments and when complete is it going to be solely for the benefit of the football club.

Furthermore, how can Daniel (coys) give the football side 100% when he is so heavily involved in this. I had said a while back that the football side was being neglected and this to me reaffirms that.

It's even more important that he realises the need for a proper football person to run the football side and he can then work on the commercial side.

 

[MR_BEN]

Yea so question should be how is the club intending to fund this build, no doubt over its investment period and if successful it could generate alot of revenue with the lease of the hotel and sale of the apartments and when complete is it going to be solely for the benefit of the football club.

Furthermore, how can Daniel (coys) give the football side 100% when he is so heavily involved in this. I had said a while back that the football side was being neglected and this to me reaffirms that.

It's even more important that he realises the need for a proper football person to run the football side and he can then work on the commercial side.

You just choosing to ignore that he brought in Paratici to do just that (and then he turned out to be a crook), and has now brought Munn is as well?

It’s clear he see’s this - but sometimes needs must.

He probably also has executives that look after the property side of things as well.

 

[sidford]

This new game of "I'm not trying to defend Levy/I don't like Levy but I'm going to defend him from every single bit of criticism" is pretty funny ngl.

It's not something some of us want to do but if people continue to wrongly accuse levy/Enic of things then it takes away from all the valid arguments to get rid of them.
There are so many legitimate arguments against Levy & Enic that nobody needs to make up stuff on it. If you find yourself in a discussion about it with anyone who is even a small bit informed on the topic they will rightly focus on the incorrect bits and you will have lost the argument. Why do that when you have decades of incompetence to focus on.

 

[sundanceyid10]

It’s the lack of hiring the right football people to suit our clubs DNA and to implement a consistent football plan that has been the main issue with Levy.

Secondly him being too involved in football decisions has hamstrung us for years, weather it be bidding too low for a player like Grealish, ending up with N’Jie & Sissoko instead of Winjaldium & Mane, holding onto players we need to sell for too long by not accepting losses on their values, essentially managing the football side like a business not like a football team with a strategy for both fan entertainment and success.

Hopefully there are signs now with Big Ange on a 4 year deal and a big player clear out as well as a football and recruitment restructure that lessons have been learnt and we will move in a better direction again like we did at times under Jol, Redknapp and Poch.

And if we do then the key will be building on a position of strength and having contingency plans in place.

The big problem with Levy is he is reactionary. The top clubs go out and spend when they are on top. Levy tends to when we are declining or he is in the s***. If there is a period when we are doing ok he is more likely not to invest much in the team, as he can maximise profits. That hardly keeps players no there toes and leads to not winning many trophies or none in our case.

 

[spursfan77]

So far hardly anything spent , not even enough to buy Mbappes big toe.

TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR HOTEL LTD​

They might just sell it off as development land with planning permission for a hotel. It will be worth quite a bit as that. Sure they might seek a development partner or even use it to help get outside investment for the football club too. There’s quite a few options open to them which could be used to benefit the football club, Enic themselves or both. Trouble is for Levy, it’s more ammunition for criticism of levy for not keeping his eye on the football club. People will interpret it whichever way they want because Levy never comes out and explains his decisions, so he kind of asks for it.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Yea so question should be how is the club intending to fund this build, no doubt over its investment period and if successful it could generate alot of revenue with the lease of the hotel and sale of the apartments and when complete is it going to be solely for the benefit of the football club.

Furthermore, how can Daniel (coys) give the football side 100% when he is so heavily involved in this. I had said a while back that the football side was being neglected and this to me reaffirms that.

It's even more important that he realises the need for a proper football person to run the football side and he can then work on the commercial side.

Would assume that it will be funded in the same way as the stadium and training ground by loans from major banks, there was also talk of a partner in the hotel so maybe a major hotel chain will come in and part fund the project.

Levy can't do every single thing at the club , over the years of ENIC various directors have come and gone in the different TH companies they must have been involved in the commercial side somewhere.

On the football side Steve Hitchen was heavily involved until he left when Paratici came in, before that we have had Comoli but in this article it claims Redknapp insisted that he didn't want a director of football.
Also in the article Jol blames Comoli not Levy for players signed.

Damien Comolli - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

They might just sell it off as development land with planning permission for a hotel. It will be worth quite a bit as that. Sure they might seek a development partner or even use it to help get outside investment for the football club too. There’s quite a few options open to them which could be used to benefit the football club, Enic themselves or both. Trouble is for Levy, it’s more ammunition for criticism of levy for not keeping his eye on the football club. People will interpret it whichever way they want because Levy never comes out and explains his decisions, so he kind of asks for it.

He doesn't explain anything as ENIC hold 85.55% of the share capital in Spurs of which Levy family own 29.4% , so he answers to Lewis & family not the fanbase.
Of course we will soon have FAB, how much he will tell the elected reps of the fans is debateable.
Be interesting to know how much a single share is now worth from when ENIC took over until now, there are some fans out there who hold Spurs shares.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

The big problem with Levy is he is reactionary. The top clubs go out and spend when they are on top. Levy tends to when we are declining or he is in the s***. If there is a period when we are doing ok he is more likely not to invest much in the team, as he can maximise profits. That hardly keeps players no there toes and leads to not winning many trophies or none in our case.

Yep if we where in Arsenal’s boots right now and had just finished second, way we have acted in the past he would pull up the draw bridge and go that is enough you don’t need Declan Rice and keep that team as it is for a few seasons before it drops off. That type of mentality has to change at this club, staying still is going backwards.

 

[spursfan77]

He doesn't explain anything as ENIC hold 85.55% of the share capital in Spurs of which Levy family own 29.4% , so he answers to Lewis & family not the fanbase.
Of course we will soon have FAB, how much he will tell the elected reps of the fans is debateable.
Be interesting to know how much a single share is now worth from when ENIC took over until now, there are some fans out there who hold Spurs shares.

I’m fully aware of the ownership structure of ENIC and the club thanks. Are you happy with how he explains his footballing decisions and satisfied with his level of clarity on that then or do you think he could do that a bit better?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I’m fully aware of the ownership structure of ENIC and the club thanks. Are you happy with how he explains his footballing decisions and satisfied with his level of clarity on that then or do you think he could do that a bit better?

Not sure any club owners explain anything to fans , a few of them broke cover over the super league to sort of apologise to fans but none consulted fans on the issue beforehand.
He could do better explaining but is unlikely too, that's his nature.