Are there any Heurelho Gomes doubters left?

HodisGawd · Feb 23, 2010

Love the Gomes. Absolutely love him. And love singing his name.

He's shown so much character to come through what he has. Even now when I go to the pub some of my mates take the piss, but they are so, so wrong and I stick up for Gomes every time.

I never doubted his ability and I never stopped supporting him, but I have to admit I wasn't 100 per cent sure that he'd turn it around after such a bad start (I mean, that is pretty rare for a footballer). It would have been so much easier to just f-off, but he didn't.

Caboose · Feb 23, 2010

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
You ever watched Shay Given?

Don't get me wrong I love Gomes and I think he's the best goal keeper we've had in my life time but Given edges it form me.

I'd put Gomes and Given in the same bracket, along with Cech. Friedel (sp?) used to be there as did EvdS but both of them have dropped out of it for me.

But that bracket of Gomes, Given and Cech is below Reina for me, class quality goalkeeper, best in the league in my mind, no doubts about it.

Love Gomes and wouldn't want to swap him for Reina though because he is class and I just think he's a super swell guy!!

donny1013 · Feb 23, 2010

The Actim Index GK List so far for this season:
1 Petr Cech Chelsea 13 388
2 Brad Friedel Aston Villa 31 331
3 Jose Reina Liverpool 35 323
4 Mark Schwarzer Fulham 40 306
5 Joe Hart Birmingham 42 305
6 Shay Given Man City 44 303
7 Paul Robinson Blackburn 48 295
8 Manuel Almunia Arsenal 49 294
9 Tim Howard Everton 60 281
10 Brian Jensen Burnley 66 267

The first set of numbers if how they rate in the overall ratings in every position

Son_Of · Feb 23, 2010

the actim stats are not going to distinguish between easy saves and hard saves

StartingPrice · Feb 23, 2010

I am immensely proud to state that I was very vocal in never doubting even once The Octopus :-D

worcestersauce · Feb 23, 2010

donny1013 said:
The Actim Index GK List so far for this season:
1 Petr Cech Chelsea 13 388
2 Brad Friedel Aston Villa 31 331
3 Jose Reina Liverpool 35 323
4 Mark Schwarzer Fulham 40 306
5 Joe Hart Birmingham 42 305
6 Shay Given Man City 44 303
7 Paul Robinson Blackburn 48 295
8 Manuel Almunia Arsenal 49 294
9 Tim Howard Everton 60 281
10 Brian Jensen Burnley 66 267

The first set of numbers if how they rate in the overall ratings in every position

Is it, I wonder, that keepers are only marked on what they do so if a keeper does nothing of any note during a game because the opposition can't even muster shot on target he scores nothing for making any saves?

StartingPrice said:
I am immensely proud to state that I was very vocal in never doubting even once The Octopus :-D

Let's hope he get's into the top ten keepers for you then StartingPrice.

gibbs131 · Feb 23, 2010

I just want to say, when he had his worst period, I was still backing him. I also like how he wears his heart on his sleeve. No poker face for ole Gomes.

donny1013 · Feb 23, 2010

worcestersauce said:
Is it, I wonder, that keepers are only marked on what they do so if a keeper does nothing of any note during a game because the opposition can't even muster shot on target he scores nothing for making any saves?

Let's hope he get's into the top ten keepers for you then StartingPrice.

PA Sport gathers match data for every Barclays Premier League and Coca-Cola Championship match. The data is gathered by two methods - real-time match analysis and the study of video footage. The real-time analysis is conducted by ex-professional footballers who report on action at the grounds, as it happens. Further, more detailed analysis is obtained by studying videos of the matches and collecting more intense data.

As a side note, Charlie is number 9 in defenders and JD is 6 in Strikers.

archiewasking · Feb 23, 2010

Kendall said:
BBC text said it best when he fumbled against Wigan... "that was like rolling the clock back 18 months"

To me that speaks volumes. Having to roll the clock back that far to find a similar clanger (and he recovered pretty well on Sunday) shows how consistently fine the mighty HG is.

mattdefoe · Feb 23, 2010

i always doubt brazilian keepers. I still think his distribution is poor and i really like chris kirkland. But he has recovered so well and has a great character it would be incredibilly hard to knit pick.

StartingPrice · Feb 23, 2010

worcestersauce said:
Is it, I wonder, that keepers are only marked on what they do so if a keeper does nothing of any note during a game because the opposition can't even muster shot on target he scores nothing for making any saves?

Let's hope he get's into the top ten keepers for you then StartingPrice.

Dear Mr. Sauce. You are right. These ratings are a bit silly. 'Keeper can't do anything if ther eis nothing to do. Also, would have thought that the fact that he has kept so many clean sheets may have something to do with his assessment as a 'keeper.

Also, I have no interest in his 'Top Ten' standing, as long as he continues to clearly be a top, top 'keeper (to borrow 'Arry speak:grin

I really don't give a monkeys:beer:

TheWaddler · Feb 23, 2010

Gomes' actual ability and the media perception of him are poles apart thankfully. He is a much better keeper than he is given credit for, and I prefer him to Blobbo. However, he isn't perfect, his kicking and general distribution is poor (the best part of Blobbo's game) and how can I put this... he's a bit of a wimp IMO. He requires lengthy treatment for some really innocuous things, and has according to Harry had to be convinced to re-take the field at half-time when picking up a knock in the first half (as well as being subbed in games as well).

However they are minor things and he's won me over after a shaky start. :up:

camaj · Feb 23, 2010

I still don't know why he got so much stick when he first came, he dropped the ball a few times but didn't make any major mistakes. I think people were just so nervous they thought those tiny mistakes were calamities

Luka Lennon · Feb 23, 2010

TheWaddler said:
Gomes' actual ability and the media perception of him are poles apart thankfully. He is a much better keeper than he is given credit for, and I prefer him to Blobbo. However, he isn't perfect, his kicking and general distribution is poor (the best part of Blobbo's game) and how can I put this... he's a bit of a wimp IMO. He requires lengthy treatment for some really innocuous things, and has according to Harry had to be convinced to re-take the field at half-time when picking up a knock in the first half (as well as being subbed in games as well).

However they are minor things and he's won me over after a shaky start. :up:

I think that's way off the mark. His general distribution is great as most of the time he throws it out and starts off a quick break. His kicking has also came on leaps and bounds it's just the fact we have very few players capable of winning headers down field. Crouch aside it's usually abunch of midgets and Thudd who's also crap in the air.

TheWaddler · Feb 23, 2010

Luka Lennon said:
I think that's way off the mark. His general distribution is great as most of the time he throws it out and starts off a quick break. His kicking has also came on leaps and bounds it's just the fact we have very few players capable of winning headers down field. Crouch aside it's usually abunch of midgets and Thudd who's also crap in the air.

Often his quick throws go awry and put pressure on the receiving player who wasn't best placed for the pass/throw. This doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen more than with other keepers. Hence IMO I would regard it as poor.

His floor kicking is very weak, there was one on Sunday against Wigan that didn't even make it to the centre circle. Out of hand is OK and reasonably accurate.

As I said, fairly minor things.

ealingspur · Feb 23, 2010

camaj said:
I still don't know why he got so much stick when he first came, he dropped the ball a few times but didn't make any major mistakes. I think people were just so nervous they thought those tiny mistakes were calamities

fulham away, villa home. pretty bad mistakes.

But i have to say i loved him from day one, never once doubted him, everyone makes mistakes, a man learns from them.

Luka Lennon · Feb 23, 2010

TheWaddler said:
Often his quick throws go awry and put pressure on the receiving player who wasn't best placed for the pass/throw. This doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen more than with other keepers. Hence IMO I would regard it as poor.

His floor kicking is very weak, there was one on Sunday against Wigan that didn't even make it to the centre circle. Out of hand is OK and reasonably accurate.

As I said, fairly minor things.

pretty much disagree with all of that and also distribution from a keeper isn't minor it's fairly important in keeping possesion but anyway we're obviously not going to see eye to eye so nuff said

camaj · Feb 23, 2010

ealingspur said:
fulham away, villa home. pretty bad mistakes.

Don't remember Villa but at Fulham the ball just seemed to hit him akwardly. He could have done better but it wasn't down to poor decision making as you might see with David James for example.

The Apprentice · Feb 23, 2010

He's even cut down on the feigning of injury.

Particularly enjoyed his bout of it last year, when he grazed his hand and stood on the pitch seeming to be balling his eyes out.

Keeper wise - he's decent.

walworthyid · Feb 23, 2010

The Apprentice said:
He's even cut down on the feigning of injury.

Particularly enjoyed his bout of it last year, when he grazed his hand and stood on the pitch seeming to be balling his eyes out.

Keeper wise - he's decent.

Decent?

A keeper who has made MANY outstanding saves this season and who's mistakes in the same period can be counted on one hand? What would you call a GOOD or even EXCELLENT keeper?

The love child of Gordon Banks and Neville Southall?

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