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Syn_13

Fly On, Little Wing
Jul 17, 2008
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...Is, quite frankly, something I hope we don't hear again for a long time. I remember lines to this effect being thrown around a lot in the past few years. Disgruntled fans, fed up with our tight-fisted chairman for not splashing the cash and keeping up with the competitors. Unfortunately, it hasn't quite worked out as we'd have liked.

I think a massive reason behind all this is the weight of expectation that a transfer record breaking fee provides. All 3 of the players we broke our transfer record with (Paulinho, Soldado and Lamela) are desperate to show why they've been bought for those amounts. It's not their faults they were bought for so much, but they have to provide the goods at the same time. It's tough, they have my sympathy, but there becomes a point when you just can't chalk it down to bad luck and pressure.

Now before people get up in arms, what I will say is that breaking a transfer record isn't a bad thing in itself. Of course, it's good to flex your financial muscles every now and again. It shows willing to our fans, players, sponsors, shareholders etc., but it also shows that we're up for a fight to the other clubs.

Being a club in our position is not really an enviable one. Sure, we're not relegation fodder, but at the same time we're not the cream of the crop. We're stuck in an odd limbo where we're too good to be shit but not good enough to be great. As a result we can't tempt players of the calibre of Chelsea or City without them being stolen from under our noses (Willian, anyone?). We have to hope to unearth hidden gems (Bale, Berbatov, Modric) or just strike it lucky with the kind of season that Southampton and West Ham are having (so far! Do think they'll both drop eventually). When you think about it, we really wasted our chance in the transfer window once we got CL football. That was the time for Levy to spend big, not after. Too reactive, not enough pro-active. Also, when we do get those gems they're eventually poched from us because we aren't big enough to keep them, so we have a very small window of opportunity to capitalise on them being here.

In all honesty, I don't want to see us throw shitloads of cash at clubs anymore, I'd rather us try to use the same kind of thinking behind the Eriksen deal. A player that has great potential, but doesn't cost the earth. If it doesn't work out we can recoup most of the money, and more importantly, not look like fools for spending mega-bucks in the first place. At least the media will lay off a bit, and it provides less pressure on us as a team to do so well.

I don't want to see us spend nearly £30m on a player who is realistically worth half of that, but because he's worth that much to the club we're forced to pay it to get him. Nor do I want us to spend that amount on a player who could be the next big thing, because quite frankly this game is full of fine margins and they could easily not make it to that level. It's too much money for that kind of risk, which is why the Eriksen model is smarter. The only time clubs should be spending money like that is on players like Suarez and Sanchez who genuinely show that they've got that world class spark about them, and let's face it, we're not in a position to be able to do that. We'd only get blown out of the water. I hope Levy has finally realised this, hence the ITK about him backing Poch's ideas to invest in youth, and bringing in people like Paul Mitchell. We see other Prem clubs at our level and lower make signings like Bony and Cabaye, players who don't cost a fortune and are bought through smart scouting, and yet we let these opportunities pass us by. Perhaps we think we're too good for players like this and need to rub shoulders with the big boys? Either way, we've done it before with the likes of Modric and Berbatov, so I can't see why we cannot continue to do so. Just makes more sense to me.
 

SlickMongoose

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THFCSPURS19

The Speaker of the Transfer Rumours Forum
Jan 6, 2013
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...Is, quite frankly, something I hope we don't hear again for a long time. I remember lines to this effect being thrown around a lot in the past few years. Disgruntled fans, fed up with our tight-fisted chairman for not splashing the cash and keeping up with the competitors. Unfortunately, it hasn't quite worked out as we'd have liked.

I think a massive reason behind all this is the weight of expectation that a transfer record breaking fee provides. All 3 of the players we broke our transfer record with (Paulinho, Soldado and Lamela) are desperate to show why they've been bought for those amounts. It's not their faults they were bought for so much, but they have to provide the goods at the same time. It's tough, they have my sympathy, but there becomes a point when you just can't chalk it down to bad luck and pressure.

Now before people get up in arms, what I will say is that breaking a transfer record isn't a bad thing in itself. Of course, it's good to flex your financial muscles every now and again. It shows willing to our fans, players, sponsors, shareholders etc., but it also shows that we're up for a fight to the other clubs.

Being a club in our position is not really an enviable one. Sure, we're not relegation fodder, but at the same time we're not the cream of the crop. We're stuck in an odd limbo where we're too good to be shit but not good enough to be great. As a result we can't tempt players of the calibre of Chelsea or City without them being stolen from under our noses (Willian, anyone?). We have to hope to unearth hidden gems (Bale, Berbatov, Modric) or just strike it lucky with the kind of season that Southampton and West Ham are having (so far! Do think they'll both drop eventually). When you think about it, we really wasted our chance in the transfer window once we got CL football. That was the time for Levy to spend big, not after. Too reactive, not enough pro-active. Also, when we do get those gems they're eventually poched from us because we aren't big enough to keep them, so we have a very small window of opportunity to capitalise on them being here.

In all honesty, I don't want to see us throw shitloads of cash at clubs anymore, I'd rather us try to use the same kind of thinking behind the Eriksen deal. A player that has great potential, but doesn't cost the earth. If it doesn't work out we can recoup most of the money, and more importantly, not look like fools for spending mega-bucks in the first place. At least the media will lay off a bit, and it provides less pressure on us as a team to do so well.

I don't want to see us spend nearly £30m on a player who is realistically worth half of that, but because he's worth that much to the club we're forced to pay it to get him. Nor do I want us to spend that amount on a player who could be the next big thing, because quite frankly this game is full of fine margins and they could easily not make it to that level. It's too much money for that kind of risk, which is why the Eriksen model is smarter. The only time clubs should be spending money like that is on players like Suarez and Sanchez who genuinely show that they've got that world class spark about them, and let's face it, we're not in a position to be able to do that. We'd only get blown out of the water. I hope Levy has finally realised this, hence the ITK about him backing Poch's ideas to invest in youth, and bringing in people like Paul Mitchell. We see other Prem clubs at our level and lower make signings like Bony and Cabaye, players who don't cost a fortune and are bought through smart scouting, and yet we let these opportunities pass us by. Perhaps we think we're too good for players like this and need to rub shoulders with the big boys? Either way, we've done it before with the likes of Modric and Berbatov, so I can't see why we cannot continue to do so. Just makes more sense to me.
Who's said we do need to break our transfer record?
 

THFCSPURS19

The Speaker of the Transfer Rumours Forum
Jan 6, 2013
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Well lots of people seem to think that Levy needs to "start splashing the cash" and "stop settling for 2nd choice". Which is basically saying the same thing without quite admitting it.
No it's not. I think Levy should spend more but I don't want him to spend above £30million on anyone.
 

UncleBuck

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Aug 20, 2003
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Yup, I think we need to sign the Dirty Dozen in January, put the Magnificent Seven to shame...
 

Kendall

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We need to scout better and be more sensible in purchasing players with better attributes to succeed in our league. I don't think that necessarily means breaking our record which was last broken by the purchases of ahem Paulinho, then Soldado and then Lamela in quick succession
 

DaSpurs

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Jan 20, 2013
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No it's not. I think Levy should spend more but I don't want him to spend above £30million on anyone.

While that may be true, the idea is the same.

The point Syn is trying to make, at least as I interpreted it, is that more money is now the answer. The answer simply lies in being more clever with the decisions we make on incoming players.
 

SlickMongoose

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No it's not. I think Levy should spend more but I don't want him to spend above £30million on anyone.

So we should spend more than, say £30m on Soldado, or £30m on Lamela, without spending over £30m???

Or do you just want us to buy more players, rather than the small numbers we've been buying so far?
 

Syn_13

Fly On, Little Wing
Jul 17, 2008
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Who's said we do need to break our transfer record?

A few years back a lot of Spurs fans were very fed up that we weren't showing enough willing in the transfer market. It's funny because there was this whole "Levy would never spend over £20m" thing going about for a while. Funny how that turned out. As I said earlier, there was a good time to do so, when we actually got into the CL, but only if we spent it on a player who really was worth that kind of money in the short term. Unfortunately, we started spending too late when we were trying to play catch up. There are still the odd few fans now who seem to think we still need to spend big. I'd rather us forget about trying to go for the Lamelas, and even the Willians, of this world, and just take a step back, think smarter about our purchases, and buy as a result of intensive scouting and what will actually fit our manager's ideas.

The motivation behind my post is down to three things. 1) Genuinely upset that our big money buys aren't doing as well as I'd hoped; 2) Just fed up with the way money is the be all and end all in football; and 3) The way we've handled our transfer business as a result. We need to be a little more savvy and I think/hope that Levy is finally starting to learn his lesson.
 

Chris Flynn

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Plenty here say it but we need to sign players for the first team and use the players coming through the youth system to fill out the squad. I'd rather sign 2 excellent first team players in the summer than 6 or more squad players, then it dosn't block our good youngsters either. Win win. You could most likely sell the youngsters who aren't quite good enough for us to make a fair wedge back, like with livermore and caulker. It seems almost too easy.

Basically im not against breaking transfer records for quality, rather that than spend a medium transfer fee for several who wont effect the first team in a really positive way.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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Let's face it - any player valued at over £30m by his club and who is interested in coming to us is probably hideously overpriced.
 

chinaman

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Jul 19, 2003
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Even if we were to bid 200 million pounds for Ronaldo, he wouldn't come to us.
 

beats1

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We did that 3 times in one summer. They all suck
The thing is we really didn't

The first one is Paulinho, now he cost us supposedly £17m.
Now for that price we would of got all his image rights. I have a white paper that is about investment in to Brazilian sports over the period of 2012 and 2016(covering the world cup and olympics). The amount of investment in to Brazilian players was huge at that point. Worth noting when we signed Paulinho he was one of the 3 main poster boys along with Neymar and Silva. Neymar made £50million supposedly in 2012-2013 iirc. We would have made alot of the paulinho money back from his image rights.

The second one is Soldado.
The Valencian chairman announced to break even that they would need £14m to cover the loss of CL revenue and stay afloat. The club was then owned by the banks and Peter Lim was interested but they didn't find a buyer. The chairman then went on to say that he would rather sell one player to make this sum than sell several. This got alot of backlash as Valencia fans didn't want to lose their prize possession soldado.

Then when the fans were calling for the acting chairman's head he said he would only sell soldado if he got the full amount of his clause. Soldado was sold for £14m plus adds on but the announcement was to save face for the banks and the terrible situation the fans faced. HE NEVER COST US £26million however that wont stop fans using it against him.

Finally Lamela
I doubt he cost us £25m as we are led to believe however if true, Levy isn't as good as a negotiator as we once thought. Though his price may of been driven up just for the books, which is something the italians(and probably us imo) like to do with amortisation thus paying less tax.
 

beats1

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We need to scout better and be more sensible in purchasing players with better attributes to succeed in our league. I don't think that necessarily means breaking our record which was last broken by the purchases of ahem Paulinho, then Soldado and then Lamela in quick succession
Except in reality the first two players would of cost us less than Bentley did
 
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