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InOffMeLeftShin

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During the summer Tottenham set up an affiliation with Brazilian club Internacional and both before and after this partnership was set up we were linked with U21 midfielder Sandro.

According to ITK after the transfer window a deal is now in place for Sandro to move to Spurs in the January window and many people were getting excited at the prospect of having a Brazilian midfielder in our team to potentially play alongside Palacios.

He has only had a very brief career in Brazil although reports had been very positive and he was recently called up into the full Brazil squad for the qualifiers last month. This enough was cause for excitement, although I personally had never seen him play.

Yesterday evening I was fortunate enough to be flicking through the channels on my TV and stumbled onto the Internacional v. Univ de Chile on SportItalia about half an hour in, so I settled down with interest to watch the game and particularly the performance of Sandro.

Initially, I'll be honest, I was underwhelmed. I knew he was a defensive midfielder but in my head I imagined something along the lines of Felipe Melo or a Palacios type. In reality this was not the case. It took quite a while for him to even be involved in the game as he was playing extremely deep and the game was all happening in front of him as Internacional were a goal down and pushing for an equaliser. It seemed that the full backs had pushed up very high and Sandro had dropped deep, almost exclusively in his own half, to help cover with the centre backs.

He is a big guy, and has a sort of loping languid style and a slightly odd gait. Not as big as Huddlestone and certainly not as immobile, but he does have a certain physical presence which didn't seem to be put to much use.

After a period of time when it seemed he hadn't done a lot, Univ broke, got the ball to the right winger and tried to counter. Off sets Sandro from his defensive position in pursuit of the winger. He was always a metre behind the winger and looked kind of awkward running, but managed to just about keep up with him and then he went to ground with a seemingly last ditch sliding tackle. I almost closed my eyes expecting to see a rash foul as it seemed he was too far behind the player to get near the ball, only to be surprised when a 'Bobby Mooresque' challenge to be perfectly excecuted and Sandro bouncing back to his feet with the ball stuck to his right boot.

I thought to myself, that was a great challenge if a little lucky, if he had been slightly out he would have been in trouble. As it was he probably stopped a goalscoring opportunity. I was wrong. Luck didn't have much to do with it as was evident about 3 minutes later when on the halfway line on the left side of the pitch comes a clattering challenge from Sandro, again perfectly timed and again coming out with the ball. A few minutes after this a cross field ball was played into the Internacional box and the Univ forward was in a good position. Sandro had absolutely no right to get to the ball, but staying on his feet inside the box he managed to get his body across the opposing player, nip his foot in and get the ball he then turned on a sixpence the opposite way to his momentum was taking him and left the opposing player for dead. It was such Ledley style defending. He actually made about 6 or 7 real challenges, taking the ball away from his opponent (as oppose to nipping in ahead of them or intercepting/blocking). This boy can tackle!

Then Inter scored. Univ were now looking to get the ball up the field more often and be more of an attacking threat as oppose to being very defensive and holding the lead as before. It became apparent that Sandro's positioning was extremely good. He had an uncanny nack of always being able to step forward from his deep position and intercept balls coming into the midfield. He was underneath every goalkick and winning headers in the middle of the pitch and every time one of his team mates drifted from their position he had the gap marshalled. He appeared to have the defensive awareness of a veteran player rather than a kid just starting his career.

Not only that but he was always talking, pointing, telling his team-mates where to go and they actually seemed to listen to him. I don't think he was the captain, but he was certainly the one in control on the pitch.

He was very comfortable on the ball, and was very tidy when passing. In the 60 minutes of football I saw he didn't once try an elaborate creative pass from midfield, but kept the ball ticking over. He did occassionally get forward, albeit with the ball still ahead of him. He broke into the box late and had a full stretch diving header whistle about a foot wide of the post. Another occassion the ball rebounded out from the box and broke to Sandro who rifled a right-footed shot from 10 yards out which hit the Univ defender flush in the face and knocked him out cold. Not long after the goal, he was up supporting the play as Inter looked for a winner, he received the ball and with one simple step over shifted his body position, cut between two defenders to the edge of the box and whipped in a great cross which really should have been buried by the forward.

In short, he is primarily a defensive player. If he plays in the centre with Palacios expect him to be the deeper of the two and Palacios moving forward hassling and harrying the opposition. Some Spurs fans will likely get frustrated by his seemingly languid movement at first but I'm sure his defensive qualities will win them over. It may result in our central midfield being a little short on the creative side (although Sandro may well possess great passing ability that just wasn't evident in the 60 minutes I watched, but I would have thought chasing the game he would have been more creative if that was in his game). Having said that it would definitely help the likes of Modric and Lennon to have more freedom and we would be able to effectively play 4-4-2 without sometimes getting ripped through the middle.

He was definitely a class act, who of course will take some time to adjust to the English game although his maturity on the pitch should help him adapt quickly. I'll let you lot decide if a defensive rather creative player is the best partner for Palacios in midfield.
 

mil1lion

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Nice summary :up:

If we do move for him again in January, i'll be really interested to see how he does in England. He sounds like someone who could play alongside either Palacios, Huddlestone or Jenas. Which will be ideal for us. Palacios for the steel, Huddlestone for the creativity and Jenas for the engine in midfield. Sounds like a good mix of central midfielders. Then theres Modric or Kranjcar who can come infield. So it would give us another option. And i think we need another more defensive minded central midfielder, so he sounds ideal.
 

james82mckay

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Thanks for that, good report. Sounds like a very promising young player. if he's as good as you say I would love us to get him, not only to play alongside Palacios but also as cover. I do worry that when palacios get injured or inevitable suspended we have no real like for like cover and he is key to the way we play a the moment.
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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He isn't really like for like with Palacios. He played far deeper than I have ever seen Palacios (who gets up and down pretty well) play. He isn't a swarmer or as physical as Palacios either, but he's definitely defensive
 

al_pacino

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The lack of creativity could be a worry but i'm sure that can be "coached" back into him.Tim Vickery is constantly talking about the lack of creative spark in the the Brazilian midfield mainly due, as you mentioned, the very attacking nature of fullbacks in Brazil. If he becomes part of our team i'm sure he'll display a far more rounded game because he wont have to worry too much where our defenders are.
 

MrWoolley

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Excellent post. I didn't know anything about this lad so this was very helpful. Reckon he's worth a gamble then IOMLS?
 

Shanks

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Lack of creativity doesn't matter from that position anymore, as we are set up completely different as a team.

Almost a team of two sides - defence - Keeper, back four, with Palacios and One other midfielder, then the attacking side, of Modric, Lennon and two forwards.

Full backs bombing forward to assist, with the two holding midfielders helping out for cover, with one allowed to roam.

I guess the only two teams who seem to play this way, are Chelsea and Liverpool, with the two defense minded midfielders bossing the middle, and let the class unfold at the top fo the pitch.
 

leetotty

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Is he really going to be an ideal foil for Palacios? For me one of if not both of the centre midfielders has to be able to pose a goal threat, I'm not sure palacios is capable of that. For me we need to be getting goals from midfield and to have Sandro and palacios could well be too defensive. I would love to have Modric in the middle, maybe Sandro will finally allow that to happen.

Thanks for the insight of Sandro...
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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Excellent post. I didn't know anything about this lad so this was very helpful. Reckon he's worth a gamble then IOMLS?

Well he looked absolutely stellar defensively and at the age of 20 that probably is pretty rare. He has the size to do well in the Premiership too. I think he'd be worth a gamble, but will definitely try to keep an eye out for more Inter games as 60 minutes of football isn't really a fair way to judge a player despite his qualities and style of play being evident.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Very good summary.

As good as Palacios has been, I actually think we can get more out of him, and this sort of deep sitting player may be the guy to help us do that. Palacios is at his most useful, for me, when he wins the ball high up on the pitch, because that means our forward players are already forward and we can attack quickly. However, neither Jenas nor Huddlestone can be described as out and out anchormen, whereas this guy sounds just like that.

I don't think pairing him with Wilson would be detrimental to our creativity. If anything it might enhance it, because by allowing Wilson to spend more time further up the pitch, it would in turn allow Modric and Lennon to spend time further up the pitch. Add to this the fact that, though erratic on occasion, Palacios actually quite likes to try a through ball, dribble and long shot, and I think (and have changed my mind from my earlier views) that having a deep lying player next to Palacios may well be the way forward.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Lack of creativity doesn't matter from that position anymore, as we are set up completely different as a team.

Almost a team of two sides - defence - Keeper, back four, with Palacios and One other midfielder, then the attacking side, of Modric, Lennon and two forwards.

Full backs bombing forward to assist, with the two holding midfielders helping out for cover, with one allowed to roam.

I guess the only two teams who seem to play this way, are Chelsea and Liverpool, with the two defense minded midfielders bossing the middle, and let the class unfold at the top fo the pitch.

If anything, the reason why Chelsea can get away with fullbacks like Cole and Bosingwa, who are effectively wingers, is because of the solidity in central midfield. Thinking more long term, Bale and Naughton, who are more attack minded than Ekotto and Corluka, should eventually be our fullbacks. We could very well mould into a team that looks a bit like this 2 years from now if we brought in a player who plays as Sandro is described by IOMLS:

Gomes
Naugton King* Bassong Bale
Palacios Sandro Modric
Lennon__________________
Defoe Crouch​

not a million miles away from
Cech
Bosingwa Carvalho Terry Cole
Essien Ballack Lampard​
Malouda__________________
Anelka Drogba​

That Chelsea side is currently playing the most expansive football I've seen from them since Vialli was manager, so the solidity of the centre may well actually enhance the attacking and creative options rather than take away from them.




* substitute King for Woodgate/ Dawson/ Corluka as you see fit depending on who you think will be our centre back in 3 years.​
 

WexfordTownSpur

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If anything, the reason why Chelsea can get away with fullbacks like Cole and Bosingwa, who are effectively wingers, is because of the solidity in central midfield. Thinking more long term, Bale and Naughton, who are more attack minded than Ekotto and Corluka, should eventually be our fullbacks. We could very well mould into a team that looks a bit like this 2 years from now if we brought in a player who plays as Sandro is described by IOMLS:

Gomes
Naugton King* Bassong Bale
Palacios Sandro Modric
Lennon__________________
Defoe Crouch​

not a million miles away from
Cech
Bosingwa Carvalho Terry Cole
Essien Ballack Lampard​
Malouda__________________
Anelka Drogba​

That Chelsea side is currently playing the most expansive football I've seen from them since Vialli was manager, so the solidity of the centre may well actually enhance the attacking and creative options rather than take away from them.




* substitute King for Woodgate/ Dawson/ Corluka as you see fit depending on who you think will be our centre back in 3 years.​
Agree to a point, as usual it looks good on paper - unfortunatly the real difference is in class and performance - Chelski perform week in week out - will Bale, Naughton, Sandro, Lennon, Defoe and crouch? We have always had great prospects (on paper) that is why we seem to get link with top 4 all the time, problem is, we are just not consistent enough, a lot of our players are either not proven, or have the experience of the Chelski team! Yes I know it is 3 years, but in 3 years, will Naughton, Bale or all of the names mentioned still be he, or still be considered prospects! I for one certainly hope so........but time will tell...one thing is for sure, it ain't this year! And without King, Woody, Modric, and "ANother" in the middle won't be!
 

DJS

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If we get him I'd be very happy.

Palacios has done a good job for us there but defensive midfield isn't his primary game and we are overworking him a bit - plus at Wigan he played alongside Cattermole (wish we'd got him although this Sandro sounds better anyways) who was an out and out defensive midfielder.

I think Palacios would show a different side to his game if allowed to roam forward a bit more, plus we wouldn't be so screwed if he got injured as Jenas, Huddlestone or O'Hara would be able to slot in and have someone defensively sound alongside them.
 

thfc1989

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If we get him I'd be very happy.

at Wigan he played alongside Cattermole (wish we'd got him although this Sandro sounds better anyways) quote]

Cattermole is the opitome of avereage, so finding someone who is better than him isn't that much of a challenge.
 

Dundalk_Spur

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The kind of player that would have helped us counter the Chelsea formation of last week??
 

nicdic

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If we get him I'd be very happy.

at Wigan he played alongside Cattermole (wish we'd got him although this Sandro sounds better anyways) quote]

Cattermole is the opitome of avereage, so finding someone who is better than him isn't that much of a challenge.

Rubbish, you're purely saying that because he is English and played at Wigan and now at Sunderland. He's a very good player.
 

worcestersauce

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I love your match reports IOLS feels like I've seen the match:)

Sounds the business.
 
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