Who got us into this mess?

[Bill_Oddie]

Would Levy have tried for Ramos if Jol hadn't spoken to Newcastle about a vacancy while our boss?

Would Pedro Mendes have been sold if Mark Clattenburg had given 'that' goal and thus remained after it became clear Carrick was off, thus being a good solution to a perennial problem position ever since?

Would we have had more shape and consistency if Modric had chosen a better or CL club to join this summer?

Would Comolli be more kindly treated by posterity if he had signed worse players for less money (e.g. had we spent 3m on, say, Carlton Cole than 15.5m on Darren Bent or 7m on Jermaine Pennant than 16m on David Bentley)?

Would I still have got into that taxi with the strong-jawed, thick-thighed 'lady' last night had I known what lurked 'downstairs'?

Who knows?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Would Levy have tried for Ramos if Jol hadn't spoken to Newcastle about a vacancy while our boss?

Would Pedro Mendes have been sold if Mark Clattenburg had given 'that' goal and thus remained after it became clear Carrick was off, thus being a good solution to a perennial problem position ever since?

Would we have had more shape and consistency if Modric had chosen a better or CL club to join this summer?

Would Comolli be more kindly treated by posterity if he had signed worse players for less money (e.g. had we spent 3m on, say, Carlton Cole than 15.5m on Darren Bent or 7m on Jermaine Pennant than 16m on David Bentley)?

Would I still have got into that taxi with the strong-jawed, thick-thighed 'lady' last night had I known what lurked 'downstairs'?

Who knows?

True. Apart from the last one. That's a resounding 'yes'.

 

[Michey]

The fact is that, whilst we ain't doing so well in the league, our cup form is about to take a sterner test in the shape of Man U in both of the domestic knockouts.

Just to keep a prespective on the games in the cups;

Two homewins against Wigans reserves and against Burnley that lost against Swansea at home this weekend.

 

[ravo]

I put Ramos, as he worked with Commolli to flog our best players.

 

[ethanedwards]

Levy. Should have appointed MON when he had the chance.

 

[C-oops]

The players that stopped playing after winning the Carling Cup ( Berbatov, Jenas) are mainly to blame and then ramos for not doing something about it sooner. Commoli didn't do a great job ( except Corluka) in the summer either. Wrong players.

 

[Dannyspur]

Being unable to defend a corner is the primary cause!

 

[SpurSince57]

Just to keep a prespective on the games in the cups;

Two homewins against Wigans reserves and against Burnley that lost against Swansea at home this weekend.

Burnley having seen off Fulham, Chelsea and Arsenal Under-12s in the previous rounds. But let's just ignore that for the sake of balance, shall we?

 

[Bing]

Clownoli got us into this.


Levy has to take a share of the flak as well....the club as a whole failed to capitalise on a golden opportunity and set us back years.

 

[spursfan1991]

I wouldn't vote for anyone of those.

It all went bad when Arnesen was replaced with Comolli

Exactly, how can this not be an option, i will not vote. Although Levy, Ramos and The Players have also fucked up but this is what started the downfall. One could even mention the mother fucking lasagne.

 

[Wiener]

If you are talking about the "mess" that is our current relegation battle (and I assume you are), then I think the blame falls squarely on Ramos's shoulders.

If you are talking about the "mess" that is our the senior footballing side and our attempt to break into the big 4, then of course the blame falls on Levy. Overall, I am a fan of Levy's and he has undoubtedly brought the club forward in many respects. Regular CL football is an ambitious aim and was never going to be easy. However big mistakes have been made and while I admire Levy's courage in admitting the mistake that was Comolli/Ramos, I fear he has made an even bigger one by appointing Redknapp.

In short for the purpose of this poll, I have voted Ramos.

Anyone blaming the players, or even one or two players, is in my opinion, way off the mark. My view is that the manager is responsible for getting the best out of them. I believe we have a talented but slightly inexperienced team, something that Redknapp initially acknowledged. I wish he would just quietly get on with building a team and getting the best out of some good players. I hope he is not another one of Levy's mistakes, but I fear that he is.

 

[riversmonkey]

Redknapp sweetened up the players when he arrived, he bigged them up and hoped that in return he would get a response on the pitch, naturally the players wanted to impress the new boss so results started off fine. However the consistency and cohesion that we had a couple of years ago has worn away, instead of a first team squad pulling in the same direction we have new foreign signings struggling to adapt in their first seasons in English Football (Dos Santos, Pav, Modric, Gomes), youngsters bereft of confidence (Bale, Taraabt, Campbell), a part time Captain and overrated English players who are struggling to cope with the pressures of the grossly inflated price tags around their neck (Bent, Bentley), not to mention light switches like Jenas and Huddlestone (sometimes they are on, othertimes they are off). The annoying thing is, the players who are willing to fight and battle are the ones who are arguably the least technically gifted (Zokora, Dawson, O'Hara, Woodgate).

So looking at the squad as a unit, we have many fragmented individual problems which are almost impossible for a manager and his coaching staff to address.

 

[AllSeeingEye]

Redknapp sweetened up the players when he arrived, he bigged them up and hoped that in return he would get a response on the pitch, naturally the players wanted to impress the new boss so results started off fine. However the consistency and cohesion that we had a couple of years ago has worn away, instead of a first team squad pulling in the same direction we have new foreign signings struggling to adapt in their first seasons in English Football (Dos Santos, Pav, Modric, Gomes), youngsters bereft of confidence (Bale, Taraabt, Campbell), a part time Captain and overrated English players who are struggling to cope with the pressures of the grossly inflated price tags around their neck (Bent, Bentley), not to mention light switches like Jenas and Huddlestone (sometimes they are on, othertimes they are off). The annoying thing is, the players who are willing to fight and battle are the ones who are arguably the least technically gifted (Zokora, Dawson, O'Hara, Woodgate).

So looking at the squad as a unit, we have many fragmented individual problems which are almost impossible for a manager and his coaching staff to address.

That sounds about right. Though if we are relegated I bet Levy will dump Harry. I think we really need some grit in there for this battle.

 

[double0]

The Players are 100% to blame... IMO Redkanpp is not at all to blame as of yet. Poyet and Ramos parted by daming the desire and commitment of the players... they've all had it easy collecting champions league wages...many of them not performing to required standard. I'm pretty sure Aston Villa's, Everton and even Ar5enal players per head are paid less than what were playing our players.


The players have been a total disgrace and our AWAY record from the Lane is a JOKE.

 

[piedpiper]

There is only one person to blame and that blame is at the door of Daniel Levy. you cannot go through 6 managers since 2002. Glen Hoddle,David Pleat,Jacques Santini, BIG Martin Jol, Rubbish Wonder Ramos and now Harry Redknapp. where is the settled formula there??? Daniel Levy has no understanding of football and throwing money at a team will not bring sustained success you only have to look at Chelsea yes they bought a team got a manager in who had the pedigree but stopped the investment in their team and the results are now evident.

We should have continued the formula under Jol continued to invest in the team and we would be in the champions league running. Many here might argue Jol's inability to beat the top4, Is MON at Villa beating the top4??? But Villa are backing their man. So to answer the question Daniel Levy the chairman of our Club got us in this mess. He is an astute business man but he is not an effective chairman of a football club.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

The players that stopped playing after winning the Carling Cup ( Berbatov, Jenas) are mainly to blame and then ramos for not doing something about it sooner. Commoli didn't do a great job ( except Corluka) in the summer either. Wrong players.

I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I would point out for posterity's sake that our best players this year (apart from Lennon) have all been those we bought in the summer.

That isn't, of course, to say that the players we bought in the summer are all those who are our current best, or that they naturally fitted what we needed.

 

[Michey]

Here's an interesting article on the subject;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ls-stars-AWOL-relegation-battle.html?ITO=1490

I've mentioned Comolli/Levy as reasons for the mess and sure....Comolli has brought in many of the players but i'm starting to change my mind a little bit. When a player is beeing paid alot of cash to play for us they ought to show some fucking balls and passion.

We all know what happened when Ramos was sacked but it's a fucking embarrassment to read how our weak little players was hiding behind Ramos as beeing a bad manager, not speaking english and not beeing able to take baths in mayonaise. We all remember how a player like Woodgate said that Ramos was "a proper manager"....

So after a few days of thinking....the players gets my vote.

 

[Mr Gamgee]

Levy. He has done a lot of good things for this club but ultimately he has made too many wrong desicions and never taken accountability for them. Eg. Ramos, keane & berbatov, Sacking Jol, Hiring Comolli.

I know its easy in hindsight to see that these were wrong decisions and at the specific times maybe appeared to be the right one to make but he made them and has to be accountable if they are wrong.



Oh and the players have to take theyre share of the blame. Too many off them have taken us for a ride in the last 12 months

 

[Captain Spur]

Something definately stinks within White Hart Lane.

The players have to take the most responsibility, it can't always be the managers fault. There must be to many ego's, immature attitudes within the team, the young age of the squad can't really help. Someone needs to sort the mess out and get the team playing like they can/should be playing. The vast majority are good players but very few show it on a consistent basis.

Don't know if some more experienced players to balance things out would be the answer but something is definately wrong with my Spurs.

 

[stemark44]

I would say that a lot of our players couldn't care less about football or the club - they are in it for the cash,the bling,the cars,the women and the celebrity status!