Tottenham Takeover Talk

[Hotspur33]

I've been hearing this for 20 years At some point it's bedfellows, the grass isn't always greener on the other side and we don't want to do a Leeds usually follows.

Given the length of time people have been being 'careful what they wish for' I think taking that punt is all we have left.

IMO it's beware the bogeyman bilge. But if it works for you then fair play.

That’s fair enough. What happens to spurs won’t impact my daily life or financial position, so I understand why people want to roll the dice. For me as I’ve stated, I think Levy has been good for Spurs.

 

[haslemereyid]

I am not convinced that even if Conte was given a big wad to spend that we would improve greatly - his system isn’t bringing out the best in players - the money bags clubs are all on the whole investing in young players -doesn’t seem to be Contes bag - if I was an owner I wouldn’t give him the money knowing that chances are if the signings fail i am left with unsellable assets diminishing in value on high wages with a manager who probably will sail off into the sunset in the not too distant future.

 

[worcestersauce]

You could do the same for Arsenal's recent recruitment.

White - hit
Odegaard - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Jesus - hit
Zinchenko - hit
Vieria - tbc
Sambi - tbc

gendoozi - miss
Pepe - rubbish

 

[SA_Spurs]

(1) He hired a world class coach, backed him in January and in the summer. Majority of fans were excited by the summer transfer window, that, Spence aside, was largely left in the hands of highly respected DoF Paritici.

Yes, somewhat - backed him with what though? Knock down priced players? Our squad has been needed to be rebuilt from 2 seasons before we hit CL. final. He bought none of the players Poch needed, Mou wanted and now the same for Conte. There's no way Conte wanted Spence - but DL insisted to buy. How is that backing the manager? Its buying a player you deem to fit the squad but then turning around and saying "get rid of one of our RB's before you can buy" - utter nonsense if you ask me

(2) fair criticism, I wonder if he got a bit carried away with his reputation

(3) his job is to put the right football people in a position to succeed, he has hired serial winners in Mourinho and Conte recently, in his early tenure he adopted an unusual for the time DoF working method, which is largely the norm now.

That's ONLY one aspect of the job - a serial winning coach. What about serial winning players & back room staff - what about showing the players and the fans that you , as Chairman, are willing to go the extra mile to help the team succeed. I hate Chelsea but what Roman did there (please let's not talk about dirty money) is back every manager he hired - fully! Boehly is doing it again and whilst it's putting pressure on Potter, if he and fans stay patient Potter & Chelsea could do some special things with the squad they have over the coming seasons. Again, how would you be rated with this type of performance in your career with minimalistic support but sky high ambitions? Trophies and consistently winning games, competing for league titles etc is not just bragging rights, it breeds success & will increase commercial revenue from sponsorship, new fans, better partnerships. I'm not sure anyone wants to partner with a mediocre brand?

(4) how often do you hear from any chairman. I don’t want him being the face of club. I’ve not got a problem with that aspect. What is there to gain by listening to his opinion on why we lost to Arsenal

You missed the point - where's the vision? where's his assurance to fans and supporter clubs that the high ticket prices and lack of investment (players) is for a reason (whatever that is). He doesn't need to be the face, but he certainly needs to demonstrate he is captaining the entire ship that is THFC. If he is captain, he has fallen asleep at the wheel a long time ago. We will never compete with all the cash flush clubs at our rate of investment in the playing side.

as for the stadium, it’s barely been open and operational. And yet, spurs by all accounts are practically printing money already - even in match day revenue - never mind any other events at the stadium.

 

[septicsac]

Its a bit of a quandary, persist with the devil you know, who has had more than ample time and has failed to produce on the field achievements or get into bed with the devil that will leave you with a sour taste in your mouth, but likely increase your chances of silverware.
Personally I was all against "Oil money" and all it stands for, but for the past few years it has become blatantly obvious it is near impossible to compete without it. Still undecided, all I do know is I am sick of our current path under ENIC, we will win nothing under them and I have no faith in anything changing.
Why cant we find a nice billionaire who makes toffees or something, so we could have our cake and eat it?

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

That’s fair enough. What happens to spurs won’t impact my daily life or financial position, so I understand why people want to roll the dice. For me as I’ve stated, I think Levy has been good for Spurs.

I am going to guess - Josh Levy's account?

 

[daryl]

The one lesson Levy never learns is... rather than look at the fee or wages, look at quality of transfer.

Rewind 2016:
Southampton asked 35m for Mane with Mane wages of 90k a week. Inspite of meeting us first, we missed the boat & Liverpool did the deal.

Same window on deadline day, Levy panicked and got us Sissoko for 30m with 90k a week wages.

5 year on, Mane won PL, EFL cup, FA Cup, CL and moved at age 30 to Bayern for 27m. And Sissoko went on a free after winning nothing.

Plus we had the upper hand that year with poch just managing him at Southampton. I often look at that moment as the difference between us and Liverpool over the last 5-6 years. All ifs, buts, and maybes though unfortunately

 

[wspur]

I’ve worked on 2 - what do you want to know?

A deal like this is relatively straightforward and since you have the decision makers meeting face to face an agreement in principle could be reached over dinner, with about a week for the lawyers to work out the details.

The biggest issues here will likely be for QSI to decide where it wants to invest in the PL, and what the long term goals are for the investment.

If Levy has substantially overvalued the team, QSI will know that relatively quickly - as they will have seen the financials. So, if there is nothing to negotiate they will move on.

Fair enough but I think the issue might get more complicated when there are multiple bidders are involved - which A. Gold said it was the case. If QSI have a price already and everyone is happy it will be easier of course.

 

[Dakes]

A minority investment is not enough. I need levy, Lewis, Donna etc gone.

Yeah, we need to get shot of the whole echo chamber too

 

[eddiev14]

We should not underestimate how fucked we are. We are lacking in every single part of the pitch. Our GK of the last 10 years is finished, and a good replacement will likely cost a lot, and we will get little to nothing for Hugo in return. We need a new RWB, we pretty much have one good CB, two at most, and we need six solid CBs in a system with a back 3. At LWB we have to hope Udogie is the real deal. We are still far too reliant on Bentancur, with a general lack of any midfield creativity. Son may very well be finished as well (whilst Lucas definitely is), and our best player has just under 18 months left on his contract with no reason to re-sign.

We may be in a position where we're ever nowhere near CL for a long time or need to sign at least 10 players of quality. No fucking chance of the latter under ENIC, so the former is far more likely.

I can’t say I disagree but we had similar posts to this when AVB was in his final days as manager.

A solid plan and some investment could well turn this around. My issue is that, under this ownership, both are lacking.

 

[Yid121]

 

[DenverSpur]

The one thing I will say about Levy is there is no question he wants to win things. I know it sounds crazy doesn't it, but he does eat sleep and breath Tottenham. It's, imo at least, just that the accountant in him overrides all and every single decision he makes.

Completely agree about the accountant in him. Problem is while that works great for something like property development where it is relatively easy to calculate cost and projected ROI it much more difficult with something more abstract like cost against ROI when buying players and attempting to build a trophy winning team.

 

[legion]

gendoozi - miss
Pepe - rubbish

Both banished to the nether realms. They cut their losses and still act with ambition, meanwhile we have been hesitant to make big signings ever since Gio/Tanguy didn't work out

 

[jolsnogross]

So 'Doing an Everton' is the new 'doing a Leeds' ?
In all seriousness that's a bet I'm willing to take.

I think plenty of Spurs fans would take the bet too and prefer tp have a go like Leeds did. It's been a bit of a rollercoaster for them with plenty of low points, but they had a good go and an enjoyable journey back to the top table. And they are a good watch the whole time they've been back in the Premier League, even for comically bad defending at times.

I'm not sure it's possible to repeat what Everton are going through and it's a bit of an insult to Leeds to say Everton are the new version. Everton haven't had any tilt at glory and are just a sad shitshow.

Let's roll the dice

 

[jolsnogross]

The one lesson Levy never learns is... rather than look at the fee or wages, look at quality of transfer.

Rewind 2016:
Southampton asked 35m for Mane with Mane wages of 90k a week. Inspite of meeting us first, we missed the boat & Liverpool did the deal.

Same window on deadline day, Levy panicked and got us Sissoko for 30m with 90k a week wages.

5 year on, Mane won PL, EFL cup, FA Cup, CL and moved at age 30 to Bayern for 27m. And Sissoko went on a free after winning nothing.

Smashing post if the numbers are true. It's always boggled the mind that Mane was a potential incoming and we balked.

It's also funny that Poch got dogs abuse on here for insisting on getting the right top notch players in rather than settling for fill ins. A large majority on here was on that train. Poch was Mane's manager at Southampton and we balked.

 

[wallyjakeman]

I understand the supporters wanting Levy and ENIC out of the club, and agree with many of the points being made. I would welcome a change as well.
However, I am honestly a bit surprised that so many wants to see violators of human rights and oppressors of women, LGBTI and migrant workers take over.

I see many fans argue that it is the only way to win something in modern fotball. You could be right, I just wish we tried to change that instead of the club. I have spent 20 years telling Chelsea supporters that their trophies aint worth nothing (I would say the same to Man C supporters if I ever found one). I don’t want to be like them.
If I had to choose between QSI as owners and keeping ENIC and never winning again, I would honestly choose the latter. ?‍

 

[worcestersauce]

Plus we had the upper hand that year with poch just managing him at Southampton. I often look at that moment as the difference between us and Liverpool over the last 5-6 years. All ifs, buts, and maybes though unfortunately

Smashing post if the numbers are true. It's always boggled the mind that Mane was a potential incoming and we balked.

It's also funny that Poch got dogs abuse on here for insisting on getting the right top notch players in rather than settling for fill ins. A large majority on here was on that train. Poch was Mane's manager at Southampton and we balked.

Poch left Southampton the season before Mane arrived.
Respect that you have an opinion but keep it real guys.

 

[tony0379]

I understand the supporters wanting Levy and ENIC out of the club, and agree with many of the points being made. I would welcome a change as well.
However, I am honestly a bit surprised that so many wants to see violators of human rights and oppressors of women, LGBTI and migrant workers take over.

I see many fans argue that it is the only way to win something in modern fotball. You could be right, I just wish we tried to change that instead of the club. I have spent 20 years telling Chelsea supporters that their trophies aint worth nothing (I would say the same to Man C supporters if I ever found one). I don’t want to be like them.
If I had to choose between QSI as owners and keeping ENIC and never winning again, I would honestly choose the latter. ?‍

Loser mentality I'm afraid.

 

[McFlash]

Lol come on mate Conte has been here for just over 2 transfer windows. He himself acknowledged that a whole squad doesn’t get built that quickly. You’re basically saying Levy has failed because he has’t bought a whole new team in two transfer windows. I know everyone is sticking the boot in, but that is just ridiculous.

I don't think that's what being said at all.
We started to back Conte to an extent but now seem to be hesitant to follow though with it.
Nobody is saying that we could rebuild over the space of 2 windows but looking at the positions we need to strengthen in, do you really expect Levy to spend what's required over the next 2 or 3 windows? I certainly don't.

There's no point hiring a manager like Conte, getting him a few players and then expecting to compete with players that we all know aren't capable.
Any manager worth his salt will want to improve those positions and unless we spend big in all of them, we can't compete for trophies.

We're at the stage now where we can't keep scrimping and saving, while expecting to be up with the big boys.
We need to take the final step, something it appears that Levy is reluctant to do, so we'll be stuck in a frustrating limbo yet again.

 

[the yid]

Let's be a 100% honest, if QSI were buying Liverpool they wouldn't be having dinner with Salah.