Winter transfer mission

[Norwegian Spurs fan]

Quote Daniel Levy " We are not a selling club"

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

There isn't one player who I'd be sad to see go bar Lloris/Kane. I'm sure most people feel the same. Id suggest Paulinho will go on loan and we'll actively look to sell Naughton, Lennon, Dembele and Chiriches. Lamela and Soldado could go if decent offers were made, but that's unlikely!

 

[cooko70]

Quote Daniel Levy " We are not a selling club"

Unless it's for a profit...
And there lies Little Danny's problem now, apart from Lloris and Verts, there's no profit to be made, unless he sells off the home grown boys. He's used the inflated sales of Carrick, Modric, Berbatov and Bale , to "strengthen" the squad in the past, but he sure isn't going to get his money back on this lot, let alone make a profit!

 

[gp13tot]

Kyle 'head in hands' Naughton absolutely needs to go. There will be some clown in the PL that will pay 3-4 mill for him. Absolute tripe.
Younes Kaboul - knackers yard (aka Bosman at the end of the season). Sadly a spent force, week in week out. Still capable of the odd good game but too many ricks in him.
BAE - Hey Ya!
Paulinho - Offers less than Siggy and Holtby did, and they've bitten the dust. Probably be a loan as his value is shot. Serie A, La Liga or back to Brazeeeeel
Capoue - Hasn't played well enough often enough since his first few performances under AVB. Throw in the progression of Mason and Bentaleb and talk of disruption behind the scenes and i'd sell for 8-10m. Teams here and abroad would be interested IMO.
Adebayor - Lazy, uninterested, laughable. Doesn't have enough good days for the money he steals. Probably have to pay him off or run contract down but should stay away for the first team as much as is possible. Huge disruption to the club.
Ceballos - Must be a reason he hasn't been given a chance. May as well sell/release if he can't do better than the current incumbents

I understand that all of these probably couldn't happen in January but i'd want/try to get rid of the above between 1 Jan - 30 July.

I'm far from convinced about Dier, Rose, Chadli, Townsend and Lamela but think due to their age/potential they need to stay with Poch for a year/18 months to see how much more he can get out of them

I'd keep Dembele (strength, dribbling), Lennon (defensive work, pace), Chiriches (moments of genius alongside the brain fades) and Soldado (link up play, technique) though not necessarily to be central parts of the team, but squad players. I'm assuming Holtby is done, but I would keep him too.

Mason, Bentaleb and Kane are showing promise, though have a ways to go. Deserve their 'promotion' but concerned we are relying on them too much, too often due to the weak squad we have. Defo should be there/thereabouts though

Leaving Lloris, Walker, Yedlin, Vertonghen, Fazio, Davies, Eriksen, Stambouli as players I would keep and 'rely on' beyond the summer (although I suspect Hugo and Jan will want to leave)

I understand the arguments about not having mass upheaval like 2013 but our squad is so poor that unless we get rid of all the shit ASAP and buy first team quality to replace them then Poch/whoever doesn't have a prayer. We will end up like Villa, and hope for mid table at best. Can't see any higher than 55 pts if we have remotely the same squad in May we have now.

 

[muppetman]

I'd like us to support the manager and bin those he deems not good enough. If he thinks he can get something good out of Chiriches, Naughton, Paulinho etc then we have to place some trust in him - otherwise what is the point?


This thread is modern football - sell everyone, buy whoever is flavour of the month - rinse, repeat. It bores the arse off of me. As a football club we need to knuckle down to some hard work and stop looking for the easy option.

 

[dontcallme]

I'd like us to support the manager and bin those he deems not good enough. If he thinks he can get something good out of Chiriches, Naughton, Paulinho etc then we have to place some trust in him - otherwise what is the point?

This thread is modern football - sell everyone, buy whoever is flavour of the month - rinse, repeat. It bores the arse off of me. As a football club we need to knuckle down to some hard work and stop looking for the easy option.

I kind of agree.

But I think it's fair to say our transfer policy since selling Bale simply hasn't worked. Poch has already shown that some of our young players are performing better than players who cost us a lot of money.

We need to stop the high level of buying and selling players as it is making us disjointed as a team.

Right now Poch needs to identify who the bad apples are and who just isn't good enough. So in the next 2 transfer windows I expect quite a few sales.

Hopefully this time though the players we bring in will be bought on how they fit the team rather than their reputation. If we sell 6 players and buy 3 as Poch has already identified young players ready to play for us then we shouldn't be concerned at a possible negative net spend.

 

[spursfan77]

With a squad full of under performing 'stars' at some point you have to draw a line between hope and reality.

Which players have had their day in a Spurs shirt, who would you sell/release in January to trim the squad?

My list:
Kaboul
Chiriches
Assou-Ekotto
Paulinho
Lamela - (is in second year on contract and has cost too much for the small amount delivered)
Townsend - (if we aren't going to play him on the left)
Dembele
Adebayor

Yep all those and Soldado.

 

[homer hotspur]

First post after many weeks/month of watching! Nearly 50 years an avid Spurs fan and managed to instil this into my 2 sons who deserve great credit for sticking with it despite the disappointments over the last 20 or so years and peer pressure of the' glory hunter' brigade

i agree that there are many that we would like to see go but I forsee a frustrating transfer window in January as it nearly always is. I simply don't see us getting the acceptable offers for Lamela and Paulinho but we may be able to loan them out to Serie A sides in the hope that they enhance their reputations and maybe help their values for a sale in the summer. It sounds like we may have a chance of getting a reasonable offer for Vlad and I would certianly not dither about should such an offer come in. I suspect that the likes of Dembele, Soldado, and Capoue will stay until the summer. I dread to think of Hugo being subject to a big offer in Janaury - the effect him leaving on our shaky defence is frightening. If Walker proves his fitmess and Yedlin arrives, we should be ok to let Naughton go if a decent offer arrives. I think Adebayore is going to hang around whatever offers come in unless we pay him off in full. We are very vunerable to a potential crisis up front if kane or even Soldado get injured.

As for incomings, I am concerned we may end up paying silly money for someone like Berahino. He looks a prospect but there is a danger of players like him being over hyped and West Brom would probably happily sell for £20 miliion plus and re-invest in a few players to help them stay up. Bony looks the much better choice but , in the unlikely event that Swansea would let him go, we would probably lose out to Liverpool .As for Jay Rodriguez, I simply can't see DL sanctioning a huge fee for a player who has had such a serious injury and I would have to agree. Has he even started training yet? Perhaps a loan deal with Townsend going on loan the other way, but only if he is fit to play.

I really think we just have to try and get through this season safe and keep clear of those bottom 8 or so places as I don't fancy our chances in a scrap for points and try to sort things out in the close season.

 

[nav007_2000]

All the team

 

[nightgoat]

Adebayor, Kaboul, and Paulinho for starters. BAE can go, but I doubt we'd get much of a fee for him, so letting him go would just be getting him off the wage bill. We could probably still get a decent fee for Capoue, and if we got a good offer for Dembele I wouldn't be desperately disappointed if he went, and I'd happily bring back Pritchard and Carroll from their respective loans.

 

[sim0n]

in a first point regarding a realistic move, Capoue HAS to go in this window. There was no reason to buy him in the first place and there is a terrible glut in the midfield... he seems a pouty, negative player to deal with...

in general, here's a list:

capoue (jan window)
dembele (jan window)
assou-ekoto - (his contract is up this summer, so loan out for the rest of season should do)
soldado - in the summer
adebayor - in the summer
kaboul - in the summer
chiriches - in the summer


too bad for dembele with his hip degenerating, but he's surplus now. there will need to be more culling of the herd with holtby and pritchard still out on loan. I would expect these players, if not sold, will require a place in the squad.

players like naughton don't HAVE to be sold, but he's a 3rd choice fullback.... Rose as a back up to Davies is fine, but Spurs could sell him if a bid comes in. I like what I've seen of Dier and he should be Spurs starting CB IMHO.

Here's the tricky part, with Kane's development taking up the #10 spot that leaves nothing for Lamela in there.... Eriksen is a starter, Chadli looks miles better in his progress than Lamela, and even Lennon/Townsend compete for the wide positions.... and next season Pritchard ought to be in the team making more congestion there than the CM glut...

I do think Tom Carroll can be sold now that Mason has that spot.

 

[nightgoat]

Kyle 'head in hands' Naughton absolutely needs to go. There will be some clown in the PL that will pay 3-4 mill for him. Absolute tripe.
Younes Kaboul - knackers yard (aka Bosman at the end of the season). Sadly a spent force, week in week out. Still capable of the odd good game but too many ricks in him.
BAE - Hey Ya!
Paulinho - Offers less than Siggy and Holtby did, and they've bitten the dust. Probably be a loan as his value is shot. Serie A, La Liga or back to Brazeeeeel
Capoue - Hasn't played well enough often enough since his first few performances under AVB. Throw in the progression of Mason and Bentaleb and talk of disruption behind the scenes and i'd sell for 8-10m. Teams here and abroad would be interested IMO.
Adebayor - Lazy, uninterested, laughable. Doesn't have enough good days for the money he steals. Probably have to pay him off or run contract down but should stay away for the first team as much as is possible. Huge disruption to the club.
Ceballos - Must be a reason he hasn't been given a chance. May as well sell/release if he can't do better than the current incumbents.

Agree with pretty much all of that bar Naughton. He's actually not that bad a defender, but with Walker coming back and Yedlin coming in he'll be third choice. If he wants to stay, keep him. If he wants to go, let him go.

You can only assume the reason Paulinho is still here is because no one was willing to offer anywhere near the £17m we got ripped off for him (can you blame them?) Sigurdsson both creates and scores goals, and Holtby, whilst inconsistent, has the tenacity and spirit we're so lacking in the squad. Paulinho does/possesses none of these.

 

[stemark44]

My list to go,though I am sure it won't be possible to clear this lot in one transfer window.
The first group,I just don't think its possible to build a solid team with these guys or a winning squad.
These guys have serious attitude problems and they would be a priority to get rid of first.
They need to leave as soon as possible.

Adebayor
Kaboul
Capoue
Paulinho
Soldado
BAE.

The second group are players that really haven't done enough in our shirt or simply have been here far too long with little in return.

Lennon.
Chiriches.
Naughton.
Dembele.
Holtby.

The third group are on thin ice,they still have time to redeem themselves but the clock is ticking.
Carroll.
Lamela.
Townsend.
Chadli.
Strambouli.........he is here because I haven't seen enough of him and how bad can he be when Poch doesn't even play him.

 

[widmerpool]

In what possible way could Soldado be described as having an attitude problem? He's just got a goalscoring problem.

 

[Spursidol]

Still don't think many people realise how big our squad is. Counting all the players who will be 21 for next season (and with youngsters in brackets) but excluding a few out on loan (eg Pritchard, Carroll) :

GK (3) - Hugo Lloris, Micael Vorm, Brad Friedel, (u21 Jordan Archer)
FB (5) - Kyle Walker (A), Danny Rose (C), Kyle Naughton (A), , Benoit Assou-Ekotto, Ben Davies (plus Yedlin when he comes)
CB (5) -Younès Kaboul, Jan Vertonghen, Vlad Chiriches, Federico Fazio, Eric Dier, (u21 Milos Veljkovic)
CM (5) - Paulinho, Benjamin Stambouli, Mousa Dembélé, Étienne Capoue, Ryan Mason (C) (and u21 Nabil Bentaleb)
AM (6) Aaron Lennon (C), Eric Lamela, Andros Townsend (C), Nacer Chadli, Christian Eriksen, Cristian Ceballos,
FWD (3) Roberto Soldado, Emmanuel Adebayor, Harry Kane

Total 27 plus Yedlin

So in January and the summer TW we need to 'lose' 4 players just to come down to the maximum 25 players we are allowed in the squad - but its more sensible to have a squad of 20-22 players supplemented by youth players being introduced to the first team (and we have half a dozen good prospects on the way), so its more like losing 7 players.....and that's before selling one to bring in an upgrade.

And with the number of youth players who could make good squad players (and some may go on to be genuine stars), we need to sell a few in January no matter what.

Players to sell, no replacement required :

Assou- Ekotto - LB but not played for spurs in last 18 months (Ogilvie as youth cover)
Paulhino - AM but not sure he adds anything (Oduwa as youth cover or Pritchard)
Chirches - Erratic CB, useful if we are short at RB, but needs to go as we have too many CB's (plus Ball/Veljkovic as youth cover); alternatively Chirches stays but Kaboul goes.
Ceballos - winger, not played by Poch so assume he's not wanted.

So that's more than the minimum 4 out without too much difficulty !

Decisions to be made :

Naughton - If Yedlin becomes Walker's competition at RB, then Naughton neds to go. However if Yedlin is sent on loan for expoerience the Naughton stays (at least until Summer)

Chirches/Kaboul - If we can find a top class replacement (eg Moreno), we sell the other

Adebayor/Soldado - Top of the list of needs in January is a goalscoring striker who can hold up the ball. Its then a question as to which of our strikers goes. Essential we do this as reliance on Kane as our only goalscoring striker is not feasible as he cannot score in every game.

Dembele - Just doesn't fit Poch's requirement for quick passing with defensive qualities and appears to have lost a lot of class through his hip injury. We have plenty of CM's (and youngsters coming through) but if a top class CM (eg Schneiderlin) is available, Dembele can go. It maybe with the number of CM's we have, Dembele can go without replacement.

Doubt if we can do all of these, but we need to get some of it done and look to do the balance in the summer with phase 2 of the squad rebuilding.

IMO its going to take several TW's to undo the legacy of 2013 TW mistales

 

[tonyc]

Still don't think many people realise how big our squad is. Counting all the players who will be 21 for next season (and with youngsters in brackets) but excluding a few out on loan (eg Pritchard, Carroll) :

GK (3) - Hugo Lloris, Micael Vorm, Brad Friedel, (u21 Jordan Archer)
FB (5) - Kyle Walker (A), Danny Rose (C), Kyle Naughton (A), , Benoit Assou-Ekotto, Ben Davies (plus Yedlin when he comes)
CB (5) -Younès Kaboul, Jan Vertonghen, Vlad Chiriches, Federico Fazio, Eric Dier, (u21 Milos Veljkovic)
CM (5) - Paulinho, Benjamin Stambouli, Mousa Dembélé, Étienne Capoue, Ryan Mason (C) (and u21 Nabil Bentaleb)
AM (6) Aaron Lennon (C), Eric Lamela, Andros Townsend (C), Nacer Chadli, Christian Eriksen, Cristian Ceballos,
FWD (3) Roberto Soldado, Emmanuel Adebayor, Harry Kane

Total 27 plus Yedlin

So in January and the summer TW we need to 'lose' 4 players just to come down to the maximum 25 players we are allowed in the squad - but its more sensible to have a squad of 20-22 players supplemented by youth players being introduced to the first team (and we have half a dozen good prospects on the way), so its more like losing 7 players.....and that's before selling one to bring in an upgrade.

And with the number of youth players who could make good squad players (and some may go on to be genuine stars), we need to sell a few in January no matter what.

Players to sell, no replacement required :

Assou- Ekotto - LB but not played for spurs in last 18 months (Ogilvie as youth cover)
Paulhino - AM but not sure he adds anything (Oduwa as youth cover or Pritchard)
Chirches - Erratic CB, useful if we are short at RB, but needs to go as we have too many CB's (plus Ball/Veljkovic as youth cover); alternatively Chirches stays but Kaboul goes.
Ceballos - winger, not played by Poch so assume he's not wanted.

So that's more than the minimum 4 out without too much difficulty !

Decisions to be made :

Naughton - If Yedlin becomes Walker's competition at RB, then Naughton neds to go. However if Yedlin is sent on loan for expoerience the Naughton stays (at least until Summer)

Chirches/Kaboul - If we can find a top class replacement (eg Moreno), we sell the other

Adebayor/Soldado - Top of the list of needs in January is a goalscoring striker who can hold up the ball. Its then a question as to which of our strikers goes. Essential we do this as reliance on Kane as our only goalscoring striker is not feasible as he cannot score in every game.

Dembele - Just doesn't fit Poch's requirement for quick passing with defensive qualities and appears to have lost a lot of class through his hip injury. We have plenty of CM's (and youngsters coming through) but if a top class CM (eg Schneiderlin) is available, Dembele can go. It maybe with the number of CM's we have, Dembele can go without replacement.

Doubt if we can do all of these, but we need to get some of it done and look to do the balance in the summer with phase 2 of the squad rebuilding.

IMO its going to take several TW's to undo the legacy of 2013 TW mistales

Good post, mate. And much of what you suggest re outgoings depends an awful lot on the stance of Mr. Daniel 'my price is the only price' Levy.

 

[stemark44]

In what possible way could Soldado be described as having an attitude problem? He's just got a goalscoring problem.

He isn't strong enough both mentally and physically.

 

[THOWIG]

Linked today with Heung-Min Son. Would love this to be true.

 

[BK007]

There's a difference between reality and fantasy.

Why are we actually listing down BAE and Adebayor when no one will take them when they are free in the summer, if anyone even wanted them then? The only way they leave us is if we sever their contracts, but what's the use when it'll be done in 6 months anyway.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

My list to go,though I am sure it won't be possible to clear this lot in one transfer window.
The first group,I just don't think its possible to build a solid team with these guys or a winning squad.
These guys have serious attitude problems and they would be a priority to get rid of first.
They need to leave as soon as possible.

Adebayor
Kaboul
Capoue
Paulinho
Soldado
BAE.

The second group are players that really haven't done enough in our shirt or simply have been here far too long with little in return.

Lennon.
Chiriches.
Naughton.
Dembele.
Holtby.

The third group are on thin ice,they still have time to redeem themselves but the clock is ticking.
Carroll.
Lamela.
Townsend.
Chadli.
Strambouli.........he is here because I haven't seen enough of him and how bad can he be when Poch doesn't even play him.

Why does Chadli need to redeem himself? He's our top PL scorer with 6 goals.