Tottenham Vs Southampton: Match Thread

[Shadydan]

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We're not talking about anyone else. We're talking about this myth that Paulinho is a world class goalscoring midfielder. He's not. He's a very average player who has been pathetic this season.

Offensively and defensively Dembele pisses all over Paulinho.

Steady, no need for the extreme viewpoint to prove your point, also the bits on bold...just, no

Jury is still out on Paulinho for me.

 

[tttcowan]

I think Bentaleb's defensive input is awful. His pressing is atrocious. And he is shocking for ballwatching/not tracking runners.

He'd only made three passes by the 19 minute mark today. He wasn't showing for the ball enough and his passing was too conservative. I think he's a terrible choice at the base of midfield.

Agenda.

 

[stevenurse]

We're not talking about anyone else. We're talking about this myth that Paulinho is a world class goalscoring midfielder. He's not. He's a very average player who has been pathetic this season.

Offensively and defensively Dembele pisses all over Paulinho.

Whilst not wanting to wade into your personal convo, how many goals/assists has Dembele got in the last two years, let alone this season? Offensively he is dreadful the majority of the time. A real disappointment

 

[liam17oi]

The high line is fine unless you apply pressure on the ball in midfield, we p


Steady, no need for the extreme viewpoint to prove your point, also the bits on bold...just, no

Jury is still out on Paulinho for me.

Going by stats on the offensive bit mate. Some people like them, some don't. On average more key passes, more successful dribbles, better pass completion. Obviously better defensively, as well.

Don't rate Paulinho at all. Seems Sherwood doesn't really rate him either.

 

[jezz]

Going by stats on the offensive bit mate. Some people like them, some don't. On average more key passes, more successful dribbles, better pass completion. Obviously better defensively, as well.

Don't rate Paulinho at all. Seems Sherwood doesn't really rate him either.

Sherwood rates Lennon aswell

 

[liam17oi]

Whilst not wanting to wade into your personal convo, how many goals/assists has Dembele got in the last two years, let alone this season? Offensively he is dreadful the majority of the time. A real disappointment

Demebele doesn't score, I'll admit that. Though I think he could score more. He's usually deeper than Paulinho and has to cover for Paulinho's laziness and lack of defensive discipline. I think we always miss a fit Dembele.

I'd have Dembele over Paulinho any day. And Paulinho's small return in goals doesn't change that.

 

[liam17oi]

Sherwood rates Lennon aswell

So have a lot of Tottenham managers. See your point, though. I just don't think Paulinho is the mythical goalscoring midfielder a lot of fans think he is. They seem to be blinded by his nationality. He certainly hasn't earned a starting place over, say, Bentaleb.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Agenda.

Rubbish.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...rwood-thinks-he-is.107042/page-7#post-3924860

I think he's ok. He looked a different player pushed further forward in a midfield 3. He needs to toughen up a bit and become a lot more alert when the opposition are breaking-he has a bad habit of ball watching.

 

[stevenurse]

Demebele doesn't score, I'll admit that. Though I think he could score more. He's usually deeper than Paulinho and has to cover for Paulinho's laziness and lack of defensive discipline. I think we always miss a fit Dembele.

I'd have Dembele over Paulinho any day. And Paulinho's small return in goals doesn't change that.

In that case I'd say to Dembele, as soon as Belgium are eliminated from the WC. You get your ass on the surgeons table and get whatever the fuck you need doing, done.

I'd have holtby and sandro in the middle with holtby keeping things ticking over. Lamela, Eriksen and chadli changing inbehind soldado. Balance but also with creativity and guile.

 

[Shadydan]

Going by stats on the offensive bit mate. Some people like them, some don't. On average more key passes, more successful dribbles, better pass completion. Obviously better defensively, as well.

Don't rate Paulinho at all. Seems Sherwood doesn't really rate him either.

You don't need stats to tell me that Paulinho is offensively a better player than Dembele, it's blatantly obvious.

 

[jezz]

Demebele doesn't score, I'll admit that. Though I think he could score more. He's usually deeper than Paulinho and has to cover for Paulinho's laziness and lack of defensive discipline. I think we always miss a fit Dembele.

I'd have Dembele over Paulinho any day. And Paulinho's small return in goals doesn't change that.

Small return in goals win games.
Dembele is not going to dislodge Sandro or Capoue in the DM role.
So what do you think Dembele actually does?
And yes i like Bentileb in a forward 3 not as DM.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Small return in goals win games.
Dembele is not going to dislodge Sandro or Capoue in the DM role.
So what do you think Dembele actually does?
And yes i like Bentileb in a forward 3 not as DM.

I don't know what Dembele does anymore. I'm fed up with him.

 

[liam17oi]

You don't need stats to tell me that Paulinho is offensively a better player than Dembele, it's blatantly obvious.

Why? Because he has three goals and 1 assist more from a usually more advanced position?

 

[Spurger King]

I don't know what Dembele does anymore. I'm fed up with him.

Slouches around holding his hip and looking sleepy. It's his signature move.

 

[Shadydan]

Why? Because he has three goals and 1 assist more from a usually more advanced position?

Dembele doesn't have an end product, Paulinho does.

The Dembele argument has been done to death really, the fact that we're still struggling to find his best position speaks volumes.

 

[chrissivad]

Why? Because he has three goals and 1 assist more from a usually more advanced position?

he has 4 goals and 3 assists in the League if the Premier League Website is correct

 

[liam17oi]

Small return in goals win games.
Dembele is not going to dislodge Sandro or Capoue in the DM role.
So what do you think Dembele actually does?
And yes i like Bentileb in a forward 3 not as DM.

Dembele is great at receiving the ball, beating a man and opening up the field. His work rate is good (I've already said how usually he's everywhere working two shifts covering Paulinho, though that's just my view). Defensively he's superb. He's a great outlet. Further forward he has the ability to beat a man on the edge of their box and prod the ball forward which he has done a few times this season for it to come to nothing.

Like Steve said, though, he needs to get himself sorted. He started brilliantly with us but hasn't been the same since he got that hip injury.

Dembele is a strange one, though, I admit. He's a striker that's been converted into a centre mid. If we find a manager that knows what to do with him (and I don't mean that in a negative way) then we can have some player on our hands. I still stand by my assertion that he has got goals in him.

 

[liam17oi]

Dembele doesn't have an end product, Paulinho does.

The Dembele argument has been done to death really, the fact that we're still struggling to find his best position speaks volumes.

The amount of times I've seen Paulinho sky the ball in a great position. That end product?

 

[RodSpur]

Are we going to see Lamela again?

He's in hiding in a safe house somewhere in the Shetland Islands, I believe, so probably not yet!

The plan is to unleash him as a secret weapon at the start of next season.

 

[liam17oi]

he has 4 goals and 3 assists in the League if the Premier League Website is correct

Well I was going off whoscored stats there. I can only think of Villa away and Norwich home...?