It's official - I'm fed up with Harry.

alamo · Sep 26, 2010

I can kinda see your point but the players have to shoulder some of the blame. The manager can only put out a team it's then up to them to perform.

I honestly can't question many of his selections other than the Carling Cup teams.

Anyhow, well written and good debate material :up:

Lilbaz · Sep 26, 2010

2bearis2do said:
Thanks for the responses.
Please note - at no point do I say sack Harry, nor do I even entertain the idea. To do so would be foolish and he has fully deserved his chance to steer this talented squad to glory. The point about my thoughts is simply that I am fed up with what appears to be a clueless start to the season and Harry doesn't seem to be getting any wiser at this point in time.
If those knee jerkers who do not wish to debate the issue but simply respond with sarcastic shouts of ¨yeah sack the manager¨ would actually read the words and think about a measured response about what Harry can do and how he can improve, then we would all be singing from the same song sheet.

Saying that he is clueless and a fish out of water at this level, is basically saying he's not good enough to be managing us at this level. You can't have it both ways, he's either good enough for us or you want someone else.
If you had simply said "I think Harry got his tactics wrong or his team selection wrong... I'd have preferred to go for blah blah blah" no-one would have a problem and you wouldn't have got the sarcy comments.

Maske2g · Sep 26, 2010

Very good, until you mentioned 3-5-2 a tried and failed formation in England, very good on Champ 2001.....

Jaispurs · Sep 26, 2010

This is so laughable its just not worth commenting on.
Apart from the 1st 30 mins we controlled the game and had numerous chances to equalise and should have. The whole 2nd half was played in Spammers half of the pitch and Hudd should have scored after rounding Green and Keane should have done so much better. Yes they were always going to hit us on the break but it was a London derby and they got the 1st goal which was so important.
FFS its not the end of the world. We are 3 points behind 3rd. Not one of the champions league teams won this weekend. Everyone is thinking about the Champs league. If Gallas or Kaboul or Dawson or King were playing then we would not have conceded that goal. If Benny was on the pitch he would have been protecting that post (where was Bale or Lennon ????)
It was a stupid goal to concede but thats it.
I would like the OP to come back to this ridiculous article at the end of the season.
Yes we were all disapponted yesterday but if you watched the whole game you would have seen who was the better if not equal team

Kingstheman · Sep 26, 2010

This was always going to be a hard season for us and we were always going to start this season slowly.

chico · Sep 26, 2010

Agree that it's mainly injuries costing us , and key (fit) players in poor form. We need to get behind the team and the manager. Arry's only BIG mistake was to rest Ledders, when the Prem is all important, and the CL is a sideshow. Top 4 again = keeping Bale and Modric etc, 5th and below means they will more than likely naff off to a team who is in the CL 2011/12. We've made the group stages , got the cash, but we have no chance of winning it, therefore Arry should of played Ledders vs Pikeys and C orluka on Wednesday. We will get stronger when the injured return, maenwhile we must stay in touch with the top 4.

Stoof · Sep 26, 2010

I'll read this again after we've actually played a serious amount of games and have settled down. It's honestly far too early for some of this.

Some of the football we've played this year has been the best I've seen. That first half at City, that first half in Bremen, the come-back against Wolves, the well-held victory at Stoke. These are all positives.

The squad is having to cope with the pressure of having something to lose, where it's never had that before. The Sky adverts state that we're a Champions League club, and we have to earn the right to be one of those clubs again. This is pressure like we've never had it.

Are the fans cracking too? Let's give it some more time shall we, then we can question managers with 20+ years experience.

Sendero · Sep 26, 2010

What a cr*p kneejerk article , does this bloke know where we were when Sir Harold took over??? Bad luck with Defoe and every central defender we have is causing the problem...hardly Sir Harold's management

2bearis2do · Sep 26, 2010

Sendero said:
What a cr*p kneejerk article , does this bloke know where we were when Sir Harold took over??? Bad luck with Defoe and every central defender we have is causing the problem...hardly Sir Harold's management

We were only in the dump when Harry arrived because of the Ramos situation. Prior to that we were doing rather nicely. And not much has changed since then, if you ignore the Ramos variable. Same set of players, same question - Can we step up?
The point which you and many others fail to see because of the good job he has done up until now is why are we playing so poorly at the moment? What is Harry not doing right? Why can't we score goals?
We're 10 games into the season.
Won 3 Drawn 3 Lost 4
It ain't a great start and there are some pretty obvious selection problems at the moment. Harry quite obviously hasn't cracked it, yet, this season and is making some startling errors of judgement.
Injuries aside, we're not functioning and weren't even before Defoe and Daws got injured. So it's not knee jerk, it's just simple observations which are worth a debate and he certainly hasn't earnt his knighthood yet.

2bearis2do · Sep 26, 2010

Jaispurs said:
This is so laughable its just not worth commenting on.
Apart from the 1st 30 mins we controlled the game and had numerous chances to equalise and should have. The whole 2nd half was played in Spammers half of the pitch and Hudd should have scored after rounding Green and Keane should have done so much better. Yes they were always going to hit us on the break but it was a London derby and they got the 1st goal which was so important.
FFS its not the end of the world. We are 3 points behind 3rd. Not one of the champions league teams won this weekend. Everyone is thinking about the Champs league. If Gallas or Kaboul or Dawson or King were playing then we would not have conceded that goal. If Benny was on the pitch he would have been protecting that post (where was Bale or Lennon ????)
It was a stupid goal to concede but thats it.
I would like the OP to come back to this ridiculous article at the end of the season.
Yes we were all disapponted yesterday but if you watched the whole game you would have seen who was the better if not equal team

You shouldn't have bothered commenting on it then?!
I like many others on here, since yesterday, wonder what game those who say we played well (including Harry) were actually at? We were pish poor IMO and not for the first time this season.
The idea is to generate debate and if my opinion has stirred you into thinking about a response then job done. But you can't go living in the world of what ifs, that's just hypothetical nonsense.

Gaz_Gammon · Sep 26, 2010

This must be some kind of joke?

A few shit results and suddenly harry is clueless? WTF? It's September for christs sake and we've been ridled with injuries.

...I wish people weren't so fickle, have you forgotten what he's achieved the last two seasons? Did you seriously think it was ever going to be an easy ride this season?

Agree 100%. I guess those now giving Harry stick feel we should have stuck with Ramos, and instead of playing Inter in a few weeks we would have been playing at the likes of Millwall and Coventry!

2bearis2do · Sep 26, 2010

Gaz_Gammon said:
Agree 100%. I guess those now giving Harry stick feel we should have stuck with Ramos, and instead of playing Inter in a few weeks we would have been playing at the likes of Millwall and Coventry!

Bad guess Gaz.

I'm guessing you're one of those who thinks playing Charlie at centre back, Bale at left back and Crouch on his own up front should have guaranteed us 3 points?!
Whatever Harry does he can't do no wrong. Sir Harold and all that. :bang:

Matthew Wyatt · Sep 26, 2010

I stopped reading when I got to "his little barrow-boy mind". Ad hominems and knee-jerks. Move along...

Jonesey · Sep 26, 2010

tttcowan said:
This must be some kind of joke?

A few shit results and suddenly harry is clueless? WTF? It's September for christs sake and we've been ridled with injuries.

...I wish people weren't so fickle, have you forgotten what he's achieved the last two seasons? Did you seriously think it was ever going to be an easy ride this season?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tZ6AleCouk

Keep the faith!!! COYS

I don't know who was responsible for the You Tube clip you've linked to here but it's absolutely amazing. Nice recommendation. Everyone on this site should watch it.

However it should come with a warning: it's a stark reminder of how good we can be ... and how short we are falling right now.

Agree it's not quite time to hit the panic button just yet and that talk of Harry not being u for it/up to it is premature - BUT agree that perhaps it's time for some of our senior players to step up. There were too many under-pars for me on Sat.

Now, is there any way we can get the players to watch this link before every game?

Yidownunder · Sep 27, 2010

We have a slow start to the season and idiots start pointing calling for the mans head. Last season was a biggest acheveiment in 40 years, you would have been telling everyone Harry was a god 2 months ago!!!

Facts are players are not performing, How can you blame Harry for Lennon, Corluka, Keane, Pav & Placious's form. How can you blame Harry for INjuries to 5 first team centre backs and a worldclass keeper?

Your team with Bale as 1 of 3 centre backs is just a joke and explains who we are dealing with here.

It's early days, lets just chill the fcuk out and SUPPORT our club.

spurs_viola · Sep 27, 2010

Sendero said:
What a cr*p kneejerk article , does this bloke know where we were when Sir Harold took over??? Bad luck with Defoe and every central defender we have is causing the problem...hardly Sir Harold's management

Get a grip, you sound like some Massa's little lackey there...

I wonder how many points would Sir Harold have got in the circumstances at the start of that season, with lost again Bent and Man U youth reserve as the only 2 real strikers, self-centred Bentley playing crap and stirring up shit behind the scenes, King fresh from nightclub scandal and still not fit/sharp enough, Modric and Gomes just starting in EPL, Corluka having just arrived and all of them trying to settle in, the whole team trying to come to terms with losing captain Keane and Berbatov and with the new faces/system (as Ramos was forced to play 4-5-1 more than he may have wanted because of lack of forwards until late September when Pav came in after injury) and the players not responding to what the manager was trying to do.

I would dare guess he would not have been so smug about bleating on and on about "2 points from 8 games and look where I took the team", fooling those who did not want to consider all those circumstances.

However, despite all of that, I also think we must see how things will develop and give Harry more time and more chance to bring more organisation and balance into the way our team is performing. The kind of chance that was not afforded to Ramos. The kind of chance that Harry does not afford certain players out of his favour but is all too ready to give players he does favour (Crouch being the prime example).

Henry Percy · Sep 27, 2010

I do think Harry has made a lot of mistakes at the start of this season. VDV coming in late and trying to find where he best plays along with Dawson and Defoe getting injured has really confused things. I don't blame Harry for trying out different formations etc we have all been crying out for it. Plus this is Harry's first stab at the CL too, so he made a mistake at YBs learnt and adjusted, he also put his hand up for the following PL game. I think it is only fair to give him a chance to learn from this process. SAF, Wnger et al have all been in this position before so they know what to do while this is new for Harry. What we need to do is keep taking steps forward and while this is possibly the best Spurs squad I have seen in a long long time it is still forming.

pistolP · Sep 27, 2010

Yidownunder said:
We have a slow start to the season and idiots start pointing calling for the mans head. Last season was a biggest acheveiment in 40 years, you would have been telling everyone Harry was a god 2 months ago!!!

Facts are players are not performing, How can you blame Harry for Lennon, Corluka, Keane, Pav & Placious's form. How can you blame Harry for INjuries to 5 first team centre backs and a worldclass keeper?

Your team with Bale as 1 of 3 centre backs is just a joke and explains who we are dealing with here.

It's early days, lets just chill the fcuk out and SUPPORT our club.

I think you will find that we had our biggest archievement in the past 40 years in 80's.

2bearis2do · Sep 27, 2010

Yidownunder said:
We have a slow start to the season and idiots start pointing calling for the mans head. Last season was a biggest acheveiment in 40 years, you would have been telling everyone Harry was a god 2 months ago!!!

Facts are players are not performing, How can you blame Harry for Lennon, Corluka, Keane, Pav & Placious's form. How can you blame Harry for INjuries to 5 first team centre backs and a worldclass keeper?

Your team with Bale as 1 of 3 centre backs is just a joke and explains who we are dealing with here.

It's early days, lets just chill the fcuk out and SUPPORT our club.

It's a debate?!?!:bang:
You're a newbie and not used to discussion. If you read the thread, you'll learn that I do indeed support Harry, but not his current selection strategy. So take that chill pill yourself.
And my suggested line up has Bale as a wing back you muppet. :bang:

Shirtfront · Sep 27, 2010

Interesting line up. BAE playing as a centre half? Playing two centre halves who are currently injured?

If you are going to post your champ man side as part of a front page Article slating a manager, at least work with what 'arry has got; not what you would like.

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