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Neon_Knight_

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they wanted skriniar and bastoni. They got Rodon and Lenglet which is why Davies and Dier start. It's this club.
You've "conveniently" forgotten to mention Romero, who was signed between Rodon and Lenglet. Which of Skriniar / Bastoni would you rather have instead of him. For me, the answer is neither. Let's not forget that Romero was awarded "Serie A defender of the year" playing for Atalanta, while Skriniar and Bastoni were both overlooked while despite winning Serie A that season. He's also the one with a World Cup winner's medal.

You've also conveniently forgotten to mention that Bastoni chose to stay at Inter, so wasn't an option. Other rumoured targets were unrealistic, due to their clubs' inflated valuations and interest from big clubs. Lenglet is surely a stop-gap until a target Conte wants is attainable. If Lenglet is made permanent in the summer and we also don't upgrade at CCB, then I will be right with you criticising it.
 

rossdapep

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Actually their method was finish top four, that very method was what got Wenger the sack in the end because the fans turned on him because most fans want a trophy and merely trying to finish top four every year will ultimately leave the vast majority of your fanbase feeling bored and fed up as we're seeing now.

Their drop off was because they like us decided to stop trying to compete financially and pay for the stadium , their manager sort of agreed and focused on what the board wanted /needed and they have taken years to get themselves out of the rut.

I'm at work so haven't properly read your posts but from what I've glanced is you're trying to say top four is more important than trophies? If so the that maybe true for the board but for the vast vast majority of supporters it absolutely isn't and never will be. And now with the money their pulling in both should be more than possible.

I was only 11 when we won the Fa cup but I still remember it to this day, I remember knocking on doors screaming with joy, it was amazing. That's what football is about, joy , feeling , emotions. Not arguing that we should keep these billionaires investment fat and juicy and after years in the champions League that's all were doing. Were no nearer to being champions, haven't got anywhere near a domestic trophy and we had one run in the CL under a manager the board didn't back and burnt out
Yeah Arsenal fans consistently stated 'Left Highbury to compete with the likes of Bayern" when they were getting battered 10-2 on aggegrate.

That wasn't the club's statement when the stadium was being built but it was to invest significantly better in the first team.

Which is why its so frustrating seeing players like Sanchez, Dier etc still starting.

But back to Arsenal, yeah they went through a very similar drop off after the stadium move
 

Trent Crimm

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On the Arsenal front, they may be reaping the benefits of paying off their stadium but I'm pretty sure that they didn't have anything like the loan structure that we have did they? Ours is extremely favourable.

When I watch us blow I often think about our favourable repayment structure
 

UncleBuck

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You will be fine. As long as you live to say 155. Have you invested in a cryonic freezing chamber ?
There’s one underneath
This is the Levy quote from Football London:
"There's definitely lots more to come, some of which I cannot talk about.
But what is in the public domain is we have planning permission for a hotel that we definitely intend to build over the coming years, a number of residential homes and I think you will see a lot of other things that will come out over the next 12-14 months.
I think the club is in a very good position. Everything we have done is now to increase our revenues so that we can put back into the team and we need to continue to improve the team.
I think if you own a football club you want to win. It's easier said than done. We have been in the Champions League a number of times but we need to regularly be there and we now need to win a trophy."


The F1 deal could well be one of the "lot of other things" that will come out within the next 12-14 months. The optimistic part of my brain is holding out hope that external investment (stadium naming rights and/or ownership) is on the way.

The last few statements about investing in the team and winning a trophy could be interpreted to imply that we're about to go big in the summer. It could also be unrelated comments to avoid only discussing non-footballing matters, or potentially even him trying to inspire us to feel more patient about footballing matters for 12-14 months and postpone any fan backlash from a "misplaced" focus on capital investments.
So rather naively asking do we think there might be mileage (excuse the pun) in a stadium deal being tied up with F1?
 

Trent Crimm

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There’s one underneath

So rather naively asking do we think there might be mileage (excuse the pun) in a stadium deal being tied up with F1?

Well levy’s dome is hanging around the pit in Bahrain so something is up. He’d better factor 50 up
 

glacierSpurs

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Yeah I know is the dailymail, but so funny for the 'chiefs' to be so dismayed if there are any truth in this. They will probably underline the end of season trophy is a top-4 yet again.
 

TheVoiceofReason

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Says who ?

The coaching staff have nothing to do with the selling of players.

In reference to the Daily Mail article. I’m saying that it’s crazy that the board would feel entitled to be angry at the coaching staff for using players the board can’t get rid of.
 

Dazzazzad

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I was only 11 when we won the Fa cup but I still remember it to this day, I remember knocking on doors screaming with joy, it was amazing. That's what football is about, joy , feeling , emotions.
But back then it was a coveted prize. There was glory. Now it's a chance to rest key players and give fringe players some minutes, at least until the final rounds.

It's just not the same competition it once was.
 

easley91

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In reference to the Daily Mail article. I’m saying that it’s crazy that the board would feel entitled to be angry at the coaching staff for using players the board can’t get rid of.
Can't get rid of, or nobody wants to pay the wages we currently do, or the players just don't want to go?
 

Metalhead

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On that basis the Premier League should only comprise of about 7 teams , have to wonder why the fans of Palace , Brighton etc turn up every week.
Imagine City, Chelsea, United, Arsenal and Liverpool fans having that mentality. We're supposed to be keeping company with them, not the ones that you've mentioned - not in terms of expectation.
 

Marty

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The timing of the sacking couldn't really have been worse, but we'll probably never know the full reasoning behind it. There was unrest within the playing squad, the board and the fanbase in the months (not just weeks/days) leading up to the sacking. Even when we were top of the league after 11 games, having just taken 7 points from a tough run of games against Arsenal, Chelsea & Man City and having overcome unprecedented fixture congestion in Sept/Oct, there was a lot of discontent from fans about our performances. There were already claims circulating in the media that players were unhappy with the "negative" tactics.

While I agree that it seemed irrational to sack Mourinho a week before the final, perhaps something behind closed doors made it untenable for Levy to keep him on.

Levy may have pulled the trigger prematurely to avoid a cup win for Mourinho complicating plans to replace the manager in the summer (sacking a "successful" manager would not only risk upsetting fans, but would also make prospective future managers think twice). It could equally be claimed that Levy should have pulled the trigger much earlier, after an awful run of results during Dec-Feb. He may have been hoping to cling on until the end of the season (either in hope of results improving or because that's a more practical time to hire a new manager), but then have reached a point where this was no longer a viable option.
Mourinho should have been sacked the morning after Zagreb, and when the trigger wasn't pulled then the only sensible time would've been the end of the season. It was a mad decision by Levy to sack him when he did.
 

Metalhead

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When I watch us blow I often think about our favourable repayment structure
I was just making the point that I imagine that our ability to compete whilst paying off the stadium debt is not what Arsenal had to deal with so there is less excuse there.
 

Japhet

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Mourinho should have been sacked the morning after Zagreb, and when the trigger wasn't pulled then the only sensible time would've been the end of the season. It was a mad decision by Levy to sack him when he did.


Mourinho was absolute poison leading up to that final, calling players out in public and such. We were never winning that final anyway, and if we'd lost with Mourinho in charge this place would be awash with people asking why the fuck Levy didn't sack him and give Mason a go with nothing to lose.
 
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