The Regeneration of Tottenham Thread

[Wine Gum]

Following the rejection of the previous scheme, a revised Planning Application has been submitted for 807 High Road.

Online Planning Services: Application search results

Scheme Changes
............ the design has been adjusted in response to comments raised by the Planning SubCommittee. The changes proposed by this application are:

▪ An additional point of access is included from the sole disabled parking space. This provides direct access into internal circulation areas from the covered/secured parking space.
▪ Inclusion of additional external lighting and an upgrade road surface treatment to Percival Court, providing additional passive surveillance and ensuring a significant improvement in respect of appearance and safety over the existing condition.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Following the rejection of the previous scheme, a revised Planning Application has been submitted for 807 High Road.

Online Planning Services: Application search results

Scheme Changes
............ the design has been adjusted in response to comments raised by the Planning SubCommittee. The changes proposed by this application are:

▪ An additional point of access is included from the sole disabled parking space. This provides direct access into internal circulation areas from the covered/secured parking space.
▪ Inclusion of additional external lighting and an upgrade road surface treatment to Percival Court, providing additional passive surveillance and ensuring a significant improvement in respect of appearance and safety over the existing condition.

As I suggested:

If that is the sole ground for refusal, it sounds like either an appeal next, or a redesign and resubmission. Unless the site has insurmountable access problems, it sounds like a delay, rather than the project being cancelled.

The revised submission says that the previous version was refused because of committee members' concerns about disabled access and refuse collection arrangements, which had previously been agreed with the planning officers. They've tweaked those aspects of the design and resubmitted the same proposal.

The previous version had been recommended for approval by officers. If they refuse it a second time despite officer approval, the applicant is likely to appeal and the council will risk costs being awarded against them if they lose at appeal, which is what usually happens when they go against officer recommendations and then lose an appeal.

 

[Wine Gum]

Details of the current plans for the High Road West area https://www.highroadwest.london/-/media/cd8ff2ff73804cf4b264a266f05dae64.ashx

Home | High Road West & Love Lane Estate development in Tottenham, London

High Road West delivers much needed new high-quality homes including council homes, jobs, community facilities and green spaces.

www.highroadwest.london

 

[Yid121]

Details of the current plans for the High Road West area https://www.highroadwest.london/-/media/cd8ff2ff73804cf4b264a266f05dae64.ashx

Home | High Road West & Love Lane Estate development in Tottenham, London

High Road West delivers much needed new high-quality homes including council homes, jobs, community facilities and green spaces.

www.highroadwest.london

Much more direct route to WHL station by the looks of it?


Edit just went through the brochure, pretty well aligned with the stadium. More direct route with a public square to make it more open and the commercial part of the development so shops restaurants as part of that route. Should be good, quite looking forward to seeing it

 

[Wine Gum]

The plans however conflict with the Planning Consent that ENIC already have for the Goods Yard + B&M sites they own.

 

[fridgemagnet]

The plans however conflict with the Planning Consent that ENIC already have for the Goods Yard + B&M sites they own.

So someones angling for an amendment?

 

[Yid121]

The plans however conflict with the Planning Consent that ENIC already have for the Goods Yard + B&M sites they own.

How does that actually negate us? I thought Spurs' plans for those areas were too far from the stadium to have an impact on the match day experience?

 

[DCSPUR64]

I wonder what happened to the flats and hotel by the South Stand?

 

[Wine Gum]

How does that actually negate us? I thought Spurs' plans for those areas were too far from the stadium to have an impact on the match day experience?

That wasn’t my point. ENIC have planning consent themselves and own several sites in are HRW designated area and Haringey are pursuing their own plans.

 

[Wine Gum]

I wonder what happened to the flats and hotel by the South Stand?

Currently on hold as the economic climate is right.

 

[spursfan77]

So someones angling for an amendment?

Or it’s just ineptitud?

 

[Wine Gum]

It has been reported in Haringey Planning Meetings minutes that there have been pre application discussions about a revised scheme for the Goods Yard & B&M sites so maybe this is related to the scheme published by Haringey themselves.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The club wasn't going to wait to obtain planning consent for its sites until Haringey had ground its through the lengthy consultative period for the regeneration scheme. Aside from gently increasing its leverage in any negotiation that follows, securing planning consent greatly increases the land value, thus increasing its use as security for loans.

It will be a negotiation between Haringey and THFC. They're both working to try to regenerate the area and they have many common aims. It is within Haringey's ability to issue its own planning consents for the regeneration scheme to make it difficult for THFC to develop its sites to their maximum value. But they won't try until attempts to reach common approach have been exhausted. The same applies the other way around. They'll sit down and try to work out alternative schemes for THFC's sites that fit into the regeneration scheme, or they could even do a land swap.

Loads of options before they get into adversarial approaches.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

It has been reported in Haringey Planning Meetings minutes that there have been pre application discussions about a revised scheme for the Goods Yard site so maybe this is related to the scheme published by Haringey themselves.

Snap.

Great minds

 

[Wine Gum]

The Section 106 Agreement has now been signed for the 798-808 High Road Northern Terrace Redevelopment.

http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=1503854

 

[Wine Gum]

New proposals for the High Road West area https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/media/37871/1-goodsyarda1boards.pdf

Future Plans | Passionate about Tottenham

Find out more about Tottenham Hotspur's regeneration project making an impact by delivering homes, schools and community facilities in Tottenham.

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

 

[Wine Gum]

 

[Wine Gum]

The reasons given in the Refusal Notice for the Planning Application covering 807 High Road.

The proposed development, by way of its access arrangements for future residents; in particular wheelchair users, and its refuse collection arrangements, would fail to provide a high quality, safe and accessible environment for future occupiers, nor provide for accessible and appropriate waste and recycling collection. This would result in an unacceptable quality of housing and an unacceptable detrimental effect on the amenities of the area and be contrary to policy SP2 of the Haringey Strategic Policies (March 2013) and policies DM1, DM2, DM4 and DM33 of the Haringey Development Management DPD (July 2017) and policy 7.2 of the London Plan (March 2016).

The revised Planning Application was approved at Monday's planning meeting.

 

[Wine Gum]

High Road West area Future Plans website portal

Future Plans | Passionate about Tottenham

Find out more about Tottenham Hotspur's regeneration project making an impact by delivering homes, schools and community facilities in Tottenham.

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

 

[buckley]

In my youth I lived near Finsbury Park and even then in 1951 Tottenham was a bit of a dump . I later on moved to Fulham and when going in the 50s and 60s to spurs I used to think " it never was that great but is going further downhill " and so nothing changed over the years .
I do think that the work that Levy and Spurs have done on behalf of the area means that there is the roots of improvement of course much more needs doing but my question is as a layman from the outside it looks like the council do not seem to be in the spurs corner for some of the new builds they want to undertake . Not withstanding they must take due dillegance when allowing planning permission it just from the outside seems like they can do with all the help they can get even if it is from Levy/ Spurs .
Complete layman's view nevertheless its how I see it . Probably completely wrong never mind .