The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[CoopsieDeadpool]

The thing is, Edwards is a top talent but he has yet to be a U21 regular but because people have that hype for him they are suggesting this meanwhile Pritchard has done what has been asked of him and still wont be given a chance

You have a player who was in the championship team of the year and yet still wont be given a chance, that is crazy

I get your point, beats. The thing is, is it just hype when it comes to Edwards? I've never seen the lad play, but, apparently, he has been very closely followed/monitored by some of the biggest/richest clubs in the world?

Is it just hype that makes that happen?

 

[EQP]

The thing is, Edwards is a top talent but he has yet to be a U21 regular but because people have that hype for him they are suggesting this meanwhile Pritchard has done what has been asked of him and still wont be given a chance

You have a player who was in the championship team of the year and yet still wont be given a chance, that is crazy

I agree, i was and still am pulling for Pritch to make it with us. If Poch fully believes that selling Alex and promoting Marcus (or buying N'Kodou) will benefit the team long term then i'll but into his vision begrudgingly. Here's hoping that his departure is not a foregone conclusion and that the trip to Australia helps him finally break into the team.

 

[beats1]

he wasn't signed with the (then) current season in mind anyway

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2798441/milos-veljkovic-leaves-tottenham-for-werder-bremen

TBF i was referring to Thfc saying he was ready.

Now at the moment the youth watchers are getting slated because they overrate youth players yet its ignorant to lump everyone as one opinion

Everyone has different opinions, if anything someone like Pritchard is more highly rated by those who dont watch youth but saw his loans spells and saw something special

For instance:
@WindyCOYS doesnt rate Pritchard very highly yet as I said the non youth watchers do like those who saw him at brentford did, my opinion has always been he is the type of player who needs good players around him to thrive. Even in the little preseason cameo's its been mentioned Bentaleb has tried to find Pritchard several times and it helps they came through together at the same time.

@Bus-Conductor rates Lesniak whereas a lot dont rate him as high, my opinion has been as a limited DM role he has potential to be decent not a top top player though my opinion he is better than where he has been sent. I rather him league 1 or championship

I have had always had a soft spot for Amos and felt he is highly rated yet the coaches felt he was a player who isn't good enough always to beat lesniak for the DM yet despite that he is with the first team this preseason. I wouldn't call him a top talent

At the same time Grand Ward isn't highly rated by youth watchers yet half of this forum wanted him to be promoted this season to the first team

Now last season I wanted Fredericks to be promoted after a great season at middlesborough, instead of Trippier as I felt that was a waste of money. Now fredericka has had a poor season after off the field problems but at the same time Trippier hasnt been a great signing tbh.

I rate Oduwa as a raw talent but considering he is

Its funny how people on commenting on youth tend to get a slating when we are after a new player who isn't great signs. I saw one person comment that some people wanted Caulker here and thats clearly a case of youth watchers not knowing anything. Yet this player has since signed for Liverpool and Southampton if anything, his problems seem to be off the field. Meanwhile they overlook who we replaced him with, Chiriches and Fazio. Was that money spent well?

Now some of our ITK said they spoke to scouts havent heard of Onomah yet thought Edwards was very special, unless they went to U16 matches its hard to know how they know.

Also people overlook that it was apparently the likes of Kane, Bentaleb and Mason that stuck up for Poch.

Another point I have seen is how many players have we regretted that we let go in the last 10-15 years. Well this a stupid point by someone overlook that our academy had its revamp exactly 10 years ago.

If you ask youth watchers their issue its not been a case of we let go of our best players but a player should get a chance to prove themselves. No offence to Tom Carroll, he was given an opportunity to prove himself whilst someone like Pritchard hasnt. Then apparently some people are saying we overrate youth? The original plan by McDermott himself was that the best players would be given a chance when they are ready which was around 23 years old and now all of a sudden we should drop that.

Don't forget that signing cheap foreign players to fill the squad was part of the reason that got us in to the mess under AVB and Sherwood.

If sherwood never gave Bentaleb a chance people would say this is a player who was never good enough for crap academies in europe that we just took a punt on and failed with.

Meanwhile people have wanted united youth players after they were given a chance whilst they were the same posters laughing at them for having one of the worst academies last season and united trying to get the director of our academy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...der-youngsters-30-points-Manchester-City.html

Yet because of nostalgia and affiliation we overrate these players Ok guys. I remember posting here 5 years ago about Liam Brady who was angry at arsene and saying that tottenham were constantly beating them to the best players in london. Back then people didnt take that seriously, after Kane, Rose, Mason and etc. came through they started taking it seriously and this was apparently one of the best threads during a terrible time during the AVB era. Not to mention Brady also left for poor results.

We had a Chelsea youth watcher/coach come on this forum and say that the best group of players he has seen is the tottenham academy that was the U14s back then and have just signed for the U18s this season. Yet people wouldn't even know who these guys are

There is this opinion that the youth coaches clearly dont rate these guys as they aren't getting a chance but I know that there have been disagreements between the different coaches but what do they know.

I get your point, beats. The thing is, is it just hype when it comes to Edwards? I've never seen the lad play, but, apparently, he has been very closely followed/monitored by some of the biggest/richest clubs in the world?

Is it just hype that makes that happen?

Really?

Biggest clubs in the world. I have seen one link to barcelona? That spanish article which was then quoted by Bleacher report and HITC. That original article also mentioned a lot of other youth players from all over europe that barca were apparently looking at.

Don't get me wrong he is one of the most talented players the academy has produced if not the most talented but he is overhyped by people who have never seen him.

Also those clubs you talk off, do you mean like Liverpool?
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...nap-up-tottenhams-alex-pritchard-8467157.html

Or like Man City and Chelsea?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...ams-liverpool-chelsea-transfer-target-6110497
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ers-burst-team-scene-hasn-t-disappointed.html

As I said above a poster who is a chelsea youth watcher/coach considered a group of players who nobody knows about as our best group of players years before some of the spurs youth watchers had seen them and listed Kirby and TOB as the best players he has seen at that age. Yet apparently we overrate everyone else except Edwards

 

[Blake Griffin]

Really?

Biggest clubs in the world. I have seen one link to barcelona? That spanish article which was then quoted by Bleacher report and HITC. That original article also mentioned a lot of other youth players from all over europe that barca were apparently looking at.

if i recall correctly edwards was one of two european players on the list, along with some south americans. we've heard from @BC11 and @Breezer about man city/arsenal/madrid and i think bayern having all tried to take him at some point or at least sniffed around, all of these things contribute to the more widespread hype he's received. i remember during the u17 euros and world cup he was the centre of attention amongst the commentators, even when he wasn't playing they kept talking about him saying how he's on another level compared to his teammates etc so it's not like it's just spurs youth fans hyping him.

i don't think his talent is overhyped but as a 17 year old who hasn't even started an u21 game yet he does have a disproportionately high level of attention/interest, which probably isn't a good thing.

 

[beats1]

if i recall correctly edwards was one of two european players on the list, along with some south americans. we've heard from @BC11 and @Breezer about man city/arsenal/madrid and i think bayern having all tried to take him at some point or at least sniffed around, all of these things contribute to the more widespread hype he's received. i remember during the u17 euros and world cup he was the centre of attention amongst the commentators, even when he wasn't playing they kept talking about him saying how he's on another level compared to his teammates etc so it's not like it's just spurs youth fans hyping him.

i don't think his talent is overhyped but as a 17 year old who hasn't even started an u21 game yet he does have a disproportionately high level of attention/interest, which probably isn't a good thing.

As I said I think that he is overhyped by people who havent seen him. I did also say he is probably the most talented player we had however that U17 team was shit lets be brutally honest.

It was missing a lot of players and the players that did play were terrible it also made no sense how Edwards was dropped iirc

I cant remember exactly who but the world cup team was missing but of the top of my head it was Dhanda, Oxford and several others in CM. Not to mention the striking choices were a joke.

The point is Edwards isn't overrated by those that have seen him but he is overrated by people who have never seen him yet are the same people to shoot down other youth players based on what exactly?

Fair enough it takes no genius to see that Edwards is better than someone like Miller and Pritchard at the same age but dont overlook the fact there are other players who has to try and emulate to get in to the first team.

As for that article it was several different players mate that included Marcus edwards, arsenal player Jeff Reine Adelaide, Malaga Kuki Zalazar, PSG's Odsonne Edouard, Columbian Jhon Arango, Columbian John Janer Lucumí, Uruguayan Nicolás Schiappacasse, Chile's Pablo Ruiz and Paraguay's Sergio Diaz

Actually the original article never stated edwards but had a quotations section on the left saying that Edwards and Zalazar are other European Jewels

Here is the original
http://bolavip.com/177203/video-bar...sonne-edouard-jeff-reine-adelaide-john-arango

 

[Breezer]

if i recall correctly edwards was one of two european players on the list, along with some south americans. we've heard from @BC11 and @Breezer about man city/arsenal/madrid and i think bayern having all tried to take him at some point or at least sniffed around, all of these things contribute to the more widespread hype he's received. i remember during the u17 euros and world cup he was the centre of attention amongst the commentators, even when he wasn't playing they kept talking about him saying how he's on another level compared to his teammates etc so it's not like it's just spurs youth fans hyping him.

i don't think his talent is overhyped but as a 17 year old who hasn't even started an u21 game yet he does have a disproportionately high level of attention/interest, which probably isn't a good thing.

Barca are still keeping tabs and more recently Chelsea offered a silly amount. So people who say Marcus or his dad are all about the money couldn't be more wrong.

 

[spursfan77]

can't believe we haven't sorted out a loan for winks yet, are we seriously going to keep him around doing nothing for another season? he needs to be getting 50 games a year, he probably won't even manage 50 minutes here. have similar fears for kwp and onomah too but guess the euros have gotten in the way a bit.

I said the same in the nkoudou thread in the transfers section and got a few disagrees which I thought strange. These guys need to be playing matches. Onomah in the England games I've seen this week looks like he's too comfortable playing youth football and it's affecting his game. He needs to be challenged playing professional football now.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

I said the same in the nkoudou thread in the transfers section and got a few disagrees which I thought strange. These guys need to be playing matches. Onomah in the England games I've seen this week looks like he's too comfortable playing youth football and it's affecting his game. He needs to be challenged playing professional football now.

nah people want fancy names instead of "harry", "ryan", "alex" etc.
such as the one gave a dislike lol

 

[Mandy Dingle]

Onomah and KWP starting for England U-19's on Eurosport @ 11am today.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

England ‏@England 4m4 minutes ago
10: GOAL! The #YoungLions have another goal as @KyleLPeters doubles the #U19Euro lead over Croatia.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

England ‏@England 4m4 minutes ago
10: GOAL! The #YoungLions have another goal as @KyleLPeters doubles the #U19Euro lead over Croatia.

It was definitely an own goal

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 6m6 minutes ago
KWP started at RW, moved to CAM after half-time, then played RB for a few minutes & finished the game at LB.

 

[degoose]

looks like KWP played a bit all over the place today, started at right wing i think, i'm sure he was in midfield at one point and then ended up at left back.

 

[Spursidol]

Tottenham Academy‏@thfcacademy
The first-team play Rotherham United on July 21st too.

Hmm, can see this will be tight timing !

I'd expect Spurs England and Belgium players to be back in the next day or two but not really match fit for the Rotheram game, so I'd guess we'll have mainly a similar squad to the previous behind closed doors freindlies with maybe some of our returning stars getting some early minutes.

The squad may well be flying off on Thursday/Friday after the match to go to Australia (first match Tuesday 26 v Juventus) and given the lack of match fitness for many of the first team, I'd expect McGee, Glover, Ogilvie, Ball, Carter-Vickers, Winks, Ward, Edwards, Sterling & Harrison (10 of them and maybe one or two others) to travel as part of the first team squad.

The 12 first team players who have had the full pre-season training are :
Vorm, Trippier, Wanyama, Mason Bentaleb, Pitchard, Chadli, Son ,Janssen, plus Clinton and Eriksen (neither of whom have appeared in preseason matches as yet)

Plus of course the returning international players who other than Lamela who has been back for about a week, most of the others will have had only a few days pre-season training before the Juventus match

 

[Spursidol]

It was definitely an own goal

Kyle Walker-Peters‏@KyleLPeters
Buzzing to beat Croatia 2-1, it was my goal everyone

@England

Tottenham Hotspur‏@SpursOfficial
.@KyleLPeters & @Joshuaonomah10 help @England to a 2-1 win v Croatia as they make it 3 wins from 3 at #U19Euro.pic.twitter.com/StcymEmoJc

Luke McGee‏@Lukemcgee1
Luke McGee Retweeted England
Tap in surely!

https://twitter.com/england/status/754982014802071552…
Luke McGee added,

England @England
10: GOAL! The #YoungLions have another goal as @KyleLPeters doubles the #U19Euro lead over Croatia. pic.twitter.com/XUA01SEacn

Or was it an own goal ?!

Either way England u19's v Italy on Thursday 21st.

 

[degoose]

it was definitely an own goal but he certainly celebrated like he got it.

 

[longtimespur]

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/josh-onomah-on-kyle-walker-peters-england-u19-croatia-180716/

 

[Blake Griffin]

josh played cm and looked so much more at home there, constantly picking the ball up off the defenders and building the play, showed good aggression and pressed high up at times like you see dier do. looked dead on his feet after 75-80 minutes though so still has a way to go stamina wise to play in a poch team consistently. kwp as mentioned played rw, #10, rb and lb and looked comfortable in all positions, definitely wasn't his goal though lol.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

josh played cm and looked so much more at home there, constantly picking the ball up off the defenders and building the play, showed good aggression and pressed high up at times like you see dier do. looked dead on his feet after 75-80 minutes though so still has a way to go stamina wise to play in a poch team consistently. kwp as mentioned played rw, #10, rb and lb and looked comfortable in all positions, definitely wasn't his goal though lol.

It's incredibly obvious that positionally, the player he's most like is Dembele. Perhaps he's only played further forward to give him less responsibility?

Think he has real potential at CM - much less convinced at 10

 

[DanielT]

I don't know what's in Poch's head but the kid is still young, I'm guessing he played him out of position last season purely to develop his overall footballing adaptability and ability