The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[KaribYid]

I see John Weldon is negative repping you without having anything to say for himself. He does this so regularly I am surprised it is allowed by the Mods.

The ratings system is there to be used.

 

[Gilzeanking]

I can't help wondering how many here raging about the Conte appointment were drooling over it when it was made. Yes, I get the argument that well I'm just a fan, it's his job to get it right, but c'mon. A proportion of fans were against Jose yes, but against Conte ?

The huge catastrophe imo which fucks up all the figures was the terrible terrible 100 mill plus large wages spunked on N'Dombele and Lo Celso. Who is to blame we never hear, but Poch was manager at the time. The current heat on Levy for Poch's sacking just ignores the realities of that time(eg no away wins for a year)....and he might have done well now..but there's a big chance imo that he wouldn't. We'll never know so presenting Poch's non arrival as some major blunder is just people enjoying a pile on...and who doesn't.

Someone saying Conte would have stormed off even if he hadn't had his run of bad luck are also just enjoying the pile on too. No-one, absolutely no-one could have anticipated that the 2 forwards either side of Kane would simply disappear for the season. Sonny apologised to Conte saying he's to blame for his departure...Yes he's Right ...plus Kulu of course . With these 2 firing Conte would be here and top 4 a likelihood imo.

Injuries to star player Bents and Biss and then absences of Richie,Cuti and now Emerson,Davies, Sess. Who would have anticipated that ? Bents loss absolutely tragic ofc.

Not that I'm giving Levy a pass, it is true that his yakking on about attacking football..then bringing in Conte does look dumb, but people are forgetting the excitement of Conte arriving, we thought the bald one had surpassed himself. Conte then pulls a shambles of a team together and get's top 4...an incredible feat..totally lost in the outpouring of rage atm. WB Porro may be a mistake too, but Levy wanted to buy players his manager wanted...wasn't that his job ?

Yes, it'll be fun to chant 'Get out of my club' at Levy...but its pointless as he owns it. I do agree its good to keep a knife at his throat for the coming transfer window..so chant away if you like. Should he get Nags in as manager everyone will be delighted...and clearly everyone will forget their delight should things go awry in a year or two, as they are forgetting their Conte delight now....and of course Levy will be guilty for signing Nags then.

And on to the media wetting their knickers in the thrill of slagging the club and getting clicks. Wtf is up with previously sensible Gold ? turned into a fucking drama queen, get a grip Gold for God's sake .

Yes it's been a disappointing season, but you'd think we were in Everton's position fighting relegation to judge by the tone of the reporting. Finishing outside the top 4 is not unheard of for a club our size. With deaths, sickness, massive form-loss and serious injury issues its been a tempestuous season and the next few games may hurt, but Levy is now properly informed that he needs to get his shit together promptly and I expect him to loosen the purse strings under this sort of pressure. ... Overall then, calm the fuck down.

 

[GMI]

I can't help wondering how many here raging about the Conte appointment were drooling over it when it was made. Yes, I get the argument that well I'm just a fan, it's his job to get it right, but c'mon. A proportion of fans were against Jose yes, but against Conte ?

The huge catastrophe imo which fucks up all the figures was the terrible terrible 100 mill plus large wages spunked on N'Dombele and Lo Celso. Who is to blame we never hear, but Poch was manager at the time. The current heat on Levy for Poch's sacking just ignores the realities of that time(eg no away wins for a year)....and he might have done well now..but there's a big chance imo that he wouldn't. We'll never know so presenting Poch's non arrival as some major blunder is just people enjoying a pile on...and who doesn't.

Someone saying Conte would have stormed off even if he hadn't had his run of bad luck are also just enjoying the pile on too. No-one, absolutely no-one could have anticipated that the 2 forwards either side of Kane would simply disappear for the season. Sonny apologised to Conte saying he's to blame for his departure...Yes he's Right ...plus Kulu of course . With these 2 firing Conte would be here and top 4 a likelihood imo.

Injuries to star player Bents and Biss and then absences of Richie,Cuti and now Emerson,Davies, Sess. Who would have anticipated that ? Bents loss absolutely tragic ofc.

Not that I'm giving Levy a pass, it is true that his yakking on about attacking football..then bringing in Conte does look dumb, but people are forgetting the excitement of Conte arriving, we thought the bald one had surpassed himself. Conte then pulls a shambles of a team together and get's top 4...an incredible feat..totally lost in the outpouring of rage atm. WB Porro may be a mistake too, but Levy wanted to buy players his manager wanted...wasn't that his job ?

Yes, it'll be fun to chant 'Get out of my club' at Levy...but its pointless as he owns it. I do agree its good to keep a knife at his throat for the coming transfer window..so chant away if you like. Should he get Nags in as manager everyone will be delighted...and clearly everyone will forget their delight should things go awry in a year or two, as they are forgetting their Conte delight now....and of course Levy will be guilty for signing Nags then.

And on to the media wetting their knickers in the thrill of slagging the club and getting clicks. Wtf is up with previously sensible Gold ? turned into a fucking drama queen, get a grip Gold for God's sake .

Yes it's been a disappointing season, but you'd think we were in Everton's position fighting relegation to judge by the tone of the reporting. Finishing outside the top 4 is not unheard of for a club our size. With deaths, sickness, massive form-loss and serious injury issues its been a tempestuous season and the next few games may hurt, but Levy is now properly informed that he needs to get his shit together promptly and I expect him to loosen the purse strings under this sort of pressure. ... Overall then, calm the fuck down.

Every time we achieve top 4 we are performing above par.

 

[markiespurs]

The only way we are going to get Levy out of the club is to hit him where it hurts. Don’t buy any merchandise, food or drink at the stadium, still support the team and hit Levy in his pocket.

 

[Dakes]

Didn't we just release a first team squad member for nothing last window. Im quite certain that's contradictory to this statement.

I might be mistaken, but I think it was a balls up, done erroneously rather than by design.

 

[Mr Pink]

Every time we achieve top 4 we are performing above par.

Well we're charging the highest ticket prices in the league so it really shouldn't be a case of performing above par....for years to come anyway.

 

[PaulM]

Every time we achieve top 4 we are performing above par.

Not really. If two or three big clubs (Liverpool and Chelsea for example) are performing well below par then we should be expecting top 4.

 

[Cinemattis]

My defense of Levy.

I get the 20 years without trophies argument. I also get that we were around 10th when he joined point of view.

My defense purely revolves around money .. which is important to a business ... a bit boring so just depends if you want to think about it.

Our owners are who they are, and we aren't going to go City or Chelsea levels of funding.

Levy in his role of Chairman should be judged by how he's done against competition of similar resources. I.e. there's no point in comparing the success of McDonald's vs your local chippy.

Liverpool , ManUtd and Arsenal had much larger income and therefore potential transfer spend. I think all agree that in this department he has done a good job of catching up.

Success wise , we flirted with Prem title and Champ league but ultimately failed. However, compared to competition ahead of us ... Man Utd and Arsenal .. we compare quite well ... ie all won little and similar league positions.

So.. imo to judge Levy is now we are closer financially because of his good work .. is he able to convince the stakeholders to spend that to achieve football success .

Since 2001 Arsenal and Man Utd won little? Compared to us?

Man Utd:
6 PL titles. 4 x runner up + 4 x 3rd.
2 FA Cups
5 League Cups
1 Champions League
1 UEFA Europa League
1 FIFA Club World Cup

Arsenal:
2 PL-titles. Runners up x 4 + 4 x 3rd.
7 FA Cups

MU has won 11 titles of higher ranking than our ONE League Cup (plus the FIVE League Cups they’ve won). Arse has 9.

And compared to those at our level or below?

Leicester: 1 League title, 1 FA Cup

FA Cup
Tottenham: no titles, no finals

Titles:
Leicester
Portsmouth +1 final
Wigan

Final:
Southampton
Millwall
West Ham
Cardiff
Everton
Stoke
Hull
Aston Villa
Crystal Palace
Watford


LEAGUE CUP:
TOTTENHAM: 1 title + 2 finals

Titles:
Birmingham: 1 title + 1 final
Blackburn
Middlesbrough
Swansea

Finals:
Bolton
Wigan
Aston Villa - 2
Cardiff
Bradford
Sunderland
Southampton
Newcastle

With all possible respect: I call bollocks, Sir.

 

[Misfit]

Since 2001 Arsenal and Man Utd won little? Compared to us?

Man Utd:
6 PL titles. 4 x runner up + 4 x 3rd.
2 FA Cups
5 League Cups
1 Champions League
1 UEFA Europa League
1 FIFA Club World Cup

Arsenal:
2 PL-titles. Runners up x 4 + 4 x 3rd.
7 FA Cups

MU has won 11 titles of higher ranking than our ONE League Cup (plus the FIVE League Cups they’ve won). Arse has 9.

And compared to those at our level or below?

Leicester: 1 League title, 1 FA Cup

FA Cup
Tottenham: no titles, no finals

Titles:
Leicester
Portsmouth +1 final
Wigan

Final:
Southampton
Millwall
West Ham
Cardiff
Everton
Stoke
Hull
Aston Villa
Crystal Palace
Watford


LEAGUE CUP:
TOTTENHAM: 1 title + 2 finals

Titles:
Birmingham: 1 title + 1 final
Blackburn
Middlesbrough
Swansea

Finals:
Bolton
Wigan
Aston Villa - 2
Cardiff
Bradford
Sunderland
Southampton
Newcastle

With all possible respect: I call bollocks, Sir.

Hell, United have won as much during their "wilderness years" post-Fergie as we have in the last 40 years.

 

[allatsea]

The ratings system is there to be used.

Not in the way he uses it.

 

[mil1lion]

I can't help wondering how many here raging about the Conte appointment were drooling over it when it was made. Yes, I get the argument that well I'm just a fan, it's his job to get it right, but c'mon. A proportion of fans were against Jose yes, but against Conte ?

The huge catastrophe imo which fucks up all the figures was the terrible terrible 100 mill plus large wages spunked on N'Dombele and Lo Celso. Who is to blame we never hear, but Poch was manager at the time. The current heat on Levy for Poch's sacking just ignores the realities of that time(eg no away wins for a year)....and he might have done well now..but there's a big chance imo that he wouldn't. We'll never know so presenting Poch's non arrival as some major blunder is just people enjoying a pile on...and who doesn't.

Someone saying Conte would have stormed off even if he hadn't had his run of bad luck are also just enjoying the pile on too. No-one, absolutely no-one could have anticipated that the 2 forwards either side of Kane would simply disappear for the season. Sonny apologised to Conte saying he's to blame for his departure...Yes he's Right ...plus Kulu of course . With these 2 firing Conte would be here and top 4 a likelihood imo.

Injuries to star player Bents and Biss and then absences of Richie,Cuti and now Emerson,Davies, Sess. Who would have anticipated that ? Bents loss absolutely tragic ofc.

Not that I'm giving Levy a pass, it is true that his yakking on about attacking football..then bringing in Conte does look dumb, but people are forgetting the excitement of Conte arriving, we thought the bald one had surpassed himself. Conte then pulls a shambles of a team together and get's top 4...an incredible feat..totally lost in the outpouring of rage atm. WB Porro may be a mistake too, but Levy wanted to buy players his manager wanted...wasn't that his job ?

Yes, it'll be fun to chant 'Get out of my club' at Levy...but its pointless as he owns it. I do agree its good to keep a knife at his throat for the coming transfer window..so chant away if you like. Should he get Nags in as manager everyone will be delighted...and clearly everyone will forget their delight should things go awry in a year or two, as they are forgetting their Conte delight now....and of course Levy will be guilty for signing Nags then.

And on to the media wetting their knickers in the thrill of slagging the club and getting clicks. Wtf is up with previously sensible Gold ? turned into a fucking drama queen, get a grip Gold for God's sake .

Yes it's been a disappointing season, but you'd think we were in Everton's position fighting relegation to judge by the tone of the reporting. Finishing outside the top 4 is not unheard of for a club our size. With deaths, sickness, massive form-loss and serious injury issues its been a tempestuous season and the next few games may hurt, but Levy is now properly informed that he needs to get his shit together promptly and I expect him to loosen the purse strings under this sort of pressure. ... Overall then, calm the fuck down.

I was excited about Conte but more so because I thought he might be the one who fights for the club to change. It started off well last jan, we got 2 quality players from Serie A and things were looking good. We then started with Perisic so it seemed like we were finally backing him.

The trouble is he wanted Bastoni and we ended up with Lenglet on loan. That seems OK because you don't always get your first choice. But when we get Spence and he makes it clear its a club signing the cracks started to form.

Trouble is we should know how hostile Conte is so it was always a matter of getting what he wants or it will turn bad. So I think those who were happy with Conte were happy on the basis that we back him. It was always a bad fit if we were not willing to change and we haven't.

We do spend money but only on players who fit the Levy profile not the manager. Also you have to question Conte for players like Son losing form especially if you don't set up so he plays further forward and you have him dropping too deep. Also he never would drop him so that's on him.

Honestly I expected better from Conte but we also didn't help matters. The fact is we had the perfect formula under Poch. When we sacked him we changed completely to different managers with defensive football. We should have stuck with the same model, get another attack minded man manager with history of developing players. Instead we got managers who have history with world class players but we didn't start to sign world class players to suit.

We can get back on track if we set up with a dof with a clear plan. Start signing players who fit the plan. Get a manager who fits the plan. So then if they leave or get sacked you get the next manager that fits the plan and so on. Instead we sign managers who look good on paper and players who are the best deals in the window.

 

[DarwinSpur]

I hate this patronising tone. We're hate filled and we can't comprehend the other sides opinion because we want Levy to go? Don't be so condescending.

For years those who wanted levy out were told be careful what you wish for or the absurd "look at Leeds". Now many including myself would prefer to risk it because Levy is undoing all the good work he has done to lift the club up. We can't continue to let levy make bad decisions because someone else might be worse

"look at Leeds" may be "absurd" but "LOOK AT EVERTON" is a very pertinent and salient comparison. New cashed up owner spends WAY beyond Club's means, has nothing to show for it except a calamitous slide down the table into repeated relegation scraps and when the "oil slave" money stops flowing and FFP kicks in there's nothing to fall back on. Levy, for all his many faults, has avoided (so far) that kind of calamity through a good business plan.

I'm fine with people wanting Levy/Enic out. What I don't yet understand is WHO is taking over? I, and others, are understandably cautious about that. It's chicken and egg. Show me the new owners and I'll make a call. Until then... I'll remain cautious. THat doesn't mean at all that I'm happy with the status quo.

 

[DarwinSpur]

I’m not ‘Levy out’ so I’ll say what I came to say and fuck off and leave you in peace.

I don’t give Henry Winter or Matt Law any credit for these snide pile-on pieces. It’s the easiest thing in the world to kick a man when he’s down. Was it Levy who picked two wing-backs who don’t have a clue how to defend as the full-backs in a 4 on Sunday? Is Levy responsible for the massive drop in Son’s form this year, or the haplessness of Kulusevski & Romero since Christmas? Is it Levy who broke these players to the extent they can’t handle anything but a 3-4-3?

Levy has made plenty of mistakes. Hiring Nuno was stupid, as was retaining Stellini when Conte got the boot. Both recommendations of Paratici, apparently. Levy also fucked up massively in summer 2018 transfer window, including in not paying a relative pittance for Grealish.

But so many things he’s blamed for were easily defensible decisions at the time and it is Monday morning quarterbacking to say differently now. Poch had 25 points from 24 games before he was sacked and had hardly won away from home in the league in a year. Both Mourinho and Conte were appointments large sections of the fanbase supported each time, as hiring pragmatic ‘win now’ managers made a degree of sense when Kane & Son were in their prime. I don’t think any of us felt we had a better option than Conte when Nuno was (rightly) sacked. Most of us were thrilled to get him.

And then the nonsense that he hasn’t invested in the team? He invested for Poch in 2019 (Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sess), for Jose in 2020 (Bale, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Doherty, Bergwijn), for Nuno & Conte in 2021 & 2022 & 2023 (Romero, Emerson, Perisic, Richarlison, Bissouma, Bentancur, Porro, Kulu etc.) He has spent lots of money. But we were beaten 6-1 at the weekend by a team that contained Willock, Longstaff, Burn & Murphy in the starting line-up. We need to assign more fault to the guys hired to coach the players to perform.

So chant for Levy to go by all means, that’s your right. I don’t think it will work - he owns the club (with Lewis) so he’ll only go when he gets the money for the club that would make it worthwhile. But don’t for a second think the club we are today is in any way worse than the shitshow before Levy road into town. Or pretend that lots of decisions we portray as foolish now didn’t make sense at the time and for good reason. He needs to get the next decision on the coach right - as he did with Jol, Redknapp and Poch. Let’s not pretend though that lots of us and lots of journalists weren’t applauding other appointments that we make fun of now.

Ok, enough, I’ll fuck off.

Couldn't agree more. Winter is a coward with an axe to grind and leaping at the easiest blood in the water like the shitty cowardly piece of piss clownfish masquerading as Shark that he is. All in the knowledge that Spurs fans rightly pissed off with the CLub will nod along happily.

The bloke is a prick. Take my Club's name out of your mouth you pissant little shit.

 

[wadewill]

With poch going chelsea got a feeling Levy will give everything he has plus more to make it work and be better than them

Thats the problem, I absoutely agree with you I think he genuinely would want to make it work more. But it seems to me that he thinks and believes everything he is doing is the for the best and is the right course of action. I don't doubt for one second he doesnt care, (COYS, Daniel)

He just seems out of touch with reality where the football side of things is concerned, he has been a disaster on that front

 

[RuskyM]

Levy's biggest mistake, which he repeats ad nauseam is that he backs the players ahead of everything else. Successful clubs recognise that if you have a coherent and consistent football philosophy that underpins the entire system it doesn't matter that players come and go. Levy does the exact opposite, he will do anything to avoid purging players.

Many have defended Levy's penchant for paying top dollar for managers as a sign that he isn't always cheap. Actually, it's a sign that he is. In his mind, it's better to hire the best manager money can buy to get the best out of your players, rather than consider rebuilding the squad. Saves a fortune.

It doesn't matter when Pochettino tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, get rid of the naysayer and bring in the guaranteed success of Mourinho. Doesn't matter when he tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, Conte will prove them wrong.

In 21 minutes Newcastle exposed exactly what this leads to, a bunch of entitled, safe and comfortable players who always know that if they kick up a fuss, they can get rid of tough training methods, exhausting high press tactics, anything that makes their lives a little tough.

Of course we have spent money, but Levy interferes enough that any manager knows that they don't really have the power. For every Perisic there is a Spence. And the players know that too, they know that when the shit hits the fan, they will be safe, the manager will be gone. And so we are left with a stagnant pool of indifference that our Chairman thinks is worth millions more than it is.

But who are these players? The ones that don’t care? Cos people say Dier and Sanchez but Dier’s a top man who works very hard and Davinson showed on Sunday he cares. So who are these that are callous and calculating? I just think it’s lazy to suggest professional footballers, who have dedicated their life to professional football, don’t care about success. If they needed a kick up the arse it would’ve been Conte or Mourinho to provide it: maybe it’s something more.

 

[PaulM]

But who are these players? The ones that don’t care? Cos people say Dier and Sanchez but Dier’s a top man who works very hard and Davinson showed on Sunday he cares. So who are these that are callous and calculating? I just think it’s lazy to suggest professional footballers, who have dedicated their life to professional football, don’t care about success. If they needed a kick up the arse it would’ve been Conte or Mourinho to provide it: maybe it’s something more.

I genuinely don't believe that we have any bad eggs in our squad. I'm talking the likes of Ronaldo at Man U or some of the c**ts Chelsea have had over the years. I think, fundamentally, we have a decent set of pros. But they lack something in their collective make-up. Killer instinct, winning mentality. Call it what you want. Some have also been here too long and others, I sense, have been given too much sway by the chairman.

But I don't think we have bad pros who just down tools whenever they aren't happy. I never got that sense. Even on Sunday.

 

[yido_number1]

But who are these players? The ones that don’t care? Cos people say Dier and Sanchez but Dier’s a top man who works very hard and Davinson showed on Sunday he cares. So who are these that are callous and calculating? I just think it’s lazy to suggest professional footballers, who have dedicated their life to professional football, don’t care about success. If they needed a kick up the arse it would’ve been Conte or Mourinho to provide it: maybe it’s something more.

Dier is a top man and cares he's just not good enough to start CB in a title chasing team.

Sanchez is also a decent guy and not a problem but also not good enough.

Honestly though any one that played Vs Newcastle barring Kane has limited professional pride. That was just a joke

 

[archiewasking]

I actually thought in the second half we came out and gave it a go. Gave as good as we got. Yes, the game was long since gone, but we made sure it didn't get worse.

That's not a group of players who don't care, imho.

 

[GMI]

Couldn't agree more. Winter is a coward with an axe to grind and leaping at the easiest blood in the water like the shitty cowardly piece of piss clownfish masquerading as Shark that he is. All in the knowledge that Spurs fans rightly pissed off with the CLub will nod along happily.

The bloke is a prick. Take my Club's name out of your mouth you pissant little shit.

I broadly agree with your previous post but this seems harsh.

 

[DarwinSpur]

I broadly agree with your previous post but this seems harsh.

In my defence feelings are running high and it's a febrile atmosphere?