Tottenham Squad 2022/23

[spids]

Will be interesting to see how Devine does in pre season. We could just keep him with the squad as a home grown rather than pay over the odds on another.

He won't count towards the home grown in the squad for another 4 years as he is only 17. Players under 21 on the 1st January the year the season starts are 'free' from a squad perspective. In the CL he would be on our B list (which we can name 24 hours before each game).

45.11 - A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 2001 and since his 15th birthday has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

James Justin at Leicester would be an option? Plays Right and Left back.

Nice player but they’re not letting him go if guess

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Yes, decent players, with giant price tags - that’s the issue.

Idiotic that we didn’t pull the trigger for the likes of Olise and/or Bowen.

In the absence of good HG first team players available, I think we should try to either give a chance to some of our kids or pad the squad out with good youngsters from elsewhere - there’s got to be some around that we can get.

Otherwise we risk paying over the odds. The English premium really isn’t very helpful to anyone

Eze too

 

[Scot-Spur]

Nice player but they’re not letting him go if guess

Yea I would agree, tbh not that many good HG players around that wouldn’t cost a fortune.

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

Paratici's signings so far ain't a bad XI. Go back to the 30s and play a W-M formation with this lot.

Forster
Romero Lenglet(probably)
Emerson Sarr Bissouma Bentancur Perisic
Kulusevski Richarlison Gil

Bit of a problem.
From the mid 1920's you had a "stopper centre half", started by Charlie Roberts of Arsenal, essentially a centre back, to add to defensive stability after the offside law change from 3 to 2 defenders between the receiving attacker and the goal. Prior to that the centre half played alongside the right half and left half in midfield (hence the name). So the formation changed from 2-3-5 to 3-2-5. The forward line was outside right, inside right, centre forward, inside left and outside left. As the the thirties progressed one of the inside forwards gradually tended to drop back to become a "midfield schemer" (the inside left if your schemer was left-footed and inside right if he was right footed), so the the system developed into a 3-2-1-4 or 3-3-4. The WM formation came to prominence in the 1950's when teams such as Wolves were very successful with the emphasis on long balls out to flying wingers (anathema to Tottenham's style of push-and-run), and other forwards arriving late to meet the wingers' crosses. It seems to me to be mis-named because it suggests a 2-3-3-2, and attacking centre halves had disappeared 30-odd years earlier).
I've never seen a 2-5-3 formation in my life, although it wouldn't take much conservatism to move the wing-backs to full-back to become a 4-3-3, which was Ramsey's "wingless wonders" in 1966. This in itself had developed from Brazil's 1958 World-Cup winning 4-2-4 style, which itself later became more defensively compact with the wingers having more defensive duties in a 4-4-2.
But you've certainly fitted in Paratici's signings to date!

 

[N17-77]

Spence is definitely being targeted in large part because he's Association Trained (UEFA parlance) and Home-Grown. Without Spence, if we keep Doh/Royal, we'd need to look for opportunities for AT/HG elsewhere, looking at the maths.

As said before, the three Ds cost us (Dier, Davies, Doherty) since they're Non-Association Trained for European competitions. That's the limiter, rather than Premier League.

Devine and Scarlett help as they'll be eligible for the B-list for CL and U21 for PL. Gil and Sarr won't count for B-list though.

In short, one or more of our senior signings (beyond Forster) needs to be Association Trained (for CL).

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Spence is definitely being targeted in large part because he's Association Trained (UEFA parlance) and Home-Grown. Without Spence, if we keep Doh/Royal, we'd need to look for opportunities for AT/HG elsewhere, looking at the maths.

As said before, the three Ds cost us (Dier, Davies, Doherty) since they're Non-Association Trained for European competitions. That's the limiter, rather than Premier League.

Devine and Scarlett help as they'll be eligible for the B-list for CL and U21 for PL. Gil and Sarr won't count for B-list though.

In short, one or more of our senior signings (beyond Forster) needs to be Association Trained (for CL).

Agreed but also his physical qualities, scope to develop further and his clear tenacity make him a fantastic player to mould into what we are ultimately after.

He has all the tools to become a powerhouse. I love the look of him, a proper unit.

Doherty starts as number 1 at RB for me but I think Doherty under Conte will thrive and be right in there amongst the goals and assists.

We'll collectively be set up very well come August

 

[spids]

Champions League:

• Submit two lists of players - A/B
• Squad of 25
• Minimum of 8 locally trained players
  • Club-trained players on a club's books for three years (interrupted or not) between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)
  • Association-trained players on another club's books (as above) No more than four association-trained players on locally trained list
• B List - if born on, or after, 1 January 2001 and with the club for 2 uninterrupted seasons.

Over All: 27/25
Locally trained: 8

Club Trained: 5	Association-trained: 3	A List: 22	B List
Kane	Sessegnon	Lloris
Winks	Clarke	Reguilon
Tanganga	Forster	Romero
Austin		Hojbjerg
Skipp		Sanchez
		Davies
		Rodon
		Son
		Royal
		Dier
		Kulusevski
		Bergwijn
		Moura
		Bentacur
		Perisic
		Lo Celso
		Ndombele
		Doherty Sarr Gil Bissouma Richarlison

If i have missed someone, or someone is in the wrong list let me know.

@chrissivad - Maybe I am reading it wrong but I am not sure your CL "A List" makes sense at the moment... The CL "A List" can only have 17 non-locally trained players and also has to include at least 2 GKs (So Forster needs to appear in it).

No club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season. As a minimum, eight places are reserved exclusively for "locally trained players" and no club may have more than four "association-trained players" listed in these eight places on List A.

It might make more sense to have columns for:

• A-List Players:
  • Locally Trained:
    • Club Trained
    • Association Trained
  • Non-Locally Trained,

E.g. Based on the table below, if we sell Winks and Clarke we will need two more Locally trained players to have a squad of 25 A-List Players. We also need to offload players in addition to Ndomble, Lo Celso, Sarr (loan?), and Gil (loan?) if we want to add any further Non-Locally Trained players in our A-List.

A-List Players:

Locally (Club) Trained (5 - allowed unlimited)	Locally (Association) Trained (3 - allowed 4)	Non-Locally Trained (21 - allowed 17)
Skipp	Forster	Lloris
Kane	Sessegnon	Doherty
Winks	Clarke	Emerson
Tanganga		Romero
Austin		Dier
		Davies
		Rodon
		Sanchez
		Reguilon
		Perisic
		Højbjerg
		Bissouma
		Bentancur
		Kulusevski
		Moura
		Son
		Richarlison
		Ndombele
		Lo Celso
		Gil
		Sarr

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

@chrissivad - Maybe I am reading it wrong but I am not sure your CL "A List" makes sense at the moment... The CL "A List" can only have 17 non-locally trained players and also has to include at least 2 GKs (So Forster needs to appear in it).

No club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season. As a minimum, eight places are reserved exclusively for "locally trained players" and no club may have more than four "association-trained players" listed in these eight places on List A.

It might make more sense to have columns for:

• A-List Players:
  • Locally Trained:
    • Club Trained
    • Association Trained
  • Non-Locally Trained,

E.g. Based on the table below, if we sell Winks and Clarke we will need two more Locally trained players to have a squad of 25 A-List Players. We also need to offload players in addition to Ndomble, Lo Celso, Sarr (loan?), and Gil (loan?) if we want to add any further Non-Locally Trained players in our A-List.

A-List Players:

Locally Trained	Locally Trained	Non-Locally Trained (21 - allowed 17)
(Club Trained 5 - allowed 25)	(Association Trained 3 - allowed 4)	Lloris
Kane	Sessegnon	Doherty
Winks	Clarke	Emerson
Tanganga	Forster	Romero
Austin		Dier
Skipp		Davies
		Rodon
		Sanchez
		Reguilon
		Perisic
		Højbjerg
		Bissouma
		Bentancur
		Kulusevski
		Moura
		Son
		Richarlison
		Ndombele
		Lo Celso
		Gil
		Sarr

Forster does not need to be included in the 17 non-HG list

A List is limited to a max of 25, and it must include 2 GK. B List is for underage players (but they have to be at the club for 2 years)

 

[chrissivad]

@spids the column title a list is probably a poor choice on my part.

The a list is 25 in total.
At least 2 have to be keepers
And 8 places for locally trained (max of 4 association trained players)

Forster will be on the a list, but as association trained (unless we end up with more than 4) along with Sessegnon.
Kane, Skipp and Austin will be on the A list but will take up 3 of the 4 club trained positions.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

@chrissivad - Maybe I am reading it wrong but I am not sure your CL "A List" makes sense at the moment... The CL "A List" can only have 17 non-locally trained players and also has to include at least 2 GKs (So Forster needs to appear in it).

No club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season. As a minimum, eight places are reserved exclusively for "locally trained players" and no club may have more than four "association-trained players" listed in these eight places on List A.

It might make more sense to have columns for:

• A-List Players:
  • Locally Trained:
    • Club Trained
    • Association Trained
  • Non-Locally Trained,

E.g. Based on the table below, if we sell Winks and Clarke we will need two more Locally trained players to have a squad of 25 A-List Players. We also need to offload players in addition to Ndomble, Lo Celso, Sarr (loan?), and Gil (loan?) if we want to add any further Non-Locally Trained players in our A-List.

A-List Players:

Locally Trained	Locally Trained	Non-Locally Trained (21 - allowed 17)
(Club Trained 5 - allowed 25)	(Association Trained 3 - allowed 4)	Lloris
Kane	Sessegnon	Doherty
Winks	Clarke	Emerson
Tanganga	Forster	Romero
Austin		Dier
Skipp		Davies
		Rodon
		Sanchez
		Reguilon
		Perisic
		Højbjerg
		Bissouma
		Bentancur
		Kulusevski
		Moura
		Son
		Richarlison
		Ndombele
		Lo Celso
		Gil
		Sarr

HG rules aside, I don't see 25 players listed who Conte would want to include in his CL squad.

If Austin, Clarke and those in red are omitted, we're only left with 23 players. That still includes multiple players who could be on their way out (Winks, Doherty/Emerson, Reguilon, Rodon/Sanchez/Tanganga), so our squad is actually looking a little light if we don't sign more than 1x CB and 1x RWB. I know we have academy players too, but I can't see any being in Conte's plans for 2022-23.

 

[spids]

Forster does not need to be included in the 17 non-HG list

A List is limited to a max of 25, and it must include 2 GK. B List is for underage players (but they have to be at the club for 2 years)

I did not say he did - You have mis-read / misunderstood what I wrote. To break it down ...

• The A-List can be maximum 25 players.
• It must have 2 x GKs on it (so Forster has to be included)
• It can only have 17 Non-Locally Trained players

The OP's table was misleading as it had a column named "A-List" which contained 22 Non-Locally Trained players. The A-List includes Locally trained and Non-locally trained players

 

[spids]

@spids the column title a list is probably a poor choice on my part.

I know - that is why I pointed it out to you - it is misleading and incorrect.

The a list is 25 in total.
At least 2 have to be keepers
And 8 places for locally trained (max of 4 association trained players)

Forster will be on the a list, but as association trained (unless we end up with more than 4) along with Sessegnon.
Kane, Skipp and Austin will be on the A list but will take up 3 of the 4 club trained positions.

I know - that is exactly what I stated.

My table (which I suggest you adopt in the OP) is clearer and illustrates what will happen if we sell a locally trained player or want to buy another non-locally trained player.

 

[spids]

HG rules aside, I don't see 25 players listed who Conte would want to include in his CL squad.

If Austin, Clarke and those in red are omitted, we're only left with 23 players. That still includes multiple players who could be on their way out (Winks, Doherty/Emerson, Reguilon, Rodon/Sanchez/Tanganga), so our squad is actually looking a little light if we don't sign more than 1x CB and 1x RWB. I know we have academy players too, but I can't see any being in Conte's plans for 2022-23.

I can see what Conte / Paratici are doing, and we should expect quite a few departures e.g.

• Sell Reguilon.
• Sell Clarke.
• Sell Emerson.
• Sell Winks.
• Sell Ndombele.
• Sell Lo Celso.
• Loan Gil.
• Loan Sarr.
• Loan Rodon.

This would leave us with 6 Locally trained players and 13 non-locally trained players.

Meaning we could potentially buy 4 more non-locally trained players, and 2 more locally trained players (if we want a full squad of 25). I would expect a RWB, LCB and a creative midfielder. We could buy proven foreign players for these key positions with no real worries about home grown status.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I can see what Conte / Paratici are doing, and we should expect quite a few departures e.g.

• Sell Reguilon.
• Sell Clarke.
• Sell Emerson.
• Sell Winks.
• Sell Ndombele.
• Sell Lo Celso.
• Loan Gil.
• Loan Sarr.
• Loan Rodon.

This would leave us with 6 Locally trained players and 13 non-locally trained players.

Meaning we could potentially buy 4 more non-locally trained players, and 2 more locally trained players (if we want a full squad of 25). I would expect a RWB, LCB and a creative midfielder. We could buy proven foreign players for these key positions with no real worries about home grown status.

I agree with most of this - but I think Emerson stays.

But, the numbers make it clear that it will be difficult for Gil or Sarr to stick with the team this season.

 

[mil1lion]

Isn't the main issue the CL minimum of 8 HG? We have 8 listed in the OP, if we sell Winks, Clarke and Tanganga then we need to fill 3 more spaces. It would be good to see who in our academy fills the requirements (u21 and meeting either requirement for local or association trained). Otherwise we need to sign some to meet the minimum. It's really a juggling act over who is ready to step up and who needs to be loaned for game time.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Isn't the main issue the CL minimum of 8 HG?

There is no CL "Minimum"

Only requirement is 17 non-HG maximum.

A team could register no HG players, and be fine if they only register 17 non-HG.


ETA - there are a maximum of 25 players that can be on the A-list, and to get past 17, you can have a max of 4 Association Trained, and as many club-trained as you want until you reach the 25-player limit.

 

[mil1lion]

There is no CL "Minimum"

Only requirement is 17 non-HG maximum.

A team could register no HG players, and be fine if they only register 17 non-HG.

So the OP is wrong?

Champions League:

• Submit two lists of players - A/B
• Squad of 25
• Minimum of 8 locally trained players
  • Club-trained players on a club's books for three years (interrupted or not) between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)
  • Association-trained players on another club's books (as above) No more than four association-trained players on locally trained list
• B List - if born on, or after, 1 January 2001 and with the club for 2 uninterrupted seasons.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Who can be on List A?​

No club can have more than 25 players on List A during the season, of whom at least two must be goalkeepers.

As a minimum, eight of those 25 places are reserved exclusively for 'locally trained players'. If a club have fewer than eight locally trained players in their squad, then the maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly.

What's a 'locally trained player'?​

There are two categories:

1. Club-trained players players who were on a club's books for three years between the ages of 15 and 21.

2. Association-trained players players who were on another club's books in the same association for three years between the ages of 15 and 21. No club can have more than four association-trained players among their eight 'local' nominees on List A.

What is List B?​

A player may be registered on List B if he is born on, or after, 1 January 2000 and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with UEFA – or for a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be submitted if they have been registered with the club for the previous two years without interruption.

Clubs are entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B during the season, but the list needs to be submitted no later than 24:00 CET the day before a match.

Source: https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsl...oup-stage-squads-player-registration-deadlin/

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

So the OP is wrong?

Champions League:

• Submit two lists of players - A/B
• Squad of 25
• Minimum of 8 locally trained players
  • Club-trained players on a club's books for three years (interrupted or not) between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)
  • Association-trained players on another club's books (as above) No more than four association-trained players on locally trained list
• B List - if born on, or after, 1 January 2001 and with the club for 2 uninterrupted seasons.

"Wrong" as worded - but not in intent.

Start with this:
Max of 25

Max of 17 non-HG

4 Associaiton Trained - max (once you use up the initial 17 slots, you can use 4 more max on Association trained)

4 Club trained


IF you have 15 non-HG players, you can have 2 more locally trained players to reach the 25-pleyer limit.

If you have 2 Association Trained, you can add 6 Club Trained. (but if you have 2 Club trained, you cannot use 6 Association Trained).