Ticket price shenanigans & Spurs.

[bomberH]

Afternoon.

I think this will become massive very soon. Even though I laughed a lot at Liverpool fans walking out and then losing 2 goals, the fact Dortmund staged a big protest in the same week means that it's only a matter of time before protests start everywhere, especially now the media have picked up on it more (no doubt thanks to Liverpool..........!)

There's been talk of all clubs walking out during a league game in the same weekend. If that was to happen, would you walk out on Spurs? Liverpool fans walked out on 77 as that was the highest priced ticket, but we can't walk out on the 175th minute so if all clubs agreed 70th, would you? The way we're playing this season and our best chance in years of winning the league - versus the more important long term problem of being priced out of going. Do you think Liverpool fans would've walked out if they were where we are? Would you risk fucking up a lead or destroying the atmosphere in what may be the only title winning team we'll see in our lifetime?

I genuinely despise the way Spurs have handled the loyalty points saga. It's affected me more than it has anyone else I know out of all my mates who go down the Lane. That's just a personal thing - I know others who say they have benefited slightly as they are 'new' fans. And with the stadium being built and ticket prices no doubt soaring, do you think they'll cap prices for the first season? Or raise them a few hundred quid?

^^ too serious.
Fucktit spunkwank.
That's better.

 

[riggi]

Ye but not against arsenal...if we're winning.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

No. Never walk out on a game. The players need the fans and its not them controlling ticket prices.

There must be better ways of showing protest.

 

[Gb160]

I normally leave at around 70 mins just to piss off the real fans.

 

[Insomnia]

No. Never walk out on a game. The players need them and its not them controlling ticket prices.

There must be better ways of showing protest.

I liked the tennis ball protest they did this week in Germany, clever

 

[TaoistMonkey]

I liked the tennis ball protest they did this week in Germany, clever

I don't think we should interfere at all with what's going on on the pitch. I'm already nervous enough without adding to it

 

[NickHSpurs]

I personally wouldn't, I know it's backwards logic but I paid a lot of money for my season ticket so I'm not going to walk out.

I also don't think the prices where I sit in North Lower are that bad for the Prem, it works out around £40 a game I think. You'd pay at least that to go and see popular comedians/bands/theatre productions and that's normally for similar amount of time as a football match.

 

[tototoner]

ENIC aren't building a new stadium to get more genuine fans in, it will be more "tourist fans" who can afford the increased prices to rake in money.

Reading in some places that the TV deal from next year will mean clubs will help up grass route support more, cannot see it myself, the game is all about profit

 

[tototoner]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35538047

Ticket price rises 'will mean more tourist fans taking selfies'

Stadiums will be filled with "tourists" waving "half and half scarves and taking selfies" if ticket prices rise further, warned Football Supporters' Federation chairman Malcolm Clarke.

Thousands of Liverpool fans walked out of Saturday's Premier League game against Sunderland at Anfield in protest at next season's prices, which include a £77 matchday ticket.

The FSF is meeting fans' groups to discuss further action, including a potential mass walkout across a weekend of Premier League fixtures.

Clarke said his organisation wants to make sure top-flight clubs "really do deliver some sort of a package" to help bring down the price of tickets.

Speaking to the BBC, he said clubs would "lose the atmosphere and link to the local community", with match-going supporters replaced by "foreign tourists with half and half scarves taking selfies of being in an English ground".

Clarke claims the money from the new £5.1bn television rights deal, which begins next season and guarantees the Premier League's bottom club £99m a year, means clubs could let every supporter into every home game free next season and still bring in the same revenue as this season.

BBC Sport's Price of Football study found two thirds of Premier League tickets were frozen or reduced in price in 2015, but there is increasing pressure for further reductions to follow.

To date, Arsenal, Crystal Palace, Manchester United, Norwich and Swansea have frozen season-ticket prices for 2016-17, while West Ham have reduced theirs for their move to the Olympic Stadium.

Eight other Premier League teams - Chelsea, Spurs, Manchester City, Leicester, Bournemouth, West Brom, Sunderland and Watford - told BBC Sport they will not announce prices until later this year. The rest are yet to respond.

"Until there is collective action from supporters then the Premier League will continue to ignore calls for reform on such issues as ownership, governance, regulation and ticket pricing," said Ian Stirling, the vice-chairman of Manchester United Supporters' Trust.

Tim Payton, from the Arsenal Supporters' Trust, said a boycott was "very difficult" for fans, who want to support their team.

But he added: "There comes a point when you really have to send a message.

"I think we've seen in the last few days that enough is enough for many football fans. It's time to share some of that money with fans and stop squeezing us until we can no longer support the team."

Payton said the issue was "particularly acute" at Arsenal, who had the highest-priced single matchday ticket in last year's Price of Football study at £97.

"If you look around, there aren't many 18, 19, 20 year-olds. Where's the future of the game?" said Payton.

"We think the sensible people at the Premier League understand that.

"They know TV pictures sell around the world because of our fans and our tribalism and we've just got to persuade some of the clubs now to start introducing price caps and to start to do more to help the fans keep going to the game that we love."

The majority of Premier League clubs voted in favour of capping away ticket prices at £30 in a secret ballot held during a meeting last week, said Clarke.

However, the proposal needed the backing of 14 clubs to be implemented and it failed to generate enough support.

The clubs will reconvene in March to discuss the issue again.

Premier League director of communications Dan Johnson told BBC Radio 5 live there was an "absolute unanimity of purpose" to help away fans, but "no consensus as yet what form that might take".

He added: "There's still lots of ideas in play.

"We're working on it, clubs are working on it and there will be something meaningful and substantial in place for the start of next season."

 

[wadewill]

No way. i think its overpriced, as i think does every one. But affecting the team is a stupid thing to do. would be very happy for a league wide protest....if we were away

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I'm kind of already walking out buy purchasing fewer tickets and less merchandise than before, and I never buy anything, not even a beer, on match days. Take the replica kits. What it is, it's a sports shirt with some logos on. That's it. Anything above 30 pounds is absurd. So I spend less money in total than before, because that seems to be what the club directors want me to do.
"Hi guys, we make so much money from TV deals now, that we kind of want you sitting at a pub watching to the big screens".

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I wouldn't. I'm not going to choose to pay for a product, whatever it is, knowing its overpriced even, and then protest about it in a way which will harm the thing I love. Fact is, there's huge demand and limited supply, I know how much my season ticket is and I choose to pay for it each year (sacrificing other things to do so). If I feel that I no longer want to spend that kind of money to watch spurs, I'll stop paying and leave it at that.

 

[riggi]

Most spursy thing ever for our fans to walk out and then the team lose to miss out on the title

 

[Shanks]

Most spursy thing ever for our fans to walk out and then the team loose to miss out on the title

We're not allowed to use the term you used above, anymore...

;-)

 

[riggi]

We're not allowed to use the term you used above, anymore...

;-)

@thinktank doesn't rule me!

 

[Gb160]

IMO the Liverpool protest wasn't exclusively about ticket prices...they've only gone up fractionally from the reports I've read.
I think it's more to do with the ownership, that "turning fans into customers" fuckup, poor player dealings, and their shite position in the league.
Ask yourself this....do u think they'd have walked out if they were in ours or Leicesters position in the league?...cos I very much doubt it.

 

[Borks]

Was going to write a long post as I have quite a lot of thoughts on the issue but reading the post above from @BringBack_leGin made me realise that it's all down to what the club wants. They claim to do everything they can to maximise the atmosphere but by raising the ticket prices to a level where the average man is priced out, one by one they will be replaced by day tourists who can afford the one-off expense but won't create a decent atmosphere. If you compare the atmosphere at the lane now to when I started properly going 4-6 years ago, it's atrocious, even in the south stand. At what point do we get to an irreversible stage?

Fans are left with a bit of a dilemma; I'm sure many want to give up their ST because of the cost but feel that they can't because they see a 50,000 person waiting list after that seat of theirs. The Bayern Munich chairman hit the nail on the head with his quote that I'm sure you've all read; they don't milk the fans, the added income from expensive tickets would mean far less to them as a club than it does to the fans but unfortunately for us, we seem to just accept being taken from behind at every opportunity.

I'd love to see ticket prices being made affordable (given the travel/food/drink costs) but what can I or you do as one man/woman? Very little, and as a result, I'm that sucker that forks out for overpriced tickets multiple times a year because I know if I don't then someone else will. There are too many with the attitude of (no offence to the poster above) "I paid a lot of money for this ticket, I'm not walking out early" and the short-term attitude that comes with that will see us paying a vast sum more than the rest of Europe for the indefinite period. Fair fucking play to the Liverpool fans, this needs to be a collective effort and I for one would back something similar at Spurs.

 

[CowInAComa]

Afternoon.

I think this will become massive very soon. Even though I laughed a lot at Liverpool fans walking out and then losing 2 goals, the fact Dortmund staged a big protest in the same week means that it's only a matter of time before protests start everywhere, especially now the media have picked up on it more (no doubt thanks to Liverpool..........!)

There's been talk of all clubs walking out during a league game in the same weekend. If that was to happen, would you walk out on Spurs? Liverpool fans walked out on 77 as that was the highest priced ticket, but we can't walk out on the 175th minute so if all clubs agreed 70th, would you? The way we're playing this season and our best chance in years of winning the league - versus the more important long term problem of being priced out of going. Do you think Liverpool fans would've walked out if they were where we are? Would you risk fucking up a lead or destroying the atmosphere in what may be the only title winning team we'll see in our lifetime?

I genuinely despise the way Spurs have handled the loyalty points saga. It's affected me more than it has anyone else I know out of all my mates who go down the Lane. That's just a personal thing - I know others who say they have benefited slightly as they are 'new' fans. And with the stadium being built and ticket prices no doubt soaring, do you think they'll cap prices for the first season? Or raise them a few hundred quid?

^^ too serious.
Fucktit spunkwank.
That's better.

Not this season.

First game of next.

 

[MattyP]

Spurs haven't even announced their ticket prices for next year. One could argue that by protesting now could have an effect on any decision on ticket prices, but I think that would be a naive approach.

Potentially our last season at WHL will draw a lot of people to the ground, so it is a simple case of supply and demand. I suspect they could raise the ticket prices by £5 a game and would still sell out all games, given what's coming in terms of Wembley/MK/A.N.Other.

Personally I wouldn't walk out. I agree that footie tickets are too expensive, but so is beer, smokes, prostitutes. No one forces me (or forced me) to partake in any of them so if I want to do so then I need to find the money. I know it's not that simple and people will be priced out of the game so something should be done, but me walking out will have little impact on this. It's an industry problem, not a problem unique to Tottenham.

I also hold mixed emotions about the whole cheaper tickets for away fans thing. Why should one set of fans pay less to see the same thing but I have to pay more. I get the children and OAP argument.

 

[Gassin's finest]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35538047

Ticket price rises 'will mean more tourist fans taking selfies'

Stadiums will be filled with "tourists" waving "half and half scarves and taking selfies" if ticket prices rise further, warned Football Supporters' Federation chairman Malcolm Clarke.

Thousands of Liverpool fans walked out of Saturday's Premier League game against Sunderland at Anfield in protest at next season's prices, which include a £77 matchday ticket.

The FSF is meeting fans' groups to discuss further action, including a potential mass walkout across a weekend of Premier League fixtures.

Clarke said his organisation wants to make sure top-flight clubs "really do deliver some sort of a package" to help bring down the price of tickets.

Speaking to the BBC, he said clubs would "lose the atmosphere and link to the local community", with match-going supporters replaced by "foreign tourists with half and half scarves taking selfies of being in an English ground".

Clarke claims the money from the new £5.1bn television rights deal, which begins next season and guarantees the Premier League's bottom club £99m a year, means clubs could let every supporter into every home game free next season and still bring in the same revenue as this season.

BBC Sport's Price of Football study found two thirds of Premier League tickets were frozen or reduced in price in 2015, but there is increasing pressure for further reductions to follow.

To date, Arsenal, Crystal Palace, Manchester United, Norwich and Swansea have frozen season-ticket prices for 2016-17, while West Ham have reduced theirs for their move to the Olympic Stadium.

Eight other Premier League teams - Chelsea, Spurs, Manchester City, Leicester, Bournemouth, West Brom, Sunderland and Watford - told BBC Sport they will not announce prices until later this year. The rest are yet to respond.

"Until there is collective action from supporters then the Premier League will continue to ignore calls for reform on such issues as ownership, governance, regulation and ticket pricing," said Ian Stirling, the vice-chairman of Manchester United Supporters' Trust.

Tim Payton, from the Arsenal Supporters' Trust, said a boycott was "very difficult" for fans, who want to support their team.

But he added: "There comes a point when you really have to send a message.

"I think we've seen in the last few days that enough is enough for many football fans. It's time to share some of that money with fans and stop squeezing us until we can no longer support the team."

Payton said the issue was "particularly acute" at Arsenal, who had the highest-priced single matchday ticket in last year's Price of Football study at £97.

"If you look around, there aren't many 18, 19, 20 year-olds. Where's the future of the game?" said Payton.

"We think the sensible people at the Premier League understand that.

"They know TV pictures sell around the world because of our fans and our tribalism and we've just got to persuade some of the clubs now to start introducing price caps and to start to do more to help the fans keep going to the game that we love."

The majority of Premier League clubs voted in favour of capping away ticket prices at £30 in a secret ballot held during a meeting last week, said Clarke.

However, the proposal needed the backing of 14 clubs to be implemented and it failed to generate enough support.

The clubs will reconvene in March to discuss the issue again.

Premier League director of communications Dan Johnson told BBC Radio 5 live there was an "absolute unanimity of purpose" to help away fans, but "no consensus as yet what form that might take".

He added: "There's still lots of ideas in play.

"We're working on it, clubs are working on it and there will be something meaningful and substantial in place for the start of next season."

Get loads of this already... The last FA Cup tie I had two Leicester fans in the East Upper waving a selfie stick around. Bell ends.

Regarding a protest without effecting the match... just have someone in the west stand slip a whoopie cushion on Levy's seat before the game, with a suitable message written on it; "drop the prices or the next one is filled with Bovril!!"

Hilarity will ensue, and a point will be made.